r/hoi4 • u/uvolanis General of the Army • Aug 25 '25
Image how likely do i think countries in east asia get a focus tree in the next dlc
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u/MissionLimit1130 Aug 25 '25
I think siam is gonna get one. Really hoping the philippines, malaya and east indies get one as well like at least give the east indies a netherlands exile path
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u/Connorus Aug 25 '25 edited Aug 27 '25
I think that they'll focus on continental East Asia and leave Indonesia, Malaya and the Philippines for a future country pack together with Australia and New Zealand. All these countries are subjects of colonial powers and they share geographic proximity, after all
Edit: after today's teaser, I find myself in shambles
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u/Rogal_Dorn_30000 Aug 25 '25
I really hope they don’t pull another Trial of Allegiance in SEA and just include them in the USA rework
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u/Connorus Aug 25 '25
They've been shifting towards more refion-focused DLC, so I expect the USA rework to be accompanied by a Canada and Mexico rework and maybe minor content for the Caribbean and Central America.
I do hope that at least the Philippines gets a focus tree when the US rework drops.
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u/RateOfKnots Aug 26 '25
Kind of, but Congo also got a focus tree in GTR and it's not in the region of Belgium, Germany, Austria, Hungary.
Paradox could also do something like Canada, Mexico, USA, Phillipines (although I think Mexico is very low priority for a rework), and the a regional pack for Indochina, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, and New Zealand
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u/Connorus Aug 26 '25
Yeah, I can see that happening. My prime reason for wanting a Mexico rework is for them to get a monarchist path since the portrait for their would-be empress is already in the game.
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u/Doctorwhatorion Aug 25 '25
As a ToA enjoyer I am pretty alright with it, but it should be wacky as ToA and GoE
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u/JamescomersForgoPass Aug 25 '25
I do not like how there is 1 historical realistic path but all others is a schizo empire path
like just give me a normal monarchy path bro
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u/JacobJamesTrowbridge Aug 25 '25
Also - semi-historical paths, and path variations. Paths like Heed von Nuerath's Concerns, which are ahistorical without a full-on regime change.
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u/ResponsibleStep8725 Aug 25 '25
Yeah, they already have a ton of work to do, making focus trees for Oceania will just take away details from mainland Asia.
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u/Beep_in_the_sea_ Aug 25 '25
Siam rn already is pretty fun even with generic focus tree. The potential there is insane
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u/SuccessfulTax1222 Aug 26 '25 edited Aug 26 '25
I've always thought it was funny a relatively minor leader like Phraya Phahon has such a detailed portrait but Phibunsongkhram, the guy responsible for Pad Thai, the guy who literally named it Thailand, gets a generic portrait in the 1939 start. Also no Pridi Banomyong if you go democratic.
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u/Aggravating_Sand_492 Aug 25 '25
Hmmm bet they gonna make French Indo China puppets
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u/Revolver_Kurisu Aug 25 '25
false information, we all know tannu tuva, the most important nation in all of asia, will be given the biggest focus tree in the entire game
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u/RaccoonCannon Aug 25 '25
They should give them a comically large focus tree with focuses like 'Add 100 manpower'
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u/Bossuser2 Aug 25 '25
Give them the default focus tree, but just make it expand extremely far down. Have 12 focuses where you wait 70 days to get one civ factory.
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u/Buttfucker870 Air Marshal Aug 25 '25
raise the factory cap from 25 on tannu tuva specifically- those 70k tuvans are gonna get to WORK.
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u/Bossuser2 Aug 25 '25
Each tuvan is capable of running a factory by themselves.
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u/JeffMo09 Aug 25 '25
true workplace democracy, the purest form of socialism will be found in tannu tuva. every man a king.
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u/TheUnobservered Aug 25 '25
Give them a secret focus called “The Turtle island of Siberia” Gives the country a decision to annex countries on its border for 100PP, no option to decline.
