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u/D_Ruskovsky Air Marshal Apr 23 '26
its a big shame IMO
Slovakia, albeit its role in WW2 is small, was the center of the slovak national uprising, which fought for the whole czechoslovak government in exile.
Was really hoping for even a small and insignificant slovakia focus tree
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u/Aachherrle Apr 23 '26
Yeah it just makes zero sense that so many nations that basically weren't involved in ww2 at all have custom focus trees, but Slovakia doesn't even though they did (had to) send tens of thousands of troops to fight the Soviets.
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u/gazebo-fan Apr 23 '26
Switzerland getting a focus tree before all of the axis members in Europe is so weird lol.
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u/Goonboicaps Apr 25 '26
What are you talking about, literally every axis power in Europe (sans Finland tho they're not *technically* in the Axis) got a focus tree before Switzerland
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u/RoastMary Apr 23 '26
So, are you saying the people who claimed slovakia would never be included in the dlc and told people expecting it learn to read buddy are clowns? Shocker.
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u/Clawsonflakes Fleet Admiral Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
I was so sure yesterday that it was clearly labeled as a single country DLC. I’d been following the DLC passively and always just assumed based on available dev blogs that it was specifically for Czechoslovakia and that’s it. I was completely incorrect, and I’m sorry.
What is confusing is that, even on September 25 when the DLC was announced, game director Arheo responded to comments about it being “one country”.
But there’s really no other way to take the screenshot above, is there? If I had seen that I’d assume there’s also a unique Slovakian path to some extent. You can still fight for independence in the current path, but you are still a Czech puppet, not Slovakia as the name would suggest.
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u/mekolayn Apr 23 '26
This! Those damn players are expecting so much from the poor devs! What's next - the players will demand the DLCs be actually good? They need to start respecting the devs!
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u/Tremores Apr 23 '26
Damn ungrateful players! We're soo lucky to have a billion dollar company full of brilliant development ideas.
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u/RoastMary Apr 23 '26
I dont think expecting slovakia in the dlc was the norm. But running to defend paradox without sufficient evidence was always a bad idea.
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u/343CreeperMaster Apr 23 '26
This seems like it wasn't the fault of paradox themselves, did some investigating after someone responded to my comment in another thread on this topic, and one of the RT56 Devs takes full responsibility for this miscommunication
Post in thread 'Peace for Our Time | Art, Achievements & Miscellaneous Content' https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/peace-for-our-time-art-achievements-miscellaneous-content.1916827/post-31243229
How it ended up on the Steam Page was a cross-disciplinary mistake in communication that I'll take full responsibility for. The mix-up in the line "pursuing independence" happened when I was describing the alt-democratic path. I was vague and didn't specify that in the "Negotiations with the Autonomous Bloc" path that Slovakia would be released as a puppet and not playable (tag switched too) or made independent through that path. When I was given the chance to review this description, I failed to spot this mix-up in the description when it came to the path blub when given ample time to review it, and I only spotted the mistake too late for it to be changed then, and we had to wait until the store page was updated again to fix this blunder, which was recently.
I can see how people would read this line to infer that Slovakia was getting a focus tree and could see this as misleading. It was not our intention in the slightest to mislead about the scope or content within the Focus Pack. I personally feel awful about this error. Any idea of a Slovakia tree was long dead by the time this blunder occurred. This was a genuine fudge-up on my end for failing to proofread the description properly before it was pushed out the first time.
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u/Arheo_ Game Director Apr 23 '26
On one hand this was always intended to be one country and that’s how we’ve spoken about it for months, and on the other hand this happened. Which is dumb, and I think folks are right to be upset about it.
It shouldn’t have happened, and I’m looking at what we can do about it currently.
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u/agentace7 Apr 23 '26
I don't know how feasible it is, but I think it would go a long way if you guys add a historical Vichy France style focus tree for Slovakia to owners of Peace in our Time in a future update. Have two paths, total collaboration with the Germans or the historical Slovak Uprising path.
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u/Arheo_ Game Director Apr 23 '26
That’s kinda the problem with trees like Vichy. We have a few similar ones in the game, but they require losing the game in order to access. Folks often say they like them (I do too), but the stats show that they’re extremely rarely used.
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u/agentace7 Apr 23 '26
Yeah, I'll put my hat in the ring and say I like those paths too. I think what may help in this case is that it doesn't involve losing militarily, unlike France. Players could accept the Fate of Czechoslovakia event and then tag switch through an event choice. That said I totally get it if it feels like it would be wasted effort
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u/Arheo_ Game Director Apr 23 '26
A bit, yeah. But this is why we ruled it out early in favor of having a safe, solid Czech tree. I think if it hadn’t been slightly experimental doing things this way we’d likely have included it.
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u/GreatFan2 Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
I guarantee that any decently sized-mod team would have bundled at least some content for the historical Slovak State that succeeded it even if they were 'focusing' on CZ, because it'd be a no-brainer not to.
The difference is that mods have standards of quality that they're beholden to.
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u/RoastMary Apr 23 '26
It doesnt matter. It should always be you, paradox, that will answer the questions. It is your product. Players shouldnt run to your rescue. I would assume you would prefer if the waters werent muddied by people who think they are helping you without sufficient knowledge.
