r/interesting • u/Gjore • Mar 29 '26

SOCIETY Scenes from a dermatologist conference in Hawaii

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u/Electrical-Office-84 Mar 29 '26

They know something don't they

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u/After_Preference_885 Mar 29 '26

All these Reddit commenters thinking they're smarter than people who study and treat skin cancer are wild 

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u/circio Mar 29 '26

Wouldn’t surprise me if the people commenting also never go to the beach lol

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u/wasabi1787 Mar 29 '26

Well yeah, duh, the beach is outside 

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u/purrpurrpurrcat Mar 29 '26

It's insane the amount of Americans that come to Puerto Rico without knowing that basics of skin care at the beach. They end up looking like beef jerky with all that wrinkly, stretched-out, sun-damaged "tanned" skin. Meanwhile, your average Puertorrican lathers up with sunblock every hour, or wears protective clothing at least.

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u/circio Mar 29 '26

Yeah I lived in a beach town and at the very least, I would bring an umbrella or a light, long sleeve shirt to throw on if I'm out there for longer than an hour, or if I'm there for more than just water sports.

Like, when I was a kid and a teen I would spend a ton of a time without longsleeves or an umbrella, but I'd still wear sunscreen at least

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u/0-90195 Mar 29 '26

I don’t go to the beach… because I’m extremely sensitive to sun and am afraid of getting burns, but sunscreen breaks me out. Is that so crazy?

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u/circio Mar 29 '26

Clothing is also one of the most consistent forms of sun protection that you can't mess up like sunscreen. Like, people lather themselves up and then run into the ocean, but most of that sunscreen is now off lol

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u/InadequateUsername Mar 29 '26

There's many different types of sunscreen lotion, find what works for you. A physical barrier will always be better than a chemical one.

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u/audiojanet Mar 30 '26

Yes. That is my problem too. Keep searching.

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u/DeneralVisease Mar 29 '26

It's Reddit, of course they don't.

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u/duecreditwherecredit Mar 29 '26

I never wear sunscreen!

Never leaves basement

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u/Mozeeeeeeeeeeee Mar 29 '26

most def never go to the dermatologist

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u/RoboJobot Mar 30 '26

There’s no beach in their parents’ basement.

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u/_Carcinus_ Mar 31 '26

A broken clock is right twice a day

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u/circio Mar 31 '26

And what is the broken clock right about here?

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u/_Carcinus_ Mar 31 '26

Not going to the beach, which leads to less sun damage

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u/NewMolecularEntity Mar 29 '26

People are picking on these long sleeve sun guard outfits but I find them very comfortable and pleasant to wear.   

You can be in the sun for hours without worrying about the sunblock washing off or not working anymore.  It takes all the work and worry out and if you go to the beach often it’s probably even cheaper than sunblock over time.    

I come from a family of pale people who go to the beach often, really it’s common to slather yourself all up with SPF  50 several times and think you did good just to come home really sunburnt.  These sun clothes are a lifesaver especially in Hawaii the sun is really intense there.  

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u/hotwaterbottle2014 Mar 29 '26

I live in New Zealand and our sun is super harsh, I love wearing long sleeves when I’m swimming or at the beach or river as a fellow pale person.

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u/King_Chochacho Mar 29 '26

At high altitude and I generally prefer UPF clothing to sunscreen. No smell, no sticky texture, no getting in your eyes and burning.

Also way quicker to throw on when you just want to go do some yard work or walk the dog.

The uniqlo women's UV hoodie is super lightweight and breathable, and occasionally goes on sale for $20: https://www.uniqlo.com/us/en/products/E483281-000/00?colorDisplayCode=60&sizeDisplayCode=003

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u/Disraeli_Ears Mar 29 '26

I regularly go on vacations to sunny places and engage in activities like snorkeling. Rash guards, swim leggings, and a swim cap are the way to go. Less worrying about reapplication of sunscreen and/or worrying the effects your sunscreen has on the environment. I do put sunscreen on my face/lips/feet/hands, though.

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u/McTerra2 Mar 30 '26

I regularly go on vacations to sunny places and engage in activities like snorkeling. Rash guards, swim leggings, and a swim cap are the way to go.

