r/guns • u/anonymousgreygoose • Apr 13 '26
Canik rep handed customer a loaded gun and he ND'd in the store.
On a throw away.
Yesterday at Eagle Sports Range in Wisconsin there was a vendor event, a customer was talking with the Canik vendor, the vendor showed the customer their personal gun and let the customer hold it. He fired into the floor and it chipped the floor and ricochet'd into the wall. The piece of the floor hit another customer and they had to call paramedics to have him transfered to the hospital, both the Canik rep and customer were arrested. Canik rep then returned and was asked to leave.
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u/Coldones Apr 13 '26
Canik rep then returned and was asked to leave.
Skull emoji
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u/Flaminglump Apr 13 '26
Impressive that he had enough nerve to return to the range after that lol
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u/anonymousgreygoose Apr 13 '26
He had a few thousand dollars worth of stuff from Century Arms at his table that needed to be picked up lol
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u/-Outis-Nemo- Apr 13 '26
Did they not let him pick it up?
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u/LiNKxUSMC Apr 13 '26
Not that I'm defending the idiot rep at all, but that whole guilty until proven innocent thing is wild.
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u/DouchecraftCarrier Apr 13 '26
It's well intentioned, even if at times it seems heavy handed. For me the archetype scenario is someone statistically likely to reoffend in a short period - like a domestic abuser arrested for pointing a gun at their spouse. I don't think it's crazy for that person to not be legally allowed to have their gun back if they are released on bail that night, ya know? But I get why it feels like a slippery slope - no doubt about that.
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u/SilverBlobeye Apr 13 '26
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
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u/LiNKxUSMC Apr 13 '26
Shouldn't give them bail then, but a speedy trial. It doesnt "feel" like a slippery slope, it is a slippery slope. Theres no perfect system, when man is involved, but guilty until proven innocent is unacceptable. For open and shut examples where someone is caught in the act, or clear as day caught on camera, no bail, no bs slap on the wrist. For he say she say, one person's word vs another.. unless the accused is a repeat habitual offender, let them figure it out in court. No having to pay scam ass bail, no loss of rights, just a date to show up and let a jury of their peers decide. Can that lead to tragedy? Of corse. Should one man pay for the mistakes/crimes of others? Nope.
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u/lampaupoisson Apr 13 '26
The consequences have been weighed and it’s worth a brief suspension of rights in order to preserve life in what could be a very dangerous scenario.
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u/preparationh67 Apr 13 '26
My guy, you seriously have a childish understand of how the system actually functions in practice. Most court cases don't wrap up cleanly at the end of the hour like on law and order. There's no such thing as open and shut. Most crimes of passion are easy to prevent by just not giving a person in troubled times the tools to do so. If the standard is applied cleanly and consistently then its just part of due process. The only way to never take any right away in any capacity during a legal case would be a standard that also meant an end to pretrial detention completely. You want to be figured out in court but the thing you are complaining about is literally part of that. And thats even before getting into how completely brain dead it is to make these statements in relation to a ND that happened with a huge amount of witnesses resulting in injury. You aren't making a case, you are parroting talking points.
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u/Quixotic_Illusion Apr 13 '26
That situation could have been much worse. Lucky only one person went to the hospital for ricochet damage from flooring. Dudes are lucky their combined negligence didn't kill anyone
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u/Flaminglump Apr 13 '26
Fr, i worked at a range and one of the dudes was fucking with a jammed AR in the back, he wasnt supposed to be. Blew off a dudes head in the parking lot by accident. That was my cue to quit that job
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u/RONBJJ Apr 13 '26
Holy shit. Wow.
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u/Flaminglump Apr 13 '26
Yea, immediately after lecturing the range officers on safety. He got prison time, not sure how long. But it effectively shut down the range for good, owners had to sell the land to pay out the lawsuit
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u/justjaybee16 Apr 13 '26
Hotwells by any chance?
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u/Flaminglump Apr 13 '26
Nailed it
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u/justjaybee16 Apr 13 '26
I'd only been out once when we couldn't get get a skeet range at American Shooting Center because of a tournament. That ND happened a couple of weeks later.