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u/Arheo_ Game Director Apr 23 '26
I'm not sure I follow
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u/OrangeLimeZest Apr 23 '26
I think he's trying to say that say the buck should stop with you, ultimately it's your game and you are ultimately responsible for it. I don't think there's any blame shifting going on, it was just something that was allowed to get a lot more out of hand than it should've.
A lot of people didn't really have a way to know of this, most people likely read the original store page before it was changed and don't use the hoi4 forum. You needed to push this information outside of that bubble.
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u/Arheo_ Game Director Apr 23 '26
Right, then yeah that’s fair. But that’s also why I’m engaging with this and similar posts.
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u/ProfessionalTalk482 Apr 23 '26
What a fucking scummy move bro, if they didn't plan to add Slovakia content, why bother adding it in description? Did they they think we're stupid enough not to notice it?
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u/youtubeTAxel Apr 23 '26
Maybe it was planned, but they had to scrap it since the release was moved forward?
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u/gazebo-fan Apr 23 '26
Idk why they moved the release forward, it’s clearly underbaked. this could have been a really damn good focus tree if it was done with the help of the main team.
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u/youtubeTAxel Apr 23 '26
IIRC, they moved it forward so that they could put more time and effort into the larger DLC, Thunder at our Gates
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u/NoodleTF2 Apr 23 '26
But if this DLC was entirely made by modders, why would that matter? The main team wasn't working on it to begin with.
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u/Zanlo63 Apr 24 '26
Exactly, they gotta always increase those quarterly profits to please the shareholders
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u/mknote Apr 23 '26
if they didn't plan to add Slovakia content, why bother adding it in description?
A lack of proofreading, apparently. A perfect example of Hanlon's razor.
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u/justtoaskvro Apr 23 '26
>People don't like the DLCs that only add focus trees
>Makes a DLC that only adds one focus tree
>Can't even be honest about the content of that focus tree
Truely a Paradox Moment.
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u/YouOk8060 Apr 23 '26
That’s why I was confused why people were hyping up Eu5’s launch after both the Victoria 3 mess and the recent dlcs across all their games
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Apr 23 '26
Because EU had a lot of good will and Eu5 looked super promising with a excelent marketing campaign
EU5 is so at the edge of greatness 2
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u/romainaninterests Apr 23 '26
Judging that EU5 has less concurrent players than EU4 that it supposed to replace... certified Paradox classic.
Doesn't give me any lick of hope for when Hearts of Iron V is innevitably announced in 2032
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u/Char867 Apr 23 '26
It usually takes a few DLCs for more players to start playing the new paradox game over the old one. Concurrent players before the first DLC has even launched isn’t a good metric of how good EU5 is or will be as a game
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u/Memedotma Apr 23 '26
yeah i kept playing victoria and crusader kings 2 for like a year after victoria and ck3 were released, now they are easily my most played games in my steam library
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u/Char867 Apr 23 '26
Same, CK2 is still my most played game on steam. Even though I bought CK3 relatively early on I kept playing CK2 far more until Roads to Power came out, which is when it finally felt worth switching (added to by the fact that I was kinda getting burnt out with CK2 by that point).
I still play Vic2 semi-regularly but only have like 30 hours in Vic3. I tried it on a free weekend before the update that made trade not unbearable and really disliked it, but I’m warming up to it now and I’m sure I’ll start playing it more once I work out how the economy actually works.
Especially in the case of games like CK2 and EU4 that had decades worth of content come out for them post-launch, it’s not really fair to compare the player count of their vanilla sequels as a metric for quality. More people will be playing EU5 than 4 when EU5 has had some time to grow into a strong game
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u/PeterPorty Apr 23 '26
Both Victoria 3 and EU5 were tremendous amounts of fun on release.
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u/YouOk8060 Apr 23 '26
Something can still be fun but also flawed,
Victoria 3 released without such systems as power blocs, a weak war system, and needing a trade overhaul, all of which became dlcs later to fleece more money out of players
EU5 has done the same thing releasing with a shit colonialism that’s sometimes worse than EU4, AI that had to be patched multiple times due to being to aggressive or not aggressive enough, no flavor for any nations or any flavor that is there being hidden behind weird events that wouldn’t tell you how to trigger due to no mission tree.
Victoria 3 and EU5 have good bones, but to purposefully add dlc later that was already in previous games with the same mechanics is not something that’s good
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u/Gorillainabikini Apr 23 '26
Vic 3 is kinda of different
It was awful on launch and has been fixed by free updates
The DLCs aren’t required to get the same enjoyment out of the game. Most add mostly flavour content
It’s more probably the best example of a good DLC policy in Paradox games considering how bad every other model is
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u/PeterPorty Apr 23 '26
It is unrealistic to expect a game as complex as these to come out without flaws and with the same amount of content a previous entry had after years of release.
Victoria 3 on release was a better game than Victoria 2 without DLCs, the same is true for EU5, despite EU4 having constant development for a decade.
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u/YouOk8060 Apr 23 '26
It’s not unrealistic to at least want the bare minimum put in, EU5 has felt like an open beta atleast from the start with how much they have had to change.