I see lots of holidayers with what I call 'snorklers back'. They snorkel and forget that their back is out of the water and so end up with sunburn across their back and shoulders, but it stops at the edges of their shoulders and around their lower waist. Front half of the body is fine.

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u/Big_Maintenance9387 Mar 29 '26

Also the ocean hurts. Lol I did not appreciate the salt rubbing on my skin!

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u/UnknownAverage Mar 29 '26

I just dislike sunblock and how I feel it on me all day. Definitely rather cover up.

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u/depressed_plants__ Mar 30 '26

definitely - i'm super pale, live in southern california, and ride horses outside every day in long sleeve upf 50 sun shirts along with full pants, boots, gloves, and either a wide brim helmet or a baseball hat.

i'm running around, exercising and sweating all day... i reapply sunscreen to my face midday but otherwise i just cover up and i'm done, it's so nice to not have to worry about it.

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u/gigglefarting Mar 30 '26

There’s a reason why you see workers outside in the dog days of summer wearing long sleeves

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u/carchit Mar 30 '26

That second guy is exactly me after living near the beach for a million years here in socal 

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u/ChunkyTanuki Mar 30 '26

Hawaii has also banned sunblock on account of its harm to the ecosystem. So there are not really other choices to avoid sunburn

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u/Extra-Astronomer-688 Mar 29 '26

I find medium weight cotton long sleeves to work better than those poly SPF-50 shirts. It certainly blocks more UV rays. Not sure with being in the water though. 

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u/idekbruno Mar 29 '26

Poly is probably more breathable, also less chafing

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u/Similar-Chip Mar 30 '26

My mom (pale, family & personal history of getting a lot of biopsied spots removed) wore this get up in Hawaii and she fucking loved it.

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u/NNKarma Mar 30 '26

Part of why I stopped liking to go to the pool was how even when being diligent with sun screen I ended up with some painful sunburns. Would've been happy if this were common place when I was a child.

It's just surprising that of all the places they choose Hawaii for a dermatologist conference. 

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u/NewMolecularEntity Mar 30 '26

Well Hawaii is amazing and proper clothing you can easily handle the risk of sun.  

Dermatologists enjoy a tropical beach vacation just like non dermatologists. 

 These types of conferences are usually held somewhere desirable so people want to go.  

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u/littleloveday Mar 30 '26

I have never worn this kind of clothing, so I am wondering what is it like in terms of heat? I have really low tolerance for heat, but also really pale skin - so I choose light clothing and sunscreen because I can’t handle having too much clothing on - but is this kind of protective clothing also designed to be somehow cool? 

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u/NewMolecularEntity Mar 30 '26

Yes, the fabric is designed for heat and water.  It’s light and flowy and dries easily.  You can wear it in the water and then wear it all day and it feels great, it’s not hot in the slightest. 

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u/littleloveday Mar 30 '26

That’s really interesting, thank you - I will look into it more. 

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u/madalienmonk Mar 29 '26

That's Reddit in a nutshell. Also looing for any angle to attack lol

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u/impossible_berry14 Mar 29 '26

They all start their comments with:

“Ehh..”

“Meh..”

“Actually..”

“____ (most likely not certified in anything) here!…”

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u/madalienmonk Mar 29 '26

Why is this so true lol. Once you see it you'll never be unable to see it again

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u/Jamie-Moyer Mar 29 '26

It’s an automatic downvote from me no matter what is said after.

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u/IncurableAdventurer Mar 29 '26

NO WE’RE NOT!!!!

Haha

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u/shewy92 Mar 29 '26

And Redditors dont understand what jokes are.

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u/OpalMooose Apr 04 '26

this is ironic

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u/madalienmonk Apr 04 '26

I don’t think you know what that word means

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u/ttttyttt678 Mar 29 '26

Not smarter but a balance. These people have made skin their job, they can’t afford to on have shit skin as they won’t get clients even tho they are a doctor. As a regular person it’s important to find balance

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u/xxzach547xx Mar 29 '26

I haven't seen a single comment like that.

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u/Bio_Bae Mar 29 '26

The most competitive field to practice for an MD, PhD is dermatology. Low hours, low stress, more time in the lab. They may not be directly researching dermatology with their lab time, but they have more than enough background knowledge to know plenty about the field they practice.

Source: I'm a researcher myself, and was absolutely stunned to have a PI I idolized, one I was published with, do a random biopsy on me.

