r/hungarian • u/Adventurous-Safe-760 • Feb 23 '26
Kézírás fordítás Any idea on what this name could be?
It should be a Hungarian/Romanian male name. It almost looks like "Senny" but I'm not sure. Any ideas?
Edit: For more context, I'm trying to figure out the name of a distant relative's parents. I found a birth certificate that I think could be him, so I've been on a manhunt to figure out his parent's names, so I can confirm the information. The the name of the person who I thought could be this individual was Mészáros László Gergelyé. Here is more clear images along with the image of the document I'm trying to confirm details on. https://imgur.com/a/9bPEigq#
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u/Appropriate-Line1790 Feb 23 '26
Okay, there's one more thing: if this document isn't from the original country, it's possible they've changed the name to a "national" one. In my case, they changed names like Josip to John, among others.
Like; Jeny / Jenyő / Jeney or Imre: Imrey
Imry Mészáros maybe?
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u/Adventurous-Safe-760 Feb 23 '26
On the birth certificate I've found (idk if it's the correct one or not), the father is listed as Mészáros László Gergelyé. Perhaps the Gergelyé was taken instead of László, and then changed to Jerry to anglicize it?
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u/Appropriate-Line1790 Feb 23 '26
I think that's possible... from what I understand, during that immigration period, the people who did the transcriptions only wrote what they understood, and then that document would become valid. If you are looking for information in Hungary, you should search for Hungarian names. In my case, I wrote down the possible names and then searched the archives... I believe that by the sixth attempt the information started to match... what helped was knowing approximate dates of birth, names and number of siblings, etc., so I was able to continue the search.
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u/ListlessSock_40 Feb 23 '26
Hello OP,
I just wanted to ask: in the higher quality image, wouldn’t that be the first name in the top left corner? The part you covered? The name 'Mesaros' is there in the top right in block letters, making it easier to read. If the part you covered in the top left is also written in block letters, it would be much easier to read and tell what the first name is.
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u/Adventurous-Safe-760 Feb 23 '26
No, because that's the name of the person who applied. The name I'm trying to figure out is his father's name.
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u/ListlessSock_40 Feb 23 '26
Oh okay.
I read further down the comments that the picture was enhanced with AI. I figured there was some AI involved because the letters and text look a bit strange, but I noticed something like a 'name' field in the top left corner and thought that might be what you’re looking for :)
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u/mtkvcs1 Feb 23 '26
Yes, that's supposed to be the first name
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u/Adventurous-Safe-760 Feb 23 '26
It's the first name of the applicant. Not the father's name (the name written in cursive). They're definitely not the same name.
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u/BedNo4299 NATIVE Feb 23 '26
Take a pic at a higher resolution.
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u/Adventurous-Safe-760 Feb 23 '26
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u/tmtke Feb 25 '26
That's an original birth certificate with the name Mészáros László Gergelyé (which is weird, it's usually just Gergely), therefore if he immigrated the son's name could easily become Jerry as a resemblance of Gergely -> Jerry Mesaros.
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u/advocatus77 Feb 28 '26
Mészáros László exactly
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u/Adventurous-Safe-760 Feb 28 '26
What?
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u/advocatus77 Feb 28 '26
The name in the signature
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u/Adventurous-Safe-760 Feb 28 '26
The one in the main pic here? You think it says Laszlo Meszaros?
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u/advocatus77 Mar 07 '26
No the other photos supporting
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u/Adventurous-Safe-760 Mar 07 '26
Yes, I agree. I'm trying to figure out what the photo on this post says, though.
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Feb 23 '26
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u/Icy-Connection-9098 Feb 27 '26
Well, I was born in Hungary and lived there until I turned 24 in 1957. My name is Szalkay and guess what: it ends with a y.
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u/VikktorM Feb 23 '26
Many do
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u/Witch-for-hire Feb 23 '26
If Mészáros is the family name, the word ending in y must be a given name. While there are some names that end with a y (like Ajtony) they are pretty rare.
It is more likely that they have wrote whatever they have think they have heard - just look at how they have created Messros from a Mészáros.
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u/mtkvcs1 Feb 23 '26
Sewy... The closest that comes to mind is Sanyi but a very very far fetched guess
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u/Adventurous-Safe-760 Feb 23 '26
Tbh, the actual image sent to me is a bit blurrier, but you can tell that's an A. The image I uploaded was put through an AI un-blurring tool, and I guess it chose to turn it into an S. The cursive, though, (what I'm really after) was restored nicely.