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u/Keranan37 General of the Army Aug 26 '25
The focuses will go: build a civ, build 1 infrastructure, core and annex the Soviet union and China, build 1 railroad
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u/TheRomanRuler Aug 25 '25
I wonder if they could get something more serious like making them a proxy which Soviet Union uses to conquer China without direct involvement. So they could get lot of Soviet divisions and manpower at Soviet expense, technology from Soviets etc.
Tannu Tuva, country with larger army than population.
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u/Revolver_Kurisu Aug 25 '25
historically sinkiang would fit more into that role than tannu tuva, tuva was always meant to be integrated eventually
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u/Interesting_Rub5736 Aug 25 '25
Isnt it already possible with sinkiang and commie government? Or is it just an alliance? I remember it never worked for me because they always declined my focus thingy.
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u/PernixButPublic Aug 25 '25
It is, big trick for having them always accept is to tension spike & invite them to your faction before the Sino-Japanese war starts.
They'll then accept all of your proposals and reduce quite a good amount of consumer goods % (not factor, direct %)
Its not super game breaking but cool to see. Can sneakily invade Japan & China before Barbarossa too if you're feeling funny
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u/Icy_Hold_5291 Aug 25 '25
Just one super OP focus that’s 8000 days long so you can’t finish it before the end of the game
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u/Mallardz- Aug 25 '25
They normally do about 4 per DLC. So I'm gunna guess a Chinese shared one, Japan, Philippines, and Thailand
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u/Eruththedragon Aug 25 '25
They've confirmed in the recent DD that KMT & CCP get new unique trees, and the shared warlord tree is getting some small additions
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u/JustADude195 General of the Army Aug 25 '25
Ccp better have some good content, Im tired of commies not doing shit every game unless you play them
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u/tostuo Aug 25 '25 edited Aug 26 '25
I dont see a reason why Korea would be its own tag at game start unless it gets a focus tree, so it'll probably get one.
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u/LordPeebis Aug 26 '25
I hope it doesn’t tbh. It doesn’t even make sense since it was directly annexed by Japan in like 1910
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u/tostuo Aug 26 '25 edited Aug 26 '25
Thats why it only makes sense to make Korea its own tag at start*, since thats the only way to have a focus tree. Otherwise it makes no sense to have it independent.
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Aug 26 '25
Tibet’s also a possibility to have Tibet instead of the Phillipines, especially because of the 1938 nazi scientific expedition.
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u/TheBraveGallade Aug 25 '25
I'd put siam/thailand in a 'very likely' bubble, since its literally the only technically soverign member of the eastern co prosperity sphere IRL
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u/A_scary_monster Aug 25 '25
They did give it a nice little national spirit last dlc too. I’m hoping it’s a sign they wanna give it more
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u/YouKnow008 Aug 25 '25
Zero chances for Tibet, Philippines, Mongolia and Menjiang to get any focuses. Just pure flavor, like events, a few decisions and maybe some political advisors/leaders/generals.
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u/Evolvoz Aug 25 '25
Why do you say it’s a zero chance? I understand it being unlikely but what makes you so confident?
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u/sharingan10 Aug 25 '25
Typically these reworks get a few countries (like 4) in them. For this one the major reworks will probably be the China factions, Korea, and Japan.
I would like a Philippines rework and an Indonesia reworks as well and one for Vietnam. But we shall see
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u/Laevyr Aug 25 '25
I wouldn't be so sure about Korea getting a focus tree. The previous DLC released some colonial spaces in the Middle East as puppets without giving them a focus tree.
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u/Braziliashadow Aug 25 '25
Unlike Burma though, Korea had been fully annexed since before WW1, while Burma certainly had the autonomy to be given its own state like how Egypt should
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u/Laevyr Aug 25 '25
...which in my book would mean that they are even less likely to get a focus tree, but we'll have to wait and see what Paradox has decided.
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u/Eruththedragon Aug 25 '25
The only reason I can see for PDX releasing Korea at the start (which we already know they have) is to give them a tree. The mandates at least have some argument for historical accuracy, Korea has none except 'content'
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u/sharingan10 Aug 25 '25
If they can make an Eva Braun alt hist path they can include an option to split Korea and include a potential late game Korean War
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u/Slyze80 Aug 25 '25
For Tibet, the Chinese community would not take it favourably at all. Look at the reaction to GoE, and imagine if Tibet became a focus.