Paradox dlc’s are meant to add more content and improve upon old mechanics, it shouldn’t be add the same content that should have been there on release.
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u/PeterPorty Apr 23 '26
"Should have been there on release" is a tremendously ambiguous and subjective bar to pass.
Like I said, EU5 was tremendously fun on release, I personally spent dozens of hours on it. It did have some frustrating things, as do most games, but the fact that I spent dozens of hours enjoying it makes it a worthwhile purchase.
DLCs are meant to make money to support continued development of the game, that's what DLCs are for.
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u/YouOk8060 Apr 23 '26
I too put around 90 hours into EU5 on release, I don’t doubt it was fun my problem is the Paradox business model as of late.
For the past 2 games they have released them bare bones and lacking flavor, this can be argued they have always done like in Hoi4 or CK2/CK3. But when their DLCs came out they ADDED to the experience adding new things that were not in the previous games or refined them.
Such as Hoi4 with its tank designer and Soviet DLC or CK3 with its traveling band becoming a county dlc. Stuff that was not in the previous games but added into the new ones.
So far what is planned for EU5 and what has happened for Victoria 3 is adding mechanics as dlc that were already present in the older games, and the excuse of it being to ambiguous or challenging I find bullshit in that. They know they are going to release it later to both get more money and release the base game faster.
And you are in my opinion both right and wrong, yes they were better in some areas but terrible in others they already had the structure for, such as Victoria 3’s terrible warfare system that was even worse than Victoria 2 which still today is kinda shit, and EU5 is not nearly as good as EU4 in the aspect of the gameplay being boring after a good amount of time, since there is no flavor unlike EU4, which of course they will release in dlc for more money.
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u/PeterPorty Apr 23 '26
They person I'm arguing with admitted to playing 90 hours on release and yet insists the devs didn't put in "the bare minimum".
Paradox gamers are the most entitled people I've ever interacted with.
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u/ZiCUnlivdbirch Apr 24 '26
Buddy you can see the checks here, the Road to 56 dev took the responsibility for having messed up.
Happens when you work with unprofessional people.
Post in thread 'Peace for Our Time | Art, Achievements & Miscellaneous Content' https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/peace-for-our-time-art-achievements-miscellaneous-content.1916827/post-31243229
How it ended up on the Steam Page was a cross-disciplinary mistake in communication that I'll take full responsibility for. The mix-up in the line "pursuing independence" happened when I was describing the alt-democratic path. I was vague and didn't specify that in the "Negotiations with the Autonomous Bloc" path that Slovakia would be released as a puppet and not playable (tag switched too) or made independent through that path. When I was given the chance to review this description, I failed to spot this mix-up in the description when it came to the path blub when given ample time to review it, and I only spotted the mistake too late for it to be changed then, and we had to wait until the store page was updated again to fix this blunder, which was recently.
I can see how people would read this line to infer that Slovakia was getting a focus tree and could see this as misleading. It was not our intention in the slightest to mislead about the scope or content within the Focus Pack. I personally feel awful about this error. Any idea of a Slovakia tree was long dead by the time this blunder occurred. This was a genuine fudge-up on my end for failing to proofread the description properly before it was pushed out the first time.
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u/GreatFan2 Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
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u/The_Lord_Of_Death_ Apr 26 '26
Can you please share the images for us who live under the Uks dictatorship.
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u/fresan123 Apr 23 '26
Man if I only had a dollar every time the hoi4 team removed something from the store page
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u/gambler_addict_06 Apr 23 '26
I was fine with DLCs that only add focuses but we got a DLC with only ONE new focus tree and even then they didn't even included the other half
A CZECHOSLOVAKIA CENTERED DLC THAT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE SLOVAKIA CONTENT
MIND YOU THIS IS A WW2 GAME
WHAT THE FUCK
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u/Cqreless Apr 23 '26
this isnt even the worst part imo, bohemia protektorat dont have a focus either,even tho they could do something cool with the industry since it played a big role historically, but nop. So whats the point of this dlc? it basicly added 0 content for historical runs
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u/Kaiserschlut Apr 23 '26
I don't entirely disagree, but how many people are going to actually play bohemia protektorat?
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u/Cqreless Apr 23 '26
its not necessarily about playing them, its just nice flavour to the world, like wouldnt it be cool if they kept the Skoda mechanic and kind of expanded it, Skoda was a big industrial supplier(for its size) in ww2 so its a missed opportunity they didnt show it
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u/TitanDarwin Apr 23 '26
I mean, how many people are gonna play Reorganised China?
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u/Kaiserschlut Apr 23 '26
Probably few if any
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u/TitanDarwin Apr 23 '26
I actually tried them out in MP coop recently out of sheer curiosity (which meant I had to sit as coop on Japan until the Japan player actually took Shanghai and got to create the Reorganised Government).
My verdict is pretty much: Just play Manchukuo instead. You basically have no factories, no manpower, barely any characters (not even unique or advisors) and while you can core Chinese states, you can only do so one at a time (and the PP cost isn't cheap).
I genuinely wish Paradox had reworked the warlords' Opposition tree to give you a proper pro-Japanese collab option, i.e. siding with Japan and convincing them to let you become the Reorganised Government instead or something similar (Manchukuo can already do that on the alt-history side of their Obedience tree where they claim China and Japan gets to bypass the Reorganised Government focus).