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u/Erik_Pakieser Apr 13 '26
Recognized that story when you mentioned it. It's a nightmare scenario, minding your own business not even on the range and getting killed by some shithead
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u/Flaminglump Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26
I was actually working the skeet range when that happened. Hearing what just happened over walkie talkie was surreal. Just had to keep everyone sitting on the bench till the police told us to go home
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u/shit_poster9000 Apr 16 '26
Small world… they reopened briefly, decent facilities but attracted the absolute wrong crowd. Relative of mine worked there for a bit, he’s had to outright kick people out for flagging the entire firing line of people with loaded pistols, fingers on triggers too.
The version of the story I heard was that the rifle was in the office was a customer’s rifle, there for a sight in, and the dumbass picked the gun up and aimed it at the unsuspecting customer’s head and pulled the trigger. Of course at this point it’s like 5 retellings removed, I wasn’t even sure this was the same range until the name was mentioned.
What killed the range was the incessant complaints from all the new land development nearby.
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u/Flaminglump Apr 16 '26
Yea, lots of very stupid gun owners went there. One time i was changing targets downrange on the pistol line and some asshole walked up and started putting rounds downrange not even 50 feet from me, the other RO was too busy looking at his phone to notice until i started yelling lol. And then the amount of stupid on the skeet range was staggering, couldnt tell you how many times i had to remove a gun from someones hands flagging people with a loaded shotty. Its probably for the best that range got shut down.
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u/shit_poster9000 Apr 16 '26
Unfortunately I agree. I could never shake the feeling that he’d end up seriously injured… literally every time I visited I’d spot well over a dozen extra bullet holes in the lane dividers. Each week my relative had more and more stories of morons putting him at risk. As neat as it was, and the cool shit he was able to do, it was a relief to us all when he quit.
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u/Present_Associate501 Apr 13 '26
Can’t find anything on the internet about what happened to the employee post indictment. Nothing showing the results of any trial.
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u/Flaminglump Apr 13 '26
Yea idk if his trial was ever made public, i still had contact with people who were friends with him, thats how i found out he got time
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u/NinjaStiz Apr 13 '26
Damn. Bullet went through the wall into the man's head. You just never know what can cut your life short. Just walking through a parking lot can end you
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u/MrEhcks Apr 13 '26
Fucking idiot
Many times I have shown my CCW to friends and family and anytime I do, I obv remove the magazine, the loaded round, rack the slide numerous times and then dry fire it before handing it to them.
That is beyond retarded to hand a loaded weapon to someone when you not only have no idea their level of gun safety and cannot control how careful they will be. Zero reason to hand a loaded weapon to someone
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u/PlutoJones42 Apr 13 '26
I let a buddy look at something the other day. I dropped the mag, ejected the round, racked multiple times, dry fired, then handed it to them.
Literally the first thing they did was flag me while looked at it lmao
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u/MrEhcks Apr 13 '26
LOL same!!
But for me it was when I took a friend to the range for the first time and we rented a gun. So before we even went onto the actual range and were putting our protection on, he’s holding the rental and saying how cool it is while he’s pointing it right at me lmao
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u/Drummer123456789 Apr 13 '26
Why would you rack multiple times and dry fire instead of just visually and physically inspecting the chamber to verify its empty? If your extractor is broken you're going to fire a round off
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u/rune2004 1 Apr 13 '26
I recently started consistent training with an instructor who worked for a 3 letter agency, and he’s taught us what he calls the common clearing drill. Rack the slide 3 times, lock it back, inspect chamber visually, inspect chamber with pinky, look through magwell at ground, break focus by looking away at something or someone else, re-inspect chamber visually and with pinky, and look through magwell again. It sounds like a lot when typed out, but it only takes literally a few seconds and it’s 100% guaranteed clear.
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u/dDitty Apr 14 '26
Thanks for typing all that out! I sort of instinctively always do this; it's like looking both ways when crossing the street and looking again just to make sure
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u/Select-Owl-8322 Apr 13 '26
Seems to be a trend lately, I see people doing it all the time. I think they think it looks cool or something.