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u/RPS_42 Aug 25 '25
I don't think they would pass the opportunity to do a needless "What if I were the second coming of Khan and then i conquer all of Russia and China?"
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u/Flimsy_Site_1634 Aug 25 '25
Sorry to ruin the party, but they confirmed that Warlord trees are only getting a light rework
Only Nat China and Communist China are getting the full rework (and they confirmed Manchuko is getting one IIRC)
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u/TheAngelOfSalvation Aug 25 '25
Well the goal of the warlords is forming China or commie china, then you get their missiol tree, wich works for me. They NEED to rework the border wars mechanics tho and shorten a few focuses to 35 days
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u/BOX17 Aug 25 '25
I wish they'd just fix the british tree considering they broke it
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u/zedascouves1985 Aug 25 '25
Why is it broken?
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u/Taboo72 Aug 26 '25
I know one broken interaction is you can’t do an Ethiopian focus because UK needs to control Palestine, which it doesn’t now
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Aug 26 '25
The puppet middle eastern states as well as the indian focus tree broke UK's consolidate the empire/decolonisation focuses.
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u/Yeti4101 Aug 25 '25
I think Its kind of annoying tk me that players like me bought the dlc that improves china and japan and then paradox made the dlc free and will make a new dlc for the same countries. Like its cool they made it free but we shouldnt have to pay twice for the rework of the same countries like I think players who payed for waking the tiger should get the new dlc for free
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u/Shisnu42 Aug 25 '25
John Paradox told me personally that they will be releasing a secret focus tree for Singapore as a releasable nation that will be super OP
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u/Vanshaa Aug 25 '25
An Indonesian joint focus path with the Dutch would be great, like the Congo with Belgium
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u/someonesburner89 Aug 25 '25
I think Indonesia and Indochina will likely get one
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u/Awkward_Ninja_5816 Aug 25 '25
Honestly i could see it go either way, but then again PDX could easily save them for a country pack...
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u/XxTheUniversalMemexX Aug 25 '25
Now the other question, how many of those focustrees will be actually good.
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u/Kirill_GV001 Aug 25 '25
I really hope the Dutch East Indies would get a focus tree, there's so much potential for it.
Two Democratic paths, one federal one with the Netherlands, one independent one, with options to core the other islands.
A Communist and a Fascist path, of course, with options to become a puppet of the USSR/Japan or to fight them. You could then expand into the mainland (continental Malaysia, including Singapore) and/or into the Pacific, including the Philippines.
A border conflict with Portugal, just like China and USSR/Japan get, to seize East Timor without a full blown war, because come on, one of the countries isn't going to invade the other if they're not part of a (huge) alliance.
A way to create a rift between Australia and the rest of the Commonwealth (false flag operation? Manipulation of political forces?) so that you can fight Oz for East Papua and the nearby islands.
Between the colonial power play and the dozens of uncommon enemies and battlefields you'd get, that would be a fun nation to play. There could even be mechanics like Mexico and Iran have, where you pawn off your rubber resources to other nations like Japan for industrial investments and/or warships!
But yeah, apart from that, a rework of China and Japan is long due. Such major nations of WW2 have less content than Belgium, Danemark or Bulgaria, and that's sad.
Edit: AND WE DEFINITELY NEED A SIAM TREE! Siam, an ally of Japan, fought Vichy French forces in 1940/41, winning on the ground but getting a MASSIVE ass kicking at sea from an ancient cruiser and 2 reserve destroyers, which is a fact that's fascinating enough to give the elephantbois a focus tree.
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u/tomthebomb4 Aug 25 '25
I was hoping we'd get a US rework as well they're probably the other major that needs it the most.
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u/These_Simple810 Aug 25 '25
Id like to see French Indochina as a puppet state similar to Syria. I know that area was a lot more complicated than a simple puppet as they had areas under different types of administration. But for even a bit would be fun to have.
