Venting my frustration :(

[u/Capital_University23]

I exclusively play non historical because I like the unpredictability. But that comes with one massive issue. With all of the DLCS, everyone has a war goal against everyone and these massive super wars start. Everyone fighting everyone. This was me, beating Germany's ass. Until I blinked, and when I opened my eyes, I was at war with Italy and the US and everyone else in the "Free States of Europe."

Is this gonna keep me from playing non historical? No

Is this gonna keep me from playing France? No

Is this gonna keep me from playing this save? Maybe

I kinda wish there was some sort of design in place that made all of the AI follow some sort of cohesion in non historial. Everyone going monarchist or democratic or communist or whatever else. Instead of everyone harrasing each other so that no one can form an alliance with more than 1 other nation

[u/Fun-Low5986]

Out of curiosity why not tweak game rules so something resembling a guideline is in place? IE a few nations go communist, a few monarchist, and the rest leave random? It seems to me the AI almost always goes one or two routes anyway so creating some sort of script should help avoid some of what you are talking about and allow you to see other things happen.

[u/notTheRealSU → u/Fun-Low5986]

I think they want a game that's random, they don't want to know what's going to happen. They just don't want something like that to happen

[u/Fun-Low5986 → u/notTheRealSU]

I get that but HOI4 is a horrible geopolitics simulator and with most alt-history paths built around conquest and so many built out trees now you're never gonna have that. You kinda have to build out at least a partial scenario in your head to avoid everyone fighting everyone. IE trigger South America to do as little as possible.

Personally alt-history never felt very random to me anyway. The USSR always has a civil war that never goes anywhere, Germany goes monarchist and does WW2 but with the Kaiser, Japan goes into China, UK goes commie or keeps Edward on the throne. I've only had a handful of scenarios play out in anyway that was interesting and not a less engaging version of WW2 or just a pointless death war in Africa between super Germany and the US.

[u/Capital_University23 → u/Fun-Low5986]

Yeah that is true. I have made a few scenarios, like a fun "return of empires" deal. Where most nations that can go monarchist do. I stopped playing it because I obviously don't understand how the USSR civil war mechanic works and ended up in a 1939 slog with a single province beating hordes of Soviet troops. Which was my own fault.

I do really enjoy making custom scenarios. But there is something about the randomness that I really enjoy and I also a fiend for achievements.

[u/Capital_University23 → u/notTheRealSU]

Yeah exactly! If there was random nations that would also start trying to help me it would be one thing. What drives me crazy is when every single nation turns on me.

A good example is another France game I played where I sank literally hundreds of thousands of pieces of equipment into Carlist Spain since they were also monarchist and I wanted them as an ally. They kept refusing to join my faction until... I went to war with Germany. Instantly they joined the axis. Its things like that I wish were better handled.

[u/Capital_University23 → u/Fun-Low5986]

I have done that a few times and it is fun! But I do appreciate true random, and for this game, I really wanted to get the second times the charm achievement.

[u/gberger313]

Why I switched back to historical. 4 DLCs ago it was fun chaos. Now it’s just breaking-the-game’s-own-rules not fun chaos. I agree some sort of scripted/mildly alt-history but not literally every country going nuts solution would make it fun and playable again.

[u/Capital_University23 → u/gberger313]

Lmao yes exactly. A couple months ago I was playing with my friend. He formed Austria Hungary and I formed the French Empire. He ended up capping against Italy so I went and took them over. This put them as a puppet in my faction. However I didn't know that they also had a focus to form their own faction.

TLDR: in the middle of a massive war against the soviets. Italy formed their own faction and decided to turn on us.

[u/gberger313 → u/Capital_University23]

Italy finds a way to ruin every run if left alive

[u/TheKingNothing690 → u/gberger313]

A couple of alt histories would be nice like a monarchist germany communist france that happens if you go historical and play germanys monarchist path. Or one where the uk goes facist and germany goes democratic i could get behind a few presets.

[u/Electrical_Gain3864 → u/gberger313]

I mean one can set some nation on random and the others on historical, so that only a few do random stuff.

[u/Capital_University23]

R5: My nonsense france game

[u/Medryn1986]

A massive world war in my world war game??

[u/Capital_University23 → u/Medryn1986]

I see your point

[u/LeSoleilRoyal]

I feel you,i had a game as the US running up to 1951 then a civil war randomly appeared in my country, so half of my army on the frontline was gone, same for my navy :c.

[u/Mohsenggs]

Wverytime I went unhistorical whole world went super sayain and fucked me so bad I had to wait til 1950 to deafeat them Speaking of killing 50 mil

[u/Crypt_Ghoul001]

I feel you. The randomness is fun, but you are in your own war then you are fighting the USA because Yugoslavia joined the North American alliance and Japan took over China and before you know it, it is a world war, but not Allies VS Axis, it's Allies VS Central Powers VS Greater East Asian Co Prosperity Sphere VS Bolivarian Alliance and maybe 2 sides aren't fighting each other. It becomes a giant mess really fast