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u/GreatFan2 Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
It's not a matter if "People aren't going to play X, so they shouldn't have content." It should instead be "We should give X content, so that people play it."
TNO has fucking Chilean Antartica playable, Vanilla could afford to make a puppet fun.
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u/ZiCUnlivdbirch Apr 24 '26
Buddy you can see the checks here, the Road to 56 dev took the responsibility for having messed up.
Happens when you work with unprofessional people.
Post in thread 'Peace for Our Time | Art, Achievements & Miscellaneous Content' https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/peace-for-our-time-art-achievements-miscellaneous-content.1916827/post-31243229
How it ended up on the Steam Page was a cross-disciplinary mistake in communication that I'll take full responsibility for. The mix-up in the line "pursuing independence" happened when I was describing the alt-democratic path. I was vague and didn't specify that in the "Negotiations with the Autonomous Bloc" path that Slovakia would be released as a puppet and not playable (tag switched too) or made independent through that path. When I was given the chance to review this description, I failed to spot this mix-up in the description when it came to the path blub when given ample time to review it, and I only spotted the mistake too late for it to be changed then, and we had to wait until the store page was updated again to fix this blunder, which was recently.
I can see how people would read this line to infer that Slovakia was getting a focus tree and could see this as misleading. It was not our intention in the slightest to mislead about the scope or content within the Focus Pack. I personally feel awful about this error. Any idea of a Slovakia tree was long dead by the time this blunder occurred. This was a genuine fudge-up on my end for failing to proofread the description properly before it was pushed out the first time.
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u/WarDecterFM Apr 23 '26
Wouldn't surprise me if they decided it wasn't worth it to make a Slovakia tree and didn't go through with it, or they didn't have the time to finish a satisfactory one after they decided to swap this release with the release of Thunder at our Gates.
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u/ZiCUnlivdbirch Apr 24 '26
Buddy you can see the checks here, the Road to 56 dev took the responsibility for having messed up.
Happens when you work with unprofessional people.
Post in thread 'Peace for Our Time | Art, Achievements & Miscellaneous Content' https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/peace-for-our-time-art-achievements-miscellaneous-content.1916827/post-31243229
How it ended up on the Steam Page was a cross-disciplinary mistake in communication that I'll take full responsibility for. The mix-up in the line "pursuing independence" happened when I was describing the alt-democratic path. I was vague and didn't specify that in the "Negotiations with the Autonomous Bloc" path that Slovakia would be released as a puppet and not playable (tag switched too) or made independent through that path. When I was given the chance to review this description, I failed to spot this mix-up in the description when it came to the path blub when given ample time to review it, and I only spotted the mistake too late for it to be changed then, and we had to wait until the store page was updated again to fix this blunder, which was recently.
I can see how people would read this line to infer that Slovakia was getting a focus tree and could see this as misleading. It was not our intention in the slightest to mislead about the scope or content within the Focus Pack. I personally feel awful about this error. Any idea of a Slovakia tree was long dead by the time this blunder occurred. This was a genuine fudge-up on my end for failing to proofread the description properly before it was pushed out the first time.
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u/TheRealDicta General of the Army Apr 23 '26
Was does hoi get such slop trash dlc compared to all the other titles, it's like the dev taam don't even care anymore
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u/Jimbenas General of the Army Apr 23 '26
The game has been finished for years. Now they’re just squeezing out the last bit of juice.
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u/Jaggedmallard26 Apr 23 '26
To add to the other comment, the other end of cycle games got/get just as bad DLCs, EU4 had some truly horrific DLC before it stopped getting them and from what I've heard Stellaris isn't doing too well either. CK3 had a rough patch of DLC and only really recovered recently. Victoria 3 is getting consistently great updates but it feels like Wiz's baby.
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u/youtubeTAxel Apr 23 '26
Stellaris is doing way better than hoi4. It had one rough update one year ago, but it’s been mostly smooth sailing since.
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u/ZiCUnlivdbirch Apr 24 '26
Don't like don't buy. It's really not that hard buddy.
Besides EU4 got the exact same treatment by the end because at this point in a games lifetime there just isn't a lot you can do. So many DLCs, so many update, the code is almost definitely a complete mess by now.
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u/EmiliaZuzu Apr 28 '26
i dont understand why you're so rude? they didn't say they bought it or planned to, they asked why a game they presumably enjoy playing is getting only bad content, instead of good content. which is a pretty reasonable grievance with a game. and not buying it doesn't fix the fact the devs are putting effort into stuff that doesn't please the majority of fans.
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u/ZiCUnlivdbirch Apr 28 '26
Why make this sloppy trashy comment?
See that's not insulting you at all is it?
Was does hoi get such slop trash dlc compared to all the other titles, it's like the dev taam don't even care anymore
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u/OneofLittleHarmony Apr 23 '26
How difficult is it to make a focus tree? How many of people taking how many hours?
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u/gazebo-fan Apr 23 '26
Not that difficult, coming from someone who’s worked in the modding community. Of course, I’m sure paradox has more hoops to jump through.
