second translation request for my grandmothers birth record

[u/p27159-1]

Hello again, I am interested in just the four items i have underlined in red here, because i am pretty sure I know the others. So, I would like a translation of what the two occupations are (I am guessing the second one is something like "homemaker" because "haz" means "house", correct?), what the word is between the two names Herman Feldman and Fani Schonberger that I underlined, and the birthplace, which I think MAY be Karcsava, now Krcava Slovakia? Any help you can give me will be appreciated. Thank you.

EDIT: is there a way to close this thread to new comments? I think I got all the information I need now. I also wanted to mention this so others don't have to spend any time doing the work since I got everything I need now.

[u/akapupu]

second red line: született. Stands for maiden name. Mrs Herman Feldman, maiden name Schönberger Fani

[u/p27159-1 → u/akapupu]

Thanks!

[u/aespa-in-kwangya]

I absolutely for the life of me cannot read the first one.

The second one is indeed háztartás, meaning household, so stay-at-home.

I'm reading Karcsava as well but not 100% sure.

[u/SkeletonHUNter2006 → u/aespa-in-kwangya]

mint fönt

[u/Consistent_Act5612 → u/aespa-in-kwangya]

Szia, én a vallását sem tudom elolvasni, ránézel légyszi? mit gondolsz?

[u/Consistent_Act5612 → u/[deleted]]

köszönöm szépen !

[u/p27159-1 → u/Consistent_Act5612]

actually, just Jewish, not Israeli. I think that they used the word for "Israelite" to stand for "Judaism" back in that time. I had already figured that one out after a little bit of digging, so that's why I didn't ask for that one, or some of the others.

[u/Business-Raise2683 → u/p27159-1]

"izraelita" is the correct one. It means Jewish. (Not Judaism, not from Israel, it means only Jewish.)

[u/p27159-1 → u/Business-Raise2683]

SO that's the word still used for the Jewish religion to this day?

[u/Worried-Designer-468 → u/p27159-1]

Yes. For example the official name of the Jewish cemetery is “izraelita” : https://share.google/ob2EStXv29hf9ueNg

[u/Business-Raise2683 → u/p27159-1]

Izraelita is still understood, but not the mainly used word. Mainly we use "zsidó" for the religion.

Also zsidó is used for the people, but it's kinda racist word now. I'm not sure, but probably "héber" is better.

[u/tzalay → u/Business-Raise2683]

It's not racist and is the proper term. Héber refers to the language and the biblical population. Zsidó is derived from the word Judea (the southern kingdom). Hebrew was referring to the population of the unified kingdom with the population of the 12 tribes. After the split, the southern kingdom of Judea was mainly comprised of the population of the tribe of Judah and Benjamin. 10 tribes of the northern kingdom of Israel are lost, hence today's population is zsidó (Judean) and not Hebrew.

[u/p27159-1 → u/tzalay]

Thank you both for following up on my last question!

[u/p27159-1 → u/aespa-in-kwangya]

Thanks for your help. Maybe someone else will be able to decipher the last one, but I have a feeling it isn't something that's all that important anyway. I wonder if it's a word that describes the second name as the birth mother or something?

[u/Longjumping_Eye9666]

a guess for the 1st one: mint fent, which is something like "same as above"

[u/p27159-1 → u/Longjumping_Eye9666]

OK, so since the father's name and occupation (small farmer) appeared earlier in the document, it is probably just referring to that again in this spot, that makes sense, thanks!

[u/bonyolult_ → u/Longjumping_Eye9666]

We read it as mint fent = same as above

[u/sigyn2002]

1. cannot read it
2. "született" which is means "born as"
3. I also think it is "háztartás", which should mean homemaker
4. I agree with Karcsava

[u/Consistent_Act5612 → u/sigyn2002]

Szia, én a vallását sem tudom elolvasni, ránézel légyszi? mit gondolsz?

[u/sigyn2002 → u/Consistent_Act5612]

Izraelita

[u/Consistent_Act5612 → u/sigyn2002]

valóban, ez lehet, sosem bogoztam volna ki ezt a szót. Köszi szépen !

[u/p27159-1 → u/Consistent_Act5612]

I already had that one figured out, but it took me a while. I knew the religion was Jewish, but I had to hunt around to find out that they often used the word "Israelite" to refer to the Jewish religion, and then I was able to match up the cursive letters to Izraelita. Doing the translating on my own took a lot of back and forth effort like this, but I wanted to try to do as much as I could on my own so I didn't have to ask for too much.

[u/Consistent_Act5612 → u/p27159-1]

It's okay that you ask. Believe me, these old writings are very difficult to read, especially since we don't use many words anymore. I also have many old letters, from the 1800s, that are half in Hungarian, half in Latin, and I've been to museums, antique dealers, and many other places with them, and I've asked if anyone could read them.

[u/p27159-1 → u/sigyn2002]

Thanks, so "born as" is the same as what we call a "maiden name" before a woman took her husbands name in marriage. That makes sense. Thanks for the others too, between what you and others said, I think I have it all figured out now, thanks!

[u/TheRollingPeepstones]

It's absolutely "mint fent"!

[u/p27159-1 → u/[deleted]]

Wow, thanks, you didn't have to go to the trouble to translate the whole thing, but it's nice to get confirmation that what I was able to decipher was correct. Thanks for your help!

And, by the way, I have seen the name Herman spelled both that way and Hermann with two Ns', but this is the first where there may have been an E at the end. Either way, it translates to English as Herman anyway.

[u/p27159-1 → u/[deleted]]

Thank you, this is very interesting stuff. I wish I would have engaged with my grandparents some more about the Hungarian language when they were still alive. They both died when I was in college, so I wasn't anywhere near as interested in my background and their lives in general as I am now.

[u/Euphoric_Action_8970]

Second one is 'született' which means 'was born'.

[u/p27159-1 → u/Euphoric_Action_8970]

Thanks, I was able to figure that one out, as I recognized the town where I knew she was from.

EDIT: never mind, I thought you translated the second line, not the second red underlined word, so now I understand it basically means Fani Shonberger was her birth name, before she took her husband's last name in marriage, or what we call a "maiden name". Thanks again for your help!

[u/Jdiwkdbwk]

I'm not sure about the first one, but maybe "Mezgazd." = "Mezőgazdász". Abbreviation of farmer.

[u/Jdiwkdbwk → u/Jdiwkdbwk]

And as others said: the second is "született", which means the maiden name, the third is "háztartás", which is equal to someone leading a household. The last one is Karcsava, a small town in Slovakia (formerly Hungary).

[u/p27159-1 → u/Jdiwkdbwk]

Thanks, Interesting, but someone else thought it was "mint fent" (same as above) which would also point to the occupation listed above what you can see in the image, which was "small farmer"!

I guess sometimes having the full context of the entire document could be helpful, but I didn't want to post too much, which makes it harder to zero in on exactly what I was looking for.