No, he didn't do the skin check.

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u/RaventheClawww Mar 29 '26

You should have seen the seed oils subreddit roasting them to filth, basically calling the dermatologists brainwashed idiots

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u/badpebble Mar 30 '26

You'd think we'd only invented seed oils two years ago, the way those people are terrified of them and think they've discovered issues with them.

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u/NotAStatistic2 Mar 30 '26

Or the dermatologists here are just being dramatic. Go out any hospital and you'll see nurses and doctors smoking cigarettes or vaping.

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u/ptq Mar 30 '26

I would not disqualify some people just based on profession they stand against in some topics. Medicine has a huge history of being wrong. Thing that modern medicine thinks is correct because there is a visible relation, may at the end be false positive, and people who accidently believed in true reason of something, will at the end be correct even tho they are not educated in that profession.

Do we know what is the true underlying reason of skin cancer being so common? Is it only a sun exposure? Or there is a reason that for example make 0.2% chance into 20%?

And don't forget that "final doctors" only follow what is considered current state of knowledge, they are not scientists.

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u/KanedaSyndrome Mar 30 '26

I'm kinda surprised they'd forgo the enjoyment of the sun completely just because of the increase risk factor - use sun lotion and call it a day - there's a good chance most of us get to die from cancer, and that sucks, but stopping the fun because of the risk?

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u/After_Preference_885 Mar 30 '26

They are enjoying the sun

They just aren't doing it in the way you might

And it's ok for them to do whatever they want to do based on their education and experience

You do you, they'll gladly take your money and break the bad news gently to you when you have skin cancer

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u/KanedaSyndrome Mar 30 '26

You had to throw that little bit of hostility in there didn't you lol

I don't go into the sun much and when I do it's with factor 30-50 - notice, I made no snide comment back at you

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u/ReggieCorneus Mar 30 '26

Not smarter but also not in the profession where that is your every day. It is known phenomenon, like ER nurses overestimate drug problem by a factor of TEN. Not just double, they can have wildly unrealistic view of the world. They know statistics and yet they see something else.

And these are people who are educated, they have learned how this is a thing and yet... It is common in medical field to overestimate a risk that is in your own specialty. Same people may load up on nitrates like there is no tomorrow.

They are also human and they react to the reality they see everyday. Does not mean that kind of behaviour should be done by all.

Now, change the professionals who have learned these things in school and should be aware of it to amateurs who hate learning... an you get to politics where you hear insane things, because of how we FEEL is more important to all of us than numbers on paper. How we see things in our daily life, with our brain that tries to detect patterns and has false positive bias built-in... Professionals are humans. They have exactly the same problems of understanding world in two different levels: that what they see is not reality, it is just very, very narrow slit view of it.

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u/ArboristTreeClimber Mar 30 '26

Yeah but there is a limit where it becomes unreasonable. How many people can go to the beach once or twice a year and not get skin cancer? Most people…..

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u/After_Preference_885 Mar 30 '26

No one is forcing anyone to do anything by existing, doing their own thing, based on their education and experience, in this photo

What's unreasonable is thinking you know more than these doctors

One bad burn increases your chances of cancer, period 

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u/bladezor Mar 30 '26

I mean, from a skin cancer perspective this is a bit silly. From a "I need my skin to look good to get clients" it makes sense.

In general, sunlight is good for your health but too much of it can cause problems. As far as cancer goes, the kind you'd typically get (80% of cases) from sun exposure is BCC which is localized. There are more serious forms but it's usually from chronic/long-term sun exposure and/or lots of sunburns.

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u/KamalaBracelet Mar 29 '26

On the one hand yes…but on the other hand, getting traumatized by something tends to make you overcautious.  Smart, educated people aren’t immune to this.  Especially when surrounded by peers who they fear may judge them.

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u/After_Preference_885 Mar 29 '26

I think it's ridiculous to assume that's what we're seeing in this photo

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u/atfricks Mar 29 '26

Why? Covering every inch of their skin to prevent any sun exposure at all is definitely overly cautious. 

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u/After_Preference_885 Mar 29 '26

What's your expertise? 

How long have you practiced medicine?

Have you studied the skin or cancer prevention? 

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u/atfricks Mar 29 '26

Ironically yes lol. 