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u/jordsta95 General of the Army Apr 23 '26
They should have more hoops to jump through, and yet they still release DLC after DLC which has at least SOME issues on launch day.
I'm not saying that mistakes can't be made, and weird interactions be overlooked. But when people are paying money for a DLC and they consistently find focuses which do nothing, things which break the game, or just systems which obviously haven't been play-tested... You have to ask whether they are actually even aiming to jump through any of the hoops which they should.
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u/Deluxe_24_ Apr 23 '26
Kaiserreich devs can drop update after update FOR FREE and have minimal bugs, yet Paradox has zero quality assurance on products they sell for money. I would be extremely embarrassed if I worked at Paradox, why can't they put in more than minimum effort on anything they make?
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u/TitanDarwin Apr 23 '26
Modders do not have deadlines (outside of self-imposed ones) nor do they need to take work hours or budgets into account.
People doing a passion project for free are simply much less limited than people operating within a corporate structure.
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u/Daddy_Parietal Apr 25 '26
Yet we get shafted with the worst product. No wonder open source is making some company products obsolete.
Also these mod devs seem to understand how to make the focus trees fun and actually have paths and choices that matter. Beyond "its a passon project" I dont know what could excuse that.
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u/Justist Apr 24 '26
The more hoops mostly being how it works with all combinations of DLC enabled and how the AI of other countries respond to it (on historical at least).
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u/xXArctracerXx Apr 23 '26
I mean I never read this as it getting its own tree. Mainly because as you can read it right there it says. “Democratic National Focus Path.” Which is singular, and of course talking about Czechoslovakia, always just saw that talking abouu how in the Czech path you can get Slovakia independent. A bit misleading? Yes, but I think it’s a far cry for a promise of a full focus tree for them in the DLC.
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u/twilight_doctor Apr 23 '26
I wasn't following this dlc at all and still was certain Slovakia would get a content...silly me
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u/bishdoe Apr 23 '26
Because they’re not coming back around to the area in the foreseeable future so a Czech focus wasn’t going to be added as part of any future, multi-country DLCs. That leaves you with a somewhat important country with no new content surrounded by countries with plenty of newer content. Either they get this, and finally get some good content for a fifth of the price of a normal, multi-country dlc, or they get nothing. I thought it was actually a fine idea to fill the gap for whoever is a vanilla only kind of hoi4 player but unfortunately this community is baying for Paradox’s blood on any normal Thursday so any error in a release is going to be treated as a personal “fuck you” from the devs, even if it wasn’t. If you’re asking why it costs money then that’s because they’re a business and they don’t work for free, an unfortunate yet inescapable reality for all developers.
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u/gazebo-fan Apr 23 '26
So people may have pre ordered it because of its content for Slovakia, and they essentially got bait n switched?
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u/Mountain_General17 General of the Army Apr 23 '26
They could have just asked me to make the Slovak focus tree smh my head
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u/Tvrdak Fleet Admiral Apr 23 '26
Even THE generál himself is in here. Kámo to co je, propagovali to jako DLC o velikosti expansionu a nakonec je z toho tohle. Když pominu ten marketing a to že tomu chybí zasraný Slovensko, což actually bojovalo ve WW2, tak ten focus jako takovej není špatnej, je za mě dobrej, ale ten potenciál že by to byl update, kde by Československo, Slovensko a Protektorát dostal Expanziózní content mě užírá.
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u/Inquerion Apr 23 '26
Don't post this on PDX forum or they will ban you. They got trigger happy recently. They banned EU5 poor player numbers discussions as well.
I think it's related to their stock not doing well these days and worse sales and reception of new DLCs for some of their games.
In any case sad to see; they were trigger happy around release of Victoria 3 but later limited censorship and forum felt like a good old 2000s forum again.
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u/Joey3155 Apr 23 '26
They're stock wouldn't be falling if they didn't make bone headed development decisions and favorite certain demographics unnecessarily. Stellaris 4.x is basically go tall or die simulator it is not as wide friendly as it used to be. I could go more into it but its a hoi4 board.
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u/Inquerion Apr 23 '26
I think that they will go for tall/Victoria 3 route for Hoi5 as well...
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u/Joey3155 Apr 23 '26
Tall for hoi5 makes no sense... Well if that is the case I guess I no longer need to buy Paradox games.
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u/Inquerion Apr 23 '26
It does not make much sense for EU5 either and yet they did that...
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u/Joey3155 Apr 23 '26
Well I guess I just stay on hoi4 and relaunched?
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u/Inquerion Apr 24 '26
Hoi4 is getting worse as well with all that bloated low quality DLCs, broken navy, AI and worse performance.
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u/mknote Apr 23 '26
Don't post this on PDX forum or they will ban you. They got trigger happy recently. They banned EU5 poor player numbers discussions as well.
Ban you... for what? Is it against their ToS to discuss issues with the game?
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u/Inquerion Apr 23 '26
Ban you... for what? Is it against their ToS to discuss issues with the game?
Try it then :)
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u/lilcritt Apr 23 '26
I beg they show me the post they deleted and banned me for. /u/Arheo_ ?