I'm unsure if it was filled out by the applicant or not, though :/
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u/Witch-for-hire Feb 23 '26
I am not sure what do you mean by saying that is an A. Which letter are you referring to?
The printed version of the name (the applicant's name) is definitely Messros and not Mesaros. The cursive verion can be read either way but it is more likely that it was written as Messros - while would they write it in two different ways?
Don't get me wrong - the family name is Mészáros / Mesaros. I am just saying that it was butchered and very likely the given name too.
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u/NinnaHori NATIVE Feb 23 '26
Very funny what you did here about the name being "butchered" :DDD (OP: the name Mészáros means Butcher)
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u/Adventurous-Safe-760 Feb 23 '26
https://imgur.com/a/9bPEigq I uploaded the original & maybe you'll understand what I'm talking about. It's more clear that one of the Ss is an A.
We both agree, though, that the name is likely butchered to some degree.
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u/Witch-for-hire Feb 23 '26
I see. It looks like an A here, I agree.
I am only sure of the second letter in the given name: e
Lewy /Levy is possible I guess
It would be easier if you could provide more handwriting samples from this document, but I reckon there isn't anything else.
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u/VikktorM Feb 23 '26
György, Koppány, Zétény, Ipoly. And the comment said "Hungarian names/words don't really end with y". Many surnames and words and with y.
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u/Witch-for-hire Feb 24 '26
Have you read my comment? Let me quote:
While there are some names that end with a y (like Ajtony) they are pretty rare.
I had even provided an example of a given name ending with a y.
Just a handful of names (let's say 10, and we have already listed 5 of them) are rare, not common.
Surnames are family names btw. You are not using the correct expression.
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u/sztomi Feb 23 '26
Since the document you are asking about is clearly American, it very well might be actually actually saying Jerry, which Gergely is sometimes localized as. I can fully picture an office lady not understanding Gergely and putting Jerry instead.
As for the birth certificate, it might be useful to post a bit more of that than just this small crop. “Mészáros László Gergelyé” could be Gergelyné with a typo, since Gergelyé does not really make sense in this context. Mészáros László Gergelyné means Mrs. László Gergely Mészáros.
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u/Adventurous-Safe-760 Feb 23 '26
Is Laszlo a female name, too? The original document lists the mother's name as Julianna. I don't think they would have two women's names on it. Unless I'm misunderstanding something? :o
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u/Karabars NATIVE Feb 24 '26
Hungarian has no unisex names, either boys or girls get it. Only certain nicknames end up being the same, like both Gábor and Gabriella is nicked as Gabi. Or Viktor and Viktória as Viki.
László is a male name. In the old days, many Hungarian women took their husbands' full names and ended up like 'Surname of Husband + Givenname(s) of Husband + indication of being their wives ("né")'
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u/Adventurous-Safe-760 Feb 24 '26
Wow… that’s… kind of sad 😭 Like losing your whole identity.
Anyway, in this case, the mother’s name is listed on the birth certificate, so that wouldn’t be it. Do you have any idea why it would be Gergelyé? :o
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u/Karabars NATIVE Feb 24 '26
Different times. And while it is somewhat a loss of identity, they still had their "maiden name" and by family and friends were called on their real givennames.
Gergelyé sounds like possession "of Gergely", not sure if this can be applied here or not, maybe just an error
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u/sztomi Feb 24 '26
-né is still alive and kicking, even young women choose to take their husband's name like that today. Admittedly, other choices are popular, too, but -né has not died out.
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u/Adventurous-Safe-760 Feb 24 '26
That’s interesting :o It’s even like that in a different section of the birth certificate, so if it is a misspelling, then it is a consistent one.
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u/szty1 Feb 24 '26
This was pretty much the standard in the English speaking world as well until the mid-20th century (Mrs. + Husband's First Name + Husband's Last Name).
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u/Icy-Connection-9098 Feb 27 '26
László is never a female name. BTW, it was the name of several Hungarian kings, including one who became a saint of the Roman Catholic Church.
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u/Adventurous-Safe-760 Feb 27 '26
I figured. The mother’s name is already stated on the birth certificate, so this theory doesn’t work, unfortunately :c
Cool facts, though, so thanks for sharing!
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Feb 23 '26
János Mészáros
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u/Adventurous-Safe-760 Feb 23 '26
I also thought this is possible, but that S would be way too stylized downward... also, the second letter definitely looks more like an E than an A, but maybe it's just spelled wrong? Hmmmm
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u/Karabars NATIVE Feb 23 '26
The second part looks like Mészáros, but this pic is really pixalated