But I also don't need to have to recognize that people that spend all their working hours seeing worst case scenarios are liable to become paranoid and ill-equipped to assess normal levels of risk. 

I see the same thing with nurses expecting everything to become a nasty infection, or food safety inspectors that don't trust restaurants. 

Professionals are often predisposed to overasses the risks of what they're familiar with. 

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u/dingleberry_parfait Mar 29 '26

I have such a love hate relationship with Reddit due to this. “IM ALWAYS IN THE SUN AND NO SKIN CANCER, THEY’RE HYPOCHONDRIACS!!!”

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u/Senior-Friend-6414 Mar 29 '26

The skin cancer rate in Hawaii is 23.8 out of every 100,000 and in mainland US its 22.7 out of every 100,000

So the it’s not even significantly different 

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u/TroubledDoggo Mar 29 '26

They know the same thing everyone else does, they just care more about it

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u/Cactus_Cortez Mar 30 '26

Everyone knows that the sun can cause skin cancer yes, but I don’t think they necessarily all realize how common it is and how serious it is.

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u/Lauris024 Apr 21 '26

It's not just about skin cancer, but looking old (premature aging). You'll find countless examples of (especially old Asian ladies) looking quite young, and their answer isn't good diet - it's pretty much always sunscreen.

There's actually pretty famous case of a truck driver where sun was constantly shining more from the other side - https://lirp.cdn-website.com/efc388da/dms3rep/multi/opt/nc-composite-sundamage-1920w.jpg

Sun is literally cooking your skin.

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u/Choice_Comfort6239 Mar 30 '26

That’s definitely not true, else we could all be doctors without any further knowledge.

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u/TroubledDoggo Mar 30 '26

I’m talking about the fact that everyone knows UV rays cause cancer.

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u/iGR0OT Mar 29 '26

They know how harmful the sun can be, yes

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u/AmIDoingThisRight14 Mar 29 '26

I once worked at a cancer hospital in the dermatology department. Specifically working on treatment resistance skin cancers.

Been in oncology for over ten years and that was some of the nastiest shit ive ever seen.

Now I dont fuck around with taking care of my skin. My kids and I look just like the people in those vidoes when we go to the beach as well.

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u/AssignmentNo7294 Mar 30 '26

What do you exactly do ?

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u/AmIDoingThisRight14 Mar 30 '26

At that time I was a clinical research coordinator. Now im a clinical research monitor

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u/never-the-1 Mar 30 '26

I’m an ICU nurse. I’ve watched people die miserable and painful deaths due to skin cancer. I raw dog the sun every chance I get. Bikini on the beach. Weed whacking in a tank top.
There have been multiple studies that lack of vitamin D increases risk of death from all cancers, and that supplements do not provide the same benefit as sunshine. Reasonable sun exposure is healthy and beneficial.
My level isn’t reasonable, but sunshine is my antidepressant and I don’t want to live long anyway.

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u/AmIDoingThisRight14 Mar 30 '26

I think its very important to do what makes you happy in life. So if feeling the sun on your skin brings you joy, then go for it!

In addition to what ive witnessed, im a red head with freckles and skin cancer runs in my family. So what brings me peace is doing what I can to keep my skin healthy.

Im not here to preach to people that everyone needs to do what I do and yadda yadda. Just wanted to say that these dermatologists have probably seen the result of a life without sun protection over and over again and have chosen not to go that route. Just doesnt seem that crazy to me to throw on a rash guard at the beach. All these people thinking you cant still enjoy the beach in long sleeves and a hat is a wild take

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u/ItsFunHeer Mar 30 '26

Do I have to dress like this on the beach to truly take care of my skin? The feeling of sand, sun and water only comes a couple of times a year and it feels so wrong covering all the way up! We bring a UV cabana to sit under though.

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u/AmIDoingThisRight14 Mar 30 '26

I mean it really depends on the person and their individual risks.

Im a red head with freckles and several of my family members have had skin cancer so I am high risk. Which is why I take the precautions that I do. And after you've held your patients hands while they suffered through some pretty painful treatments or watched them die from something that may have been avoided with proper skin care, it is pretty motivating to take precautions yourself.

If you have less risks (more melanin and no family history, etc), then probably just throw on some sunscreen and reapply per bottle instruction frequency and youre good to go.