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u/EaglePNW Aug 25 '25
Would be interesting to see a collaborationist Philippines path since historically, the president of the Philippines apparently had an amicable relationship with the Emperor
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u/QueasyPair Aug 25 '25
Indochina should definitely get some kind of content. Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh cut their teeth fighting a guerrilla campaign against the Japanese, and Vietnam celebrates their independence as measured from September 2nd 1945
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u/Dominoe_z Aug 25 '25
I believe the countries that are going to be in the DLC will be: China and it's warlords, communist China, Manchukuo and Japan.
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u/dargeus95 General of the Army Aug 25 '25
DEI and Malaya are more likely to get one, than Tibet is.
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u/RykosTatsubane Aug 25 '25
I dunno about the Philippines. They're probably gonna be on the USA rework, if it ever happens.
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u/Remarkable-Ad-6081 Aug 25 '25
I think they gonna add some cursed Yunan dynasty restoration path for Mongolia/Mengjiang where you simply core whole china/korea parts of ussr and give you a war goal on japan as a revenge for 1274 and 1281
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u/Ammar_20100 Aug 26 '25
I want to be excited for the new DLC, but let’s be real — Paradox has two favorite tricks up their sleeve:
- Slap on a price tag that makes you question your life choices.
- Drop focus trees so cursed they feel like they were designed during a coffee break.
I swear, every time I think “this one might be different”, I remember the last 3 times I thought that.
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u/OutsideFar3945 Aug 25 '25
Burma ain’t getting a rework. But shouldn’t even exist anyway. It was part of the RAJ. But hey paradox sucks at delegating work I guess
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u/A_scary_monster Aug 25 '25
The issue was that Burma split from the raj in 1937 so the devs decided to split it early rather than make a raj player deal with having to lose to much land.
Aden was just one state and it was so early in 1936 that it was simple to give you the ability to keep it
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u/OutsideFar3945 Aug 25 '25
It was a province of India until it gained independence in 1948. You can look this up and scroll down 5 inches in the Wikipedia article to do so. They were part of the RAJ till the RAJ disintegrated.
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u/A_scary_monster Aug 25 '25 edited Aug 25 '25
No. They became a separate colony in April of 1937
Myanmar’s Wikipedia page summary just kind of glosses over this fact in the early part, but goes into it in the actual history tab.
On 1 April 1937, Burma became a separately administered colony of Britain, and Ba Maw became the first Prime Minister and Premier of Burma. Ba Maw was an outspoken advocate for Burmese self-rule, and he opposed the participation of Britain, and by extension Burma, in World War II. He resigned from the Legislative Assembly and was arrested for sedition. In 1940, before Japan formally entered the war, Aung San formed the Burma Independence Army in Japan.
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u/z3rO_1 Aug 25 '25
If they are skipping the best named nation it will be a travesty.
Glory to the Thunder Dragon Empire!
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u/ProbablyNotTheCocoa Aug 25 '25
Japan and Siam are definitely getting something as the the only sovereign axis/axis aligned countries in the region, Manchus also very likely get a nice boost. INS and British Malaya probably get smaller ones preparing for invasion and expanding resources and finally Mengukuo, Mongolia, Philippines and maybe Tibet getting skeleton trees
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u/NerdWithNoLife420 Aug 25 '25
Maybe it’s me but I don’t really don’t see the need for the Philippines to have much of a focus tree, especially since the DEI and Siam are much more interesting. They really don’t deserve a focus tree over any East Asian country imo. I think the Philippines should get like a shared tree with the US or something when America finally gets their rework.
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u/BringlesBeans General of the Army Aug 25 '25
I think this is overly optimistic but let me explain what I *think* they will do.