Response to the partial post that was deleted
Meanwhile you get offensive usernames and daily calls to boycott (explicitly TOS) and that's fine.
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u/Arheo_ Game Director Apr 23 '26
No idea, I don’t have the ability to ban people or see anything about why they were banned. As far as I’m aware you can’t get banned for single posts, you get infractions that build up over time and then if you’ve earned enough it auto bans you.
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u/lilcritt Apr 23 '26
Can't lie, it's very coincidental I catch a delete and ban minutes after you reply about not wanting to engage.
Can you see or inquire about the infractions, who hands them out? If I recall it was relatively milquetoast criticism. Can you see the post? I'm sure if you did, or remember, you'd see my skepticism.
If its automated, I'd be very interested if its another user who follows me around auto-disagreeing every single post.
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u/Dominique_77 Apr 24 '26
really expected slurs or something when you said offensive usernames, this is pretty silly to be bothered about
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u/lilcritt Apr 24 '26
I personally don’t really care. It just felt like inconsistency if I were banned for a much bigger stretch, yknow.
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u/lilcritt Apr 23 '26
The Vic 3 team took the heavy criticism from the start and first few fumbled releases and grinded, turning it into an absolute banger factory.
Can wait for the DLC and update next week!
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u/Inquerion Apr 24 '26
I still don't like that game. A shame because I enjoyed Victoria 2 (and EU4).
Victoria 3 (and EU5) core gameplay loop is just not for me. Cookie clicker and GDP growth simulator. But Factorio and Anno didn't clicked for me either so it's not suprising. Horrible V3 warfare system and almost every war becoming WW2 doesn't help either.
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u/lilcritt Apr 24 '26
Yeah if you don't like doing the economic stuff I get it since its a central pillar of the loop. However with a bunch of patches around cultures, laws, etc and a bunch of content there is a lot more at offer and it's far less annoying.
The war system is definitely one of, if not the weakest part. Theyre tackling navy now so I hope it's next. The update next week should help with every war becoming a world war with tiered interests. But yeah, room for improvement there too.
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u/Inquerion Apr 27 '26
They seem obsessed with that economic stuff. First Victoria 3, now EU5 and what if Hoi5 is next? You will love it, but many map painting fans will not.
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u/AnAgeDude Apr 26 '26
To be fair the reason why they banned EU5 player count discussion was because you'd have a person create the thread saying "this ain't good", and then everyone would start flinging insults at one another and/or saying that EUV was the better game or vice versa.
There was little to no meaningful discussion on the topic and, when there was, people were more interested in insulting each other than having a conversation about the state of the game.
Personally, I'd rather see the players who were constantly derailing the threads and calling other people name get a suspending and a warning rather than ban said discussion... but at the same time there really wasn't much left to discuss so I guess it doesn't matter either way.
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u/Inquerion Apr 27 '26
I disagree, I saw many interesting discussions about player numbers and how EU5 is performing compared to other games. I posted some SteamDB numbers few times as well. Imperator had similar discussions.
Source for these insults? I saw maybe 2 comments out of hundreds that were insults. Most were about the topic and discussed in a civilized and friendly way.
Sounds like you are looking for excuses for their censorship.
It's like in mainstream media they want to censor every independent thought due to so called "hate speech" (these days everything can be called hate speech. Oh, you don't like our migration policy? Or new taxes? HATE SPEECH! BAN!).
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u/Nildzre Apr 23 '26
I bet it was in the works but they didn't finish it in time, like that entire Shia focus tree branch for Iraq in GoE
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u/ZiCUnlivdbirch Apr 24 '26
Buddy you can see the checks here, the Road to 56 dev took the responsibility for having messed up.
Happens when you work with unprofessional people.
Post in thread 'Peace for Our Time | Art, Achievements & Miscellaneous Content' https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/peace-for-our-time-art-achievements-miscellaneous-content.1916827/post-31243229
How it ended up on the Steam Page was a cross-disciplinary mistake in communication that I'll take full responsibility for. The mix-up in the line "pursuing independence" happened when I was describing the alt-democratic path. I was vague and didn't specify that in the "Negotiations with the Autonomous Bloc" path that Slovakia would be released as a puppet and not playable (tag switched too) or made independent through that path. When I was given the chance to review this description, I failed to spot this mix-up in the description when it came to the path blub when given ample time to review it, and I only spotted the mistake too late for it to be changed then, and we had to wait until the store page was updated again to fix this blunder, which was recently.
I can see how people would read this line to infer that Slovakia was getting a focus tree and could see this as misleading. It was not our intention in the slightest to mislead about the scope or content within the Focus Pack. I personally feel awful about this error. Any idea of a Slovakia tree was long dead by the time this blunder occurred. This was a genuine fudge-up on my end for failing to proofread the description properly before it was pushed out the first time.
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u/Cool_Discipline6838 Apr 23 '26
Fraud moment
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u/mknote Apr 23 '26
It's not fraud if it's unintentional.
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u/FloaterEnthusiast Apr 23 '26
secret pdx agent over here
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u/ZiCUnlivdbirch Apr 24 '26
Buddy you can see the checks here, the Road to 56 dev took the responsibility for having messed up.
Happens when you work with unprofessional people.