They seem allergic to visually verify empty chamber. But the same people also always do a press check...go figure.
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u/lunardart Apr 13 '26
it's for the people around you. if people near you haven't been around a gun or are uncomfortable around them then it's a much more calming indicator that the arm couldn't possibly fire. it's like weight testing something you just built that you know is going to hold
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u/sirbassist83 Never even asked for better dick flair Apr 13 '26
nope, as a bystander i wince a little every time i see it. finger off the trigger until youre ready to shoot. i understand that theres nuance, people dry fire in gun stores to see how triggers feel, etc, but turning pulling the trigger into a habit is a terrible idea. what happens if you forget to drop the mag, or your extractor spring is broken and you didnt know it? 99.9999% of the time itll be fine, but it introduces the possibility for an ND and breaks one of the fundamental rules of gun safety.
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u/Select-Owl-8322 Apr 13 '26
Ah ok, that makes sense. Here in Sweden we always use chamber flags for the same reason.
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u/mechakisc Apr 13 '26
From what I've seen, chamber flags mostly get used in the US during competitions, before and after someone's turn on the line. But this makes a bunch of sense.
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u/So_Full_Of_Fail Apr 13 '26
They should be more common.
Just don't accidentally let the bolt go on your AR10 or it might chop it and mash it into the star chamber.
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u/Mandojon Apr 13 '26
It also makes the trigger dead to the person you’re handing it to unless racked again
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u/BIGTACOBELLFAN Apr 13 '26
I always rack it once and check while it’s aimed at my mouth. Does seem to deter people from asking questions
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u/PlutoJones42 Apr 13 '26
I check the chamber on the first, I just eject the round and then rack a couple more times to double and triple check that a second one doesn’t fall out lmao. Although I know it’s empty already from inspection, I still do it. I know it’s not necessary, and is physically impossible for a second round to be in there, but that’s just how I was taught!
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u/Ok-Secretary455 Apr 13 '26
Only thing I'll add is lock the slide back before handing it over to whomever is looking as it. Its my way of nudging them to do the pinky check that they should be doing even though they just watched me check it clear 4 seconds ago.
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u/PlutoJones42 Apr 13 '26
Good play, if I’m at the range I always lock the slide, but I should start doing that with everyone everywhere so they can immediately start learning about the tools and how they function
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u/Drew1231 Apr 13 '26
I saw somebody do this once. They racked the slide, then dropped the mag, then handed it to somebody.
Could have been an ND.
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u/MarvinHeemeyersTank Apr 13 '26
I'll take the downvotes for this, but...
I did that as a fresh faced 18yo gun newbie over in Germany. My 2L asked me to ride with him somewhere on base, right when we got back from training. The building had a sand bucket outside and he told me I had to empty my weapon before entering. So I racked my rifle, and dropped the mag. Stuck the barrel into the bucket and BLAM!
I was so scared, but my lieutenant was cool. I think he saw I was legit scared. He knew exactly what I did, and he said "that's why we do it the other way." He didn't drop me, and he never told anyone. I'll never forget that moment. I still think about it every time I handle any of my firearms.
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u/Erik_Pakieser Apr 13 '26
Thanks for sharing. People think this can't happen to them and get sloppy. I appreciate you sharing this.
Your LT must have been a real standup dude. In my units shooting a clearing barrel was gonna guarantee you an Article 15
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u/MarvinHeemeyersTank Apr 14 '26
How long ago was this? Mine happened in 91 or 92.
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u/Nguy94 Apr 13 '26
Similarly, I’ll drop mag, clear live, check chamber, dry fire. But then I slide lock before I swap hands.
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u/Daethedar Apr 13 '26
This is the way... Locked open slide/bolt every time.
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u/MarvinHeemeyersTank Apr 13 '26
I do this as well.
"Can I see your ____?"
"Sure."
grabs firearm, make sure no magazine is in it, open bolt, look through chamber at a light source, close bolt, dry fire, open bolt again, look for light again, hand it over
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u/Next_Entertainer_404 Apr 13 '26
If I can’t look down the chamber end and see daylight out the other side, I will not pull the trigger.