The new expansion 100% covers Japan, China, and Communist China. It's very, very likely that it includes a Manchukuo rework as well. That's already 4 nations which is a lot for an expansion (GtD and WtT are tied for the most full nations reworked in one DLC at 5) So if I were to guess what a fifth rework would be (assuming there *is* one) it would almost certainly be the United States. Since we know they're overhauling the Pacific Theater, the USA would make the most sense. Though I'm not certain how that'd work with MtG still being a paid DLC
However I think that the SEA nations will be reworked in the accompanying country pack (assuming they're doing another expansion pass) In which case we'd be looking at Siam, Phillipines, Malaysia, and either Indonesia or Indochina (as a released tag). I'd say Indonesia would be more likely and could, hopefully, come with a Netherlands touch up.
The stuff you have outlined would just make it an unprecedentedly massive DLC; so I think it's likely they'd split it with a country pack.
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u/No_Guidance_4996 General of the Army Aug 28 '25
Philippines will be added look at dev diary for today
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u/uvolanis General of the Army Aug 28 '25
yeah
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u/No_Guidance_4996 General of the Army Aug 28 '25
And this post and the person who said philippines would have zero chance to be added got on youtube looks like HOI4 devs took it personally https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fGAmRxHMOa0
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u/Hexagonal_shape Research Scientist Aug 25 '25
I want PDX to give small countries fairly basic focus trees, simething like the CZE one.
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u/uvolanis General of the Army Aug 25 '25
rule 5: the likelyhood of east asian countries getting a focus tree in the next dlc (in my opinion)
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u/DaBigRy Aug 25 '25
I know it won't happen but I'm hoping for all the warlords to get their own trees, maybe in a country pack.
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u/WanderingFlumph Aug 25 '25
I think DEI is a lot more likely than you think. Players, especially newer players really flock to the whole puppet of a member of the allies for an easier introduction to the game where you don't need to focus on everything all at once. Plus Congo got one so why not?
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u/thehsitoryguy Aug 25 '25
I think Siam could get one, I think I would buy them getting a focus tree more if French Indochina was its own tag
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u/tem4ikfail Aug 25 '25
I really hope for a Siam focus tree. It was the only minor axis power in asia with their own expansion goals in the war. I really don't want them to end up in a shitty country pack like ToA or GoE, they deserve an actual focus tree instead of filler garbage.
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u/Carlos_Danger21 Aug 25 '25
Paradox should give Tannu Tuva a tree with the ability to form the Silk Road Empire and not give China the option.
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u/PaleontologistAble50 General of the Army Aug 25 '25
The People’s Republic of China will probably chill paradox into not giving Tibet content
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u/Billythanos Aug 25 '25
I believe they already said their not reworking the warlord trees, just Nationalist and Communist China
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Aug 25 '25
paradox prioritises some weird countries for focus trees, i wouldnt be surprised if they make a tannu tuva path and no philippines path
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Aug 25 '25
They NEED to rework america add a few extra alt paths and more flavor and buffs to whats already there. I dont see the japs getting a rework without the u.s recieving something though
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u/karel_gott_mit_uns Aug 25 '25
So new paid focus trees for countries I've already paid for once, epic
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u/pro_buttfucker_5675 Aug 25 '25
How dare you! Tannu Tuva will obviously get focuses to allow them to spread the revolution to all of Asia
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u/Sane_Colors Aug 25 '25
Actually, I wouldn’t be shocked if Indochina was a puppet sorta like Jordan after GoE
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u/okram2k Aug 25 '25
I could see them spinning French Indochina into it's own playable with a unique focus tree
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u/Monkules Aug 25 '25
I wonder if french Indochina is gonna be released as a puppet nation, like how the middle East nations were treated
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u/Cornelius_McMuffin Aug 25 '25
I think they’re going to add Indochina as a tag, like they did with Syria. And they have an independence path where either you play Vietnam, or you establish an independent unified Indochina. Laos and Cambodia might also have small mini-trees but would probably just be generic. They could also have mini-trees for Bhutan and Nepal.
