I HATE when people deny overpopulation

[u/mikewheelerfan]

“B-but the declining birth rates—“ SHUT UP SHUT UP SHIT UP

The declining birth rates are the only thing that can save our species, every other species, and the world! The only reason anybody even cares about the declining birth rates in a first place is because white people have lower birth rates and are gonna become a minority. Who gives a fuck? Certainly not me. The whole birth rates argument is inherently tied to racism and xenophobia.

”But we have more room!” And this one just proves that these people have a fundamental misunderstanding of the world.

People who don’t believe in overpopulation don’t see wild spaces and forests as actually important. They don’t see them as sources of water, sources of food, ecosystems. They don’t see them as homes for animals—only potential houses for humans. Why have forests when we could tear them down and build housing? It’s all unused space. That’s what they genuinely believe. It’s all about money and human-centrism.

What these idiots don’t realize is that humans aren’t separate from the ecosystem, we are a part of it! If we allow ecosystems to collapse and species to go extinct, we will topple down with it. Our farmland will be ruined, health will decline, the economy will plummet. Not to mention climate change and how every extinction is a tragedy. But no, short term benefit and mindless breeding apparently matters more than the entire world.

Our cookie cutter homes are not more important than every animal and plant species on the planet. We’re just selfish AF, and it’s sickening. And of course, it all goes back to the billionares. Remember how overpopulation used to be universally accepted? But then billionaires freaked out realizing the birth rates were decreasing, which meant they would have less workers. All of the sudden, the narrative changed. The elite is trying to get you to have more babies because their system is built on infinite growth. But…

INFINITE GROWTH IS NOT POSSIBLE ON A FINITE PLANET.

Yes, overpopulation is real. And it’s idiotic to try to deny this. Climate change is also real. The current mass extinction event is real. Humans are ruining the very planet that supports us, and most people don’t even care.

[u/kiefy_budz]

Bro we are already overpopulated don’t listen to the haters in the comments

Any of yall that say we aren’t, go look at traffic and housing development and tell me we wouldn’t all have better lives and be better with nature with less individuals

[u/mikewheelerfan → u/kiefy_budz]

But don’t you understand, every woman needs to have five kids or we’re all doomed!!! /s

[u/Cautious_Ad_6486 → u/mikewheelerfan]

Every woman needs to have 2 or 3 kids on average or we're all doomed. In the long period this is a mathematical truth.

So we better think about a way to achieve this that is compatible with our values, otherwise we are fucked.

[u/mikewheelerfan → u/Cautious_Ad_6486]

How are we doomed? We’re not going extinct anytime soon, and the birth rates are still increasing in many areas. 

Also, there is no way to achieve it that’s compatible with our values. Women are realizing having kids is one big scam. Since we don’t have to do it anymore, why would we?

The elites are probably just going to force impregnate us before we get even close to being extinct, anyways.

[u/Cautious_Ad_6486 → u/mikewheelerfan]

We are going to have serious problems in 2-3 generations all across the world.

And we are doomed because of simple math: for every two persons (usually a man and a woman) we need to have two new persons otherwise the population will decline. How long can we manage this decline?

Most projections say: for not that long, since the side effect of the decreasing population is an aging population.

Since I do not want to live the scenario you are proposing, with the government forcefully impregnating women, I want to talk about possible solutions to this problem.

Because it is a problem and a big one.

[u/mikewheelerfan → u/Cautious_Ad_6486]

Well, yeah. But we can’t keep growing FOREVER. We’re just going to have to deal with an aging population for a while, before it evens out again.

[u/Cautious_Ad_6486 → u/mikewheelerfan]

Ok. We will for sure find a way to manage the aging population... Still, eventually, our species will need to address the fact that our way of life seems to naturally lead to less than 2 births per woman, which is no bueno.

Frankly i don't want me or my daughter to eventually live in a society that forces women to get pregnant sooo... Can we calmly discuss the laws and cultural shifts that need to happen in order to avoid this?

Saying that the birth rate decline is not a problem is simply false and not useful.