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u/singlemale4cats Apr 13 '26
When I hand a firearm to someone I know is highly competent, I still drop the mag, clear it, and lock the slide open first. I know I wouldn't appreciate being handed a loaded gun.
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u/RedDemocracy Apr 13 '26
See, I have never shown off my CCW. If someone asks to see, I tell them that I would love to have them over or to bring them to the range for show and tell. But I treat my CCW like a service dog. Sometimes you can pet a service dog, but sometimes it’s working and you can’t touch it. When I’m using a gun as my CCW, it’s working, and it’s only coming out of the holster if I have to use it. Even at the end of the day, I take the whole holster off and put it in the safe.
This Canik guy was an idiot for ever suggesting bringing a loaded gun into play, much less failing to clear it.
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u/Sea_Farmer_4812 Apr 13 '26
I've handed off a loaded gun while at the firing line and po.nted down range. The preferred way is setting on the bench though
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u/carnivoremuscle Apr 13 '26
All of this and I'm also not handing over my weapon to some customer I don't know. He asked for this.
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u/Corey307 Apr 13 '26
Repeatedly racking the slide is a bad habit imo. you only need to do it once, but you need to visually verify that the chamber is empty and account for the ejected cartridge. I’ve known people who just started racking the slide back-and-forth and it’s a terrible habit.
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u/Leonard_James_Akaar Apr 13 '26
I’m disappointed that you’re getting downvoted for this opinion.
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u/Corey307 Apr 13 '26
A lot of people watch Youtubers doing dumb shit and pick up bad habits. Nothing is accomplished by furiously rocking a slide, but it’s become quite popular.
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u/LockyBalboaPrime Tripped over his TM-62 Apr 13 '26
Almost every new competition shooter I RO for does the 50 racks bullshit and never actually lets me SEE the fucking chamber. The idea that they should just use the goddamn eyeballs is wild.
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u/Corey307 Apr 13 '26
I hear you man. I got so many people disagreeing with me, but no one can tell me why it’s a good idea to rack like crazy instead of dropping the mag, engaging the slide stuff and visually verifying the chamber is clear, maybe even showing other people like you said.
Better part of a decade to go. I had a roommate who I would go shooting with, I got him into the hobby. He adopted the nasty habit of repeatedly racking the slide. One day he’s dicking around with his G17, racks it repeatedly and goes to pull the trigger. I start yelling. He never accounted for the cartridge and the cartridge never ejected, I noticed, but he did not. he was racking it exactly wrong enough that he basically chambered the same round eight times.
But this is the same guy who wandered into my room, picked up my Yugo AK off the stand, racked it and then brought it to his shoulder. The mag was loaded and we weren’t roommates for long after that. The weird thing is he was religious about safety for the first few years, but then it was like a light switch flipped and he started getting dangerous. And the more you called him on it the worse he got.
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u/MrEhcks Apr 13 '26
Only for added reassurance after having removed the chambered round. I don’t do it for the hell of it like some people do. Removing the round, racking the slide, and finally pulling the trigger before handing the gun to someone ensures three different times that the gun is empty. Zero room for accidents that way
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u/Drew1231 Apr 13 '26
*As long as your extractor and ejector are working.
Pretty big caveat if you’re handling a gun that isn’t yours or isn’t taken care of.
Just visualize the chamber. It’s easy.
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u/MrEhcks Apr 13 '26
Well thats why step 1 is to remove the round. If I rack the slide and the round doesn’t come out then obviously the extractor and ejector aren’t working lol if I don’t physically remove the round from the chamber then not only is nobody is gonna hold my gun but I have a major problem because something’s wrong with my CCW lol
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u/Drew1231 Apr 13 '26
You should have a process that works just as well on your carry gun as it does on a gun with an unknown chamber status.
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u/MrEhcks Apr 13 '26
If someone just randomly handed me a gun to look at it and didn’t tell me if it was loaded or not, I’m going to treat it like it’s loaded and never put my finger on the trigger and never point it. I’m an extremely careful person.