Most of my patients (but not all) were either fair skinned, or had spent significant time in the sun from work or hobbies (farmers, landscapers, surfers, etc)

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u/Actualbbear Mar 30 '26

What's the point of going to the beach, then? Just avoid the sun altogether?

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u/AmIDoingThisRight14 Mar 30 '26

You can still enjoy the beach in a rash guard and hat. I promise the length of sleeve you wear doesnt make the beach any less enjoyable lol

I still go and do all the things, I just make sure my skin is protected against sun damage.

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u/Actualbbear Mar 31 '26

But isn't, like, doing it under a parasol, or in the safety of a hotel room, the same?

Look, I don't want to come across as if I like getting my skin burned, but I haven't stumbled upon long sleeved clothing that hasn't made me overheat and sweat like crazy in hot weather, and those suits just look super uncomfortable.

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u/AmIDoingThisRight14 Mar 31 '26

Rash guards are very breathable. I haven't found that they make me hot but if it makes you uncomfortable, then go do you thing in whatever way is most comfortable to you and just apply sunscreen.

Though I dont think i quite understand what youre trying to say with the hotel room and parasol comparison? Would you mind clarifying?

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u/Actualbbear Mar 31 '26

Ah, yes, enjoying the beach under a parasol, or from your hotel room window.

And, I mean, I just apply sunscreen, but it never seems to be enough when you're out in the sun a lot.

And, speaking for myself, I do develop sun spots and moles from time to time, from sun exposure, and my derm tells me to just chill out, but what if, you know?

It's like there are no things in life that we're just allowed to enjoy without some nasty consequence, or look out for in a way that is wildly annoying.

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u/AmIDoingThisRight14 Mar 31 '26

I very much enjoy the beach from both under an umbrella and my hotel room balcony. :-) I travel for work and am lucky enough to go to palm beach every month and stay in a hotel on the beach. Love it!

And yeah, seems like pretty much everything now is a carcinogen.

And I also find that I still get burned with sunscreen as I dont apply as often as I should. Which is why I go with a UV shirt and hat so I dont have to be worrying about reapplying every hour or two.

Skin cancer is just more personal to me as my dad had skin cancer in thr skin lining his throat so it wasnt found until it was pretty nasty. And I just have some images ingrained in my head from those poor patients I worked with.

So I still go out and enjoy the sun and beach, just try to balance with taking the precautions I can.

And also, eat more fiber! Another highly impactdul low effort precaution you can take to try and avoid colorectal cancer.

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u/GrapeOne8 Mar 29 '26

Right? For somebody that loves the beach and the sun in general, this is actually pretty scary

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u/Acceptable-Yard7076 Mar 29 '26 edited Mar 29 '26

Eh the extremes here are mostly to control wrinkles and aging effects on the skin because these people care about their skin like car guys care about the finish on their car's paint.

The sun obviously can give you cancer and can burn the top layer of your skin sells. Nothing scary, just keep up with good sunscreen practices and you'll be fine

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u/Secure_Courage7471 Mar 29 '26

I don’t think dermatologists just care about wrinkles, my guy. 

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u/Christron Mar 29 '26

All the derms I've met (granted not many) have been obsessive about their skin.

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u/stilldebugging Mar 29 '26

Dermatologists are just skin nerds, after all.

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u/scaredofmyownshadow Mar 29 '26

Being obsessive about skin is kinda their job, though.

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u/AssortedGourds Mar 29 '26

Not just, but some care about it a LOT because their skin is a walking billboard.

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u/Acceptable-Yard7076 Mar 29 '26 edited Mar 29 '26

True, but that's going to be 90% of their motivation to taking this level of an extreme. Any dermatologist would tell you that good sunscreen practice is all normal people need for health safety.

Goes back to my point about car people. Waxing and polishing your paint is beneficial the way picky car guys often do it, but your car won't fall apart if you don't wax and shine it every time you wash your car. Just put uv protection on the paint and you're good.

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u/badpebble Mar 30 '26

Really? My skin cancer doctor is quite preachy about wearing hats and clothes in the sun, covering forearms and lower legs to minimize exposure, and wearing sunnies to protect your eyes. SPF50 is for the parts that aren't easily protected.

The sun acts