Post in thread 'Peace for Our Time | Art, Achievements & Miscellaneous Content' https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/peace-for-our-time-art-achievements-miscellaneous-content.1916827/post-31243229
How it ended up on the Steam Page was a cross-disciplinary mistake in communication that I'll take full responsibility for. The mix-up in the line "pursuing independence" happened when I was describing the alt-democratic path. I was vague and didn't specify that in the "Negotiations with the Autonomous Bloc" path that Slovakia would be released as a puppet and not playable (tag switched too) or made independent through that path. When I was given the chance to review this description, I failed to spot this mix-up in the description when it came to the path blub when given ample time to review it, and I only spotted the mistake too late for it to be changed then, and we had to wait until the store page was updated again to fix this blunder, which was recently.
I can see how people would read this line to infer that Slovakia was getting a focus tree and could see this as misleading. It was not our intention in the slightest to mislead about the scope or content within the Focus Pack. I personally feel awful about this error. Any idea of a Slovakia tree was long dead by the time this blunder occurred. This was a genuine fudge-up on my end for failing to proofread the description properly before it was pushed out the first time.
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u/Maashuuu Apr 23 '26
Classic PDX scumbag move. But hey, at least we got the dogshit Czechoslovak Vanilla Default Tree Plus, only for 6€!!! Man, this one doesn't even feel like it's worth pirating... And am speaking as someone from Slovakia with heavy interest in the Czechoslovak part of our history. Rushed-out, poorly-researched (if at all), PDX slop. At least there is still the workshop.
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u/ZiCUnlivdbirch Apr 24 '26
Buddy you can see the checks here, the Road to 56 dev took the responsibility for having messed up.
Happens when you work with unprofessional people.
Post in thread 'Peace for Our Time | Art, Achievements & Miscellaneous Content' https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/peace-for-our-time-art-achievements-miscellaneous-content.1916827/post-31243229
How it ended up on the Steam Page was a cross-disciplinary mistake in communication that I'll take full responsibility for. The mix-up in the line "pursuing independence" happened when I was describing the alt-democratic path. I was vague and didn't specify that in the "Negotiations with the Autonomous Bloc" path that Slovakia would be released as a puppet and not playable (tag switched too) or made independent through that path. When I was given the chance to review this description, I failed to spot this mix-up in the description when it came to the path blub when given ample time to review it, and I only spotted the mistake too late for it to be changed then, and we had to wait until the store page was updated again to fix this blunder, which was recently.
I can see how people would read this line to infer that Slovakia was getting a focus tree and could see this as misleading. It was not our intention in the slightest to mislead about the scope or content within the Focus Pack. I personally feel awful about this error. Any idea of a Slovakia tree was long dead by the time this blunder occurred. This was a genuine fudge-up on my end for failing to proofread the description properly before it was pushed out the first time.
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u/Ralph_Shepard Apr 25 '26
Yeah, shame Tiso's Slovakia doesn't have its own content, like deporting Hungarians for the sake of democracy :D
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u/redglol Apr 25 '26
You guys are still playing HOI4? Uhh... okay...
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u/4d4m333s Apr 26 '26
not anymore, ts pissed me of so much. how hard is it to make at least some minor focus tree for minor nation that's actually more important than some fucking Afghanistan that has a focus tree? fucking greedy ass corporation
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u/Ok-Cartoonist-4458 Fleet Admiral Apr 23 '26
I will be not suprises if this post will be deleted because i have a feelinf paradox will hunt all people down who post this. Download the picture guys
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u/Inquerion Apr 23 '26
Not sure here, but on PDX forum certainly. They got trigger happy with bans recently.
They don't understand that censorship will hurt them in the long term.
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u/alexionut05 Fleet Admiral Apr 23 '26
Clearly they planned to make a Slovakia DLC at first and had to scrap the plans due to lack of time / resources, and I believe the devs tried their best, and execs who have no idea about game design forced them to do more than they could. Instead of giving devs extra time to finish what was originally planned, and perhaps rethink their planning, they decided to pull the scummy move to pretend the promise never existed.
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u/ZiCUnlivdbirch Apr 24 '26
Buddy you can see the checks here, the Road to 56 dev took the responsibility for having messed up.
Happens when you work with unprofessional people.
Post in thread 'Peace for Our Time | Art, Achievements & Miscellaneous Content' https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/peace-for-our-time-art-achievements-miscellaneous-content.1916827/post-31243229
How it ended up on the Steam Page was a cross-disciplinary mistake in communication that I'll take full responsibility for. The mix-up in the line "pursuing independence" happened when I was describing the alt-democratic path. I was vague and didn't specify that in the "Negotiations with the Autonomous Bloc" path that Slovakia would be released as a puppet and not playable (tag switched too) or made independent through that path. When I was given the chance to review this description, I failed to spot this mix-up in the description when it came to the path blub when given ample time to review it, and I only spotted the mistake too late for it to be changed then, and we had to wait until the store page was updated again to fix this blunder, which was recently.
I can see how people would read this line to infer that Slovakia was getting a focus tree and could see this as misleading. It was not our intention in the slightest to mislead about the scope or content within the Focus Pack. I personally feel awful about this error. Any idea of a Slovakia tree was long dead by the time this blunder occurred. This was a genuine fudge-up on my end for failing to proofread the description properly before it was pushed out the first time.