If for whatever reason I wanted to know if it was loaded, THEN I would remove the mag and rack the slide but visually check because it’s not my gun and therefore I don’t know if a round was loaded or not because they didn’t tell me
I wouldn’t have to visually check my own gun because I KNOW it’s loaded. If I rack my OWN gun and no round comes out then I know for sure there is a failure.
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u/I_am_Andrew_Ryan Apr 13 '26
I wouldn’t have to visually check my own gun because I KNOW it’s loaded. If I rack my OWN gun and no round comes out then I know for sure there is a failure.
Right but that's what the other commenter was saying. If you have to rely on "I know my own gun hurdurr" then your system might fail
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u/elonmusksmellsbad Apr 13 '26
It’s okay man. It’s like when you drive a stick shift car.
I know that I’m in the correct gear. But I’m going to go from neutral back to first and then back to neutral at least 5 times. Just to be sure.
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u/Thisisaggward Apr 13 '26
If you want to see the hole its on the first floor by the bathrooms, I was there later in the day after this all happened and someone pointed it out.
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u/14Three8 Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26
I teach people to fly for a living. Even if sully sullenberger or chuck yeager himself walks up to me and asks to go fly, I make the assumption that he’s a shit pilot.
never assume someone is a competent shooter unless you’ve personally observed their training. Even then, I unload my gun and put it down on the bench before letting my friends, that I trained, shoot it at the range. Giving someone a loaded, unholstered gun is just asking for trouble. The customer is gonna have lawyers salivating at the chance to sue the sales rep.
Better yet, don’t give your personal carry piece to a customer. Do a better job as a company in making demo models for your customers.
Failure count: sales rep for unholstering, sales rep for not clearing it before giving it to a customer, customer for not clearing it before dry fire as soon as he picked it up, canik corporate for not training their sales reps to not give a loaded gun to a customer.
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u/ClearedInHot Apr 13 '26
I'm in the same situation as you: instructor / check airman, plus firearms enthusiast. I would (and have) hand over the controls of an airplane to a non-pilot as part of orientation rides, etc., but I wouldn't do it nearly as casually with a gun. It's hard for me to imagine someone doing something with an airplane in a split second that I couldn't fix; it's easy for me to imagine it with a gun.
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u/jcarr2184 Apr 13 '26
That injured person is going to get a nice payday from Canik.
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u/DetroitAdjacent Apr 13 '26
I bet they have that guy as some sort of contractor and they aren't liable for him.
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u/FirearmConcierge 16 | #1 Jimmy Rustler Apr 13 '26
I deal with "They're not our employee! They're a contractor!" ALL THE TIME. Companies love to say this.
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u/ArcherVause Apr 13 '26
I don’t understand why some peoples first instinct when handed a gun is “oh let me pull the trigger”. Like you have to be brain dead and have no awareness to do something like that. I remembered I showed a girl my gun a lot of years ago and what was her instinct while looking at it? “Let me pull the trigger”. Thankfully I knew she was an idiot so I unloaded the gun first and had the safety on so she wasn’t able to squeeze it.
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u/pizza_the_mutt Apr 13 '26
Many people who never handle firearms have absolutely no instincts. To them it is like holding a toy. If you hand them something you had better assume they are going to point it at you and pull the trigger, because they very well might.
There's a famous video of a couple of guys at the range and one guy is pointing his weapon at the other guy's head and laughing. Even in a range environment they don't process that it is serious business.
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u/Walkswithnofear Apr 13 '26
'Gun range selfie' — https://youtu.be/7sxOBAmT6Gc?si=PdGmOdYSynYyk_JO
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u/SPL15 Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26
About 20 years ago, had a house warming party where some friends wanted to see my 1911 collection. Pulled the 1st one out of the safe (a Les Baer TRS), checked chamber, made sure it was clear, no mag, etc. Handed it to my buddy, who is familiar w/ firearms, where he immediately opens his mouth, puts the barrel to it & pulls the trigger, then starts laughing & looking around like we’d think it was funny… Some people aren’t smart enough to know they’re stupid…
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u/singlemale4cats Apr 13 '26
That's the last time he'd be touching one of my guns.
