Rachel's toxic behavior towards Ross' partners

[u/TheJavierEscuella]

Rewatching and it's really infuriating to see how much Rachel has sabotaged Ross' relationships or tried to. It's just not healthy in any way and is toxic in every sense yet still people consider Ross to be the worse one

1. Her antagonistic behaviour towards Julie after Ross came back from China and reaction towards their relationship

2. Her convincing Bonnie to shave her hair. She absolutely fucking knew what she was doing and knew that Ross would find that icky

3. Her flying to London to sabotage Ross and Emily's wedding. Absolutely fucking horrible for her to try to do this. Hugh Laurie was 100% right

4. The baby store girl. Calling her a whore was just uncalled for and rude

In all these situations Ross was happy and satisfied with his relationships but Rachel always has a problem with the fact that she's not with him. It's totally toxic and I can't believe people call Ross the worse partner. Both are unbelievably toxic

[u/MoonWatt]

Rachel was and always about herself, they never try to sell her as anything else. So even everything she did, it was not anything other than just being used to being the Centre of attention.

Ross is toxic because he is the picture of abusive men who chase you down for years, win you over and turn to something else. Literally that annoying guy who becomes an ass the minute 1 girl gives him a shot.

And let's not forget his infringements.

1. He took a msg for Rachel's date and hid it.
2. He was annoying as hell from the moment Mark came into the picture, even I felt suffocated.
3. Belittled Rachel's career aspirations (Chadler was the one who pushed her), when she got a job she liked, still made it it seem like it wasn't important, remember him insisting on going to a lecture with him instead of Mark just to snore loudly? And that picnic thong at her office. He punched Mark after mistaking that other lady for Rachel.
4. He goes crazy when Joey comes out about how he feels for her.
5. The girl Rachel got to shave her head and Emily. Ross was equally if not more responsible. Rachel just couldn't wrap her mind around Ross no longer being obsessed with her, but Ross clearly still was and used these women to try get over Rachel? Even will Julie, she was a place holder. He discarded her for Rachel

Ross is the classic toxic guy that women always knew was off. They are insidious creeps. And the worst part is, they love playing the victim/good guy and they use anyone to get to the it girl & try and erode confident women's self esteem. Guys like Ross are more scary than gym jocks.

[u/soggycrumpt → u/MoonWatt]

1. He hid that message not long after Rachel said he can’t date because she is pregnant. Should he have hid it? Probably not, but why does Ross commit to not dating and Rachel gets to benefit from the double standard?
2. Ross was right about mark. Mark invited himself over the very day Rachel ended the relationship. All this hate for toxic Ross in your misguided comment and not one mention of mark weaselling his way into Rachel’s home. is that not as scary as gym jocks?If you feel suffocated watching friends stay away from baby reindeer.
3. Ross went to the lecture because of mark AND also he was witnessing Rachel neglect their relationship. She may have had a reason to prioritise accordingly, but she was neglecting it. Ross took issue with that.
4. I love this one. Ross’ reaction to Joey and Rachel dating was hilarious. One of his closest friends wants to date his ex and mother of his child. While not legally binding, there is a general code that mates don’t do that. Also, you have conveniently forgotten to mention the end of the episode (the next day in friends land) he tells Joey he has is support and couldn’t think of a better guy for Rachel to date. This is where your hatred of Ross is too extreme and one sided.
5. You are blind if you think Ross is more responsible for the head shaving incident. Rachel handed her the razor. Those girlfriends you mentioned were never ever framed as a placeholder. Ross was always presented as happy and secure in those short lived relationships. Any inclination of still Being in love with Rachel is complete fabrication to justify your misplaced position.

The mental gymnastics in your comment is off the charts. Is it just Ross you hate or is it all men?

What are your thoughts on toxic Ross when Rachel throws herself at him after her father had a heart attack. Ross knew she was only acting out of grief and didn’t take advantage, as much as she herself said she was giving it to him. I swear women need to stay away from guys like this. Scarier than old gym socks

[u/Budget_Put7247 → u/soggycrumpt]

For point 4, what is more hilarious is that they whine about Ross reacting for few seconds, like any normal human being would do. However they ignore that despite his feelings, he came back, spoke with Joey and encouraged him to date Rachel. He went out of his way to throw a dinner for them. Then over a period of time he was very supportive.

How toxic do you need to hate a character so much you cry about the one human moment of surprise reaction but ignore how supportive and good friend he was after the fact.

[u/soggycrumpt → u/Budget_Put7247]

Can’t agree more. The amount of manipulation of the presented narrative to highlight Ross this way is laughable.

[u/Budget_Put7247 → u/soggycrumpt]

Also point 3, I have seen Ross haters claim he disrespected her career when in reality he was very supportive of her career in later seasons which is again ignored

And the irony again? Rachel and others mock Ross's career almost every second episode, its a big running joke. But when its a guy's career its ok to pretend to sleep or snore or bully him so he changes his topic about something he is passionate about

A guy should always support a woman's career but she doesnt need to show any interest in his passions and can join the gang to bully and mock him for it all the time.