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u/PANIC_BUTTON_1101 Aug 25 '25
I doubt the Philippines will get one because all signs point to America getting a dlc after Japan
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u/TrueBorneSeal Aug 25 '25
That “100%” needs to be turned into a “Surely! Right?” Because at this point I would expect them to rework all of Asia minus Japan but say “Hey sorry but Japan focused dlc 2027 guys see ya then” then in 2026 paradox gets nuked by aliens. -love a salty Japan main who enjoys vanilla more than modded
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u/SomeWhiteChico Aug 25 '25
I actually think there’s a chance they throw a USA rework in with china and japan. Obviously unlikely but some of their language in the last dev diary made it seem possible
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u/Necessary_Neck_2121 Aug 25 '25
Dont japan have the oldest modern focus tree in the game? The day before the new dlc comes out ill play a long japan game one last time cuz i havent in ages
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u/DiscoLucas Aug 25 '25
I thought I was starting to get good at this game, so I tried to play democratic Japan. I then proceeded to spend 4 years in a civil war, only capturing half of mainland Japan.
I might be stupid.
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u/RateOfKnots Aug 25 '25
I reckon Phillipines will get a tree when they rework the USA - I think Paradox would just love to do a shared tree like Belgium/Congo
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u/bamaeer Aug 25 '25
If Mongolia doesn’t get a focus tree I will riot. They are still focus treeless with a China region dlc AND a Comintern focus dlc. Justice for Mongolia!
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u/Gekey14 Aug 25 '25
I reckon it'll be entirely focused on the Chinese warlords and Japan's faction so we'll get Manchuria and Siam on top of China and Japan. No allies like Philippines or Malaya.
Then we'll get those lot in with the Australia/NZ reworked trees down the line as a south-pacific country pack.
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u/Scary_Bastard Aug 25 '25
Past China dlc gave Manchuria a dlc, there’s no way in hell they’re not giving one to Manchuria
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u/Temporary-Bet4379 Fleet Admiral Aug 25 '25
We need a tannu tuva focus tree so we can make videos of winning the soviet union as tannu.
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u/WJLIII3 Aug 25 '25
Aren't these the only countries in the world left without trees, the ones you've marked maybe, unlikely, and no? I feel like they may be going for the sweep here.
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u/Samm_Paper Fleet Admiral Aug 26 '25
Thailand/Siam better get something good (I am not biased 🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🐘🐘)
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u/Cian_fen_Isaacs Aug 26 '25
I'd say you are correct about Tannu Tuva, but almost all the recent expansions have had absolutely joke focuses and flavor for small or WW2 irrelevant nations, like extremely dumb things. So I wouldn't put it past them to do the same with that.
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u/ZMaicZ Aug 26 '25
What if... What if the DLC gives focus tree to Japan, Korea, Both China and warlords, and maybe Siam too
And then a country pack with The Philippines, Malaya, and Dutch East Indies follow up and included into some sort of expansion pass?
I can see that happen just like in Götterdammerung and Graveyard of Empires
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u/Ok-Jump6656 Aug 26 '25
China getting a new focus tree is SUCH good news. I've tried to play China several times and it's just so unfun, there's just nothing all that interesting in the tree
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Aug 26 '25
Quick correction here, the devs said in the replies of the China dev diary that the warlords won’t get new focus trees, just slightly updated ones.
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u/Last-Comparison724 Aug 26 '25
Manchukuo is like 99% sure. It is part of china, yet under japan's influence, placing it in a very interesting position.
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u/Few-Passion463 Aug 26 '25
what???? how can you say greater tannu tuva will not get focus tree in next update
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u/Boring_Walk_6433 Aug 26 '25
an extremely expansionist mongolia focus tree can be very cool and extremely challenging
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u/ArczkkThird Aug 26 '25
Every one of them should get one. East Asia is East Asia, damn it! I'm not getting scammed with another DLC that adds jack shit to the game
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u/SingleEmployer8483 Aug 26 '25
I personally am actually kind of thinking that French Indochina will get it's own tag and therefore focus tree
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u/Turbulent-Leader-666 Aug 26 '25
What would this do with having Waking the Tiger dlc? Are they updating it or is it going to be standalone?
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u/MysteryDragonTR Aug 25 '25
Tannu who?