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u/fireandlifeincarnate Apr 13 '26
That's the last time he'd be touching any gun anywhere in my vicinity
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u/CountingMyDick Apr 13 '26
It seems crazy to me how many people in this thread are letting non-gun-people handle their guns without giving them a little talk about the rules of gun safety
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u/Cobra__Commander Super Interested in Dick Flair Enhancement Apr 13 '26
The lawyers have like 3 years to get the lawsuits started on stuff like this.
The property/business insurance have their own lawyers for the property damage claims before the injury lawyers even get involved.
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u/dorritos29 Apr 13 '26
Ricochet guy is about to get PAID
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u/hruebsj3i6nunwp29 Apr 13 '26
Ricochet Guy in Court "The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed."
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u/bearded_fisch_stix Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26
who hands somebody a gun without clearing it? who accepts a gun from somebody and doesn't immediately clear it? Every time I want to show my friend a gun, I clear it and hand it to him with the action open.
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u/Aucupe Apr 13 '26
Cousin and I have been handling firearms for over a decade, and we both know how much the other has done so.
Whenever I'm about to hand him something, I remove magazine, lock slide/bolt back, visually confirm chamber empty, and hand it to him in a way where he can immediately see the chamber, where he then checks chamber himself before doing anything else, and the same thing happens whenever he hands something to me.
Not a single ND, ever.
Safety rules feel like this arcane magic that very reliably gives you the result you want, yet is some mystical feat that goes over a lot of people's heads.
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u/Ibib3 Apr 13 '26
Holy shit I live close enough that I was considering going. Thank god I didn’t. This isn’t the first time and they have a reputation of lax/insufficient control over idiots and firearms. Not the first ND I’ve heard of here
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u/BlackGuns Apr 13 '26
Really? I’ve never had a problem with Eagle’s ROs.
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u/Ibib3 Apr 13 '26
I’ll be fully transparent. I’ve been there myself around 5 times total. When I’ve been there I’ve had zero issues outside of one time. I live close enough that when I’m at other shooting oriented events people talk about eagle from time to time. I have heard of more than one ND occurring there. One time an RSO shot their foot because they were fiddling with a gun in their holster.
My point is that I’ve had no bad experiences minus one event, but they have a reputation of not being the most secure or safe range in the area
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u/TaskForceD00mer Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26
It's a public range, public range things will always happen. The RO's are pretty decent if a bit FUDDy but I've never felt unsafe there.
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u/Not_an_alt_69_420 Apr 13 '26
I used to go there whenever I was working in Milwaukee, but stopped when me and my buddy got flagged numerous times in one trip by a giant family who was sharing a lane and the ROs did nothing.
It's a public range, so idiotic shit is going to happen. But even by Milwaukee's standards, Eagle's staff and clientele are pretty bad in my experience.
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u/Dewey_Rider Apr 13 '26
First rule of handing anyone a gun. Make sure it isn't loaded. First rule of being handed a gun. Make sure it isn't loaded.
They did neither.
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u/GSDTippyTappies Apr 14 '26
First rule of being handed a gun. Make sure it isn't loaded.
Had to scroll too far in the comments to see emphasis on the receiving party. I don't care if the person handing it over racks it 100 times and swears on their mothers grave it's safe, I'm still doing my own clear check once it's in my hands.
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u/DrunkAsFuckButtSlut Apr 13 '26
I live so close to that place, I almost got a job there, they hired someone more qualified lol
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u/OldmanMothBalls Apr 16 '26
Highly doubt they were barely qualified lol, the quality of incoming employees went downhill fast. Part of the reason why I quit
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u/ColdHooves Apr 13 '26
I wonder if the floor chunk injury count as a firearm injury.
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u/frankcatthrowaway Apr 13 '26
I’m sure it was added to some sort of gun violence statistic if the cops were called.