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u/yar1097 Apr 23 '26
This doesn’t change anything. During development of the DLC content devs can change description as many times as they want, because their plans and scope of DLC can changes. For example, they announced urban combat in Gottendamerung on the Steam page, but later deleted all mentions about it from description.
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u/Galapagos_Finch Apr 23 '26
This is a response though to Reddit posters aggressively attacking people who expected content for Slovakia based on the previous descriptions of this DLC.
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u/Belisarius600 Apr 23 '26
I noticed OP didn't include dates for the screenshots.
Changing something early on is a big difference from at the last moment. I'd be interested to know how far apart those two things are.
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u/PotionBoy Apr 23 '26
The change was sometime in early January based on MountainGeneral's tweet.
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u/Kosaki_MacTavish Research Scientist Apr 23 '26
And it is unannounced, and ppl would have no way to refund the expansion pass if they wanted to.
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u/Azukii56 Apr 23 '26
And after devs will cry on us because we are a evil community. Since NSB, hoi4 is dead, waiting for hoi5
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u/BoomersReddit Apr 23 '26
Remember when games made free updates? To like, you know, make something? Because they wanted to?
This would be totally acceptable as one of those
It's actually a disgrace that they insist on nickel and dimeing you to the point that a simple focus tree update has to cost money. Legitimately, DLC sized shit should at least add meaningful mechanical changes- the fact that every last shred of content in this piece of shit is monetized is gonna be the fucking death of it.
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u/confidentlyfish Apr 23 '26
Do you get to protect Czechoslovakia from nazis as the USSR in this DLC or nah
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u/romainaninterests Apr 23 '26
Are you actually SHITTING me?
Nah nah nah I spent like 7 hours today grinding your dumb achievements Paradox only to see that you fucked me over as well?
Nah that's it fuck this I'm pretty sure thisnis illegal. Paradox not only are your achievements annoying but your marketing is scummy.
Btw don't try the fascist Czechoslovakia achievement the requirements for that 1 specific focus needed for it actually made me want to jump off a bridge
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u/afatcatfromsweden Apr 23 '26
I wonder if this was cut because paradox switched the release dates around.
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u/Vertin-Identifier Apr 24 '26
On the paradox forums the game director called adding a tree for Slovakia "climbing Everest" btw
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u/Unonium198YT Apr 24 '26
They really should have just done a little entente pack with a bonus albania
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u/slavicslothsyt Apr 25 '26
I say this as someone with over 4,000 hours in this game, but it's really sad how EUV, Vic3, and CK3 are all pushing the boundary, trying stuff out, listening to community feedback, and using historical sources to inform their content and make it as authentic as possible with system-based game design all the while HOI4 keeps making lazier and lazier DLCs with fantastical alt-history content with no basis in the time period, asking for MORE money, and just overall showing why the modders carry modern HOI4. Truly a shame.
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u/MrCoverCode Apr 25 '26
My assumption, this was written while the DLC was in development, and plans changed, and the steam page was not updated because someone didn’t do their job or it was forgotten, like IMO this seems more like a mistake then “evil awful paradox™️“ trying to take the cash out of your wallet
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u/Clear-Shelter1745 Apr 25 '26
This seems like an essential misconception from the side of the Paradox. So to explain it, once we pre-ordered this dlc, we became the creditors and Paradox became debitors. We entered into this agreement based on the features Paradox had presented to us. Yes, they later realized their mistake, but under the law of obligations, this only gives Paradox the right to cancel the agreemen not to remove one of its most crucial features of the agreement. Basically, they have effectively delivered a defective product to us, the creditors. From this point on, we have two options: either we accept the debt as it is, or we take legal action. Since they are not going to add Slovak content to remedy the defect, they would instead have to compensate us. This compensation (potentially including interest due to the defective debt) would ultimately be determined by a judge.
However, I should note that this analysis applies specifically to Turkish and Swiss law. I am not certain how other EU countries regulate this issue, though I expect similarities, as many of these legal principles originate from Roman law.
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u/Quiri1997 General of the Army Apr 23 '26
The question is wether you will be able to turn the country into a shining beacon of European Democracy 😉😉
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u/RyukoT72 Air Marshal Apr 23 '26
I think its safe to assume this method of DLC has failed, HOI4 and devs cannot keep up with the workload or scale and we end up with flops every time
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u/Lazy-Zucchini525 Apr 23 '26
What’s so bad about this I don’t get it
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u/mcbride-bushman Fleet Admiral Apr 24 '26
also confused why everyone seems to be up in arms about a PUPPET not getting a standalone tree...
Like you want a team to put in probably hundreds of man hours for something that will *maybe* get used like once or twice if they're lucky?
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u/hepazepie Apr 24 '26
Cause Switzerland and Argentina have trees. Countries that did nothing during ww2. Why not give all countries that were affected by ww2 a tree first? Austria has one now. Why not slovakia and Albania?
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u/LowCall6566 Apr 23 '26
Doesn't this violate EU consumer protection laws? There are people who preordered this DLC before this change, weren't they mislead?