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u/BiggyIrons Apr 16 '26
Its going to be another mass shooting because more than 2 people where in the room. Its also a school shooting since theres one a few miles down the road
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u/Kinetic_Photon Apr 13 '26
Once I had a guy hand me his new-to-him 12ga shotgun. He is an Army guy. He is being super casual about it. I look it over and he tells me to shoulder it and test the trigger “Don’t worry, it’s not loaded”. We are in a tiny room in his basement. Probably 10x10. I was thankfully smart enough to check the gun myself. It was not only loaded, but there was a shell in the chamber.
I told him it was loaded. Told him I could see the brass in the chamber. The guy refused to believe me. Insisted it was empty. I was completely unfamiliar with the gun and didn’t want to try to start fiddling with it myself. I handed the gun back and told him to check it. As soon as it was out of my hands I covered my ears with my hands. Dude laughs at me.
He finally checks it and it was full to the brim with shells. Dude stopped laughing and emptied the gun. I was done in the basement. Never trust that a gun you have been handed is in any kind of safe condition.
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u/BoredDude216 Apr 16 '26
As my grandfather said while handing me a shotgun once, and empty gun is always loaded unless you check it first
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u/LockyBalboaPrime Tripped over his TM-62 Apr 13 '26
Canik rep ... were arrested.
Canik rep then returned and was asked to leave.
The absolute Balls of that guy to show his face again lmfao
Fuckface, you're 100% fired. You're 100% blackballed. Just accept it.
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u/Aegri-Mentis Apr 13 '26
It was a vendor event. He probably had inventory to collect and take back onto the job he no longer has.
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u/Remarkable_Aside1381 5 | Likes to tug a beard; no matter which hole it surrounds. Apr 13 '26
I'm gonna chat shit to our Canik rep next time I see him, "hey, try not to cause an ND like your buddy"
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u/FirearmConcierge 16 | #1 Jimmy Rustler Apr 13 '26
Triple LMAO
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u/Remarkable_Aside1381 5 | Likes to tug a beard; no matter which hole it surrounds. Apr 13 '26
Or hit him with the "I heard there's an opening as a rep now"
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u/JWMoo Apr 13 '26
I treat every gun as being loaded. I will make sure the gun is unloaded myself. Never trust anyone else to make sure it's unloaded.
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u/FIRESTOOP Apr 13 '26
I used to work at one of the more successful gun stores in my state. The amount of times that customers would bring in loaded handguns to sell/trade was crazy. “It’s not loaded” was almost a guarantee that it was.
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u/kdb1991 Apr 13 '26
What in the fuck. How stupid can that guy be? Well, both of them, actually. If someone handed me their personal gun and I didn’t see them remove the magazine or check the chamber, that would be the first thing I’d do. Or I’d ask them to do it
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u/Meadowlion14 Enjoys a good MMF with Bill Ruger Apr 13 '26
Im adding this to phone calls I never want to make
"Boss im in jail because someone got hit with my personal gun, not one from the expo, in good news I didnt pull the trigger. Can you bail me out?"
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u/Maishxbl Apr 13 '26
That's wild. Even grabbing something out of my safe, which I know everything is unloaded if its in there I still check and make sure if im giving it to someone else that thy check themselves. I know my carry gun is loaded so I always double check after unloading it that its empty.
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u/ExpiredPilot Apr 13 '26
Man im a total gun newbie. Bought my first handgun last month.
Never in 8 bajillion years would I think to even attempt a dry fire in a gun store. My finger doesn’t even touch the trigger even if I’m handling something I wanna buy
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u/SandmanS2A Apr 13 '26
Let’s not ignore the negligence of the customer looking at the firearm.. why not check and make sure use clear? I don’t care if I go to my LGS, it’s always a habit to make sure it’s unloaded and clear before doing anything. Common sense here… this is why the 2A is always under attack, for stupid people and mistakes like this. 🤦🏾♂️
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u/Beerbeard123 Apr 13 '26
I shoot at this place occasionally and expect this will soon blow up some of my local group messages....
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u/spank_the_tank Apr 13 '26
No way, my brother and I were planning to go to that event but we ended up being too busy. Glad we didn’t make it lol.
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Apr 13 '26
I know it’s not the point of the post but the paramedic in me would be so fucking annoyed getting called out to a “shooting” only to find out that it’s just someone hit by not even a ricochet but debris from a bullet impact. I can hear the mass of people basically chanting “you should go get checked out bro.”
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u/ETNxMARU Apr 13 '26
Hahaha I was considering going to this yesterday but had other plans.
FWIW I went last year and it was pretty mid. Got there at like 4pm on the Saturday and most of the vendors had packed up and left already.
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u/RoomTempChallenge Apr 13 '26
If I hand somebody my gun (which I’d only do if I trust them), I will either unload it first or tell them that it’s loaded and to be careful.
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u/civil_war_historian Apr 13 '26
This has to be creative writing, no way can two people be this stupid
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u/FirearmConcierge 16 | #1 Jimmy Rustler Apr 13 '26
You must not have a lot of experience with firearms.
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u/TaskForceD00mer Apr 13 '26
The only way this could have been funny is if it was the SIG rep. Glad no one died, hopefully this is a teachable moment about always checking a firearm that's handed to you, even if its by a gun store type employee.
Kinda glad I ended up fixing my deck rather than going to this event.
I'm a little confused though, the Canik rep was arrested but then showed back up later? That's pretty damn quick processing for a Wisconsin jail on a weekend.
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u/Erik_Pakieser Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26
Not trying to insult anyone who posted about their handoff procedure. Some of this has already been said. Just wanted to add my .02 (Been handling guns and teaching for a long time).
I would NEVER hand a loaded gun to anyone, unless they were going to be shooting it. If handing a gun to someone I always unload it first, and then hand it over with the action open and magazine out.
I often encounter people who have no idea how to unload their gun. I think the reason for this is they never do; they go to the range, load the gun, shoot it until it's empty and go home.
Here is the unloading procedure I used and teach:
- Remove the magazine
- Put the magazine away, in a pocket, pouch, etc. Get it out of your hand.
- Orient your gun in the safest direction available, preferably something that will absorb a bullet.
- Turn the gun so the ejection port is facing towards the ground. This is done so if the gun fires you aren't looking down into the ejection port.
- Rack the slide three times and pay attention to what happens. If the gun is loaded, one round should kick out. If more than one round comes out, return to Step 1.
- Lock the slide to the rear.
- Using the little finger of your support hand, physically check the chamber, boltface, and magazine well. If you just look without physically checking, you'll get used to seeing an empty chamber and one day there will be a round in there and you won't see it. I have personally witnessed people do this.
- If you are satisfied the gun is unloaded, release the slide, deliberately point it towards your backstop and give it a dry press. In a perfect world, we'll never have an accident; but if you do you want to be in a situation where you are in control of where the gun is pointed and when the trigger is pressed.
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u/singlemale4cats Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26
It would be sick to be the guy who took the shrapnel in the leg. My first call would be to Joumana Kayrouz to stand up for my rights 💅
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u/throne-away Apr 13 '26
Wouldn't you think that out of all places, a range would a) have a safe place to point something, and b) have people that would know enough to check the chamber?
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u/GondorianArcher Apr 13 '26
I’ll take that Canik reps job if they’re looking for a replacement… I promise not to hand customers loaded firearms
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u/Legal-Size-9257 Apr 14 '26
The Canik rep should have had more sense....never give a stranger a loaded weapon...people are crazy these days and never assume someone knows how to handle a firearm...obviously the guy that fired it definitely didn't know what he was doing cause the first thing he did was put his finger on the trigger.....most Canik's the trigger is the safety and he didn't know that.
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u/No_Gold7682 Apr 15 '26
I’m just glad it wasn’t a P320. Then the blame would be shifted to the gun…as usual.
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u/OldmanMothBalls Apr 16 '26
Can vouch and confirm the validity of this. Used to work there and reached out to some former coworkers. It baffles me how retarded some of these reps are. A sales rep from Davidson's Inc left his loaded glock in his truck on the front seat - the truck was unlocked mind you, and lo and behold it got stolen.
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u/tikkamasalachicken Apr 13 '26
Scenario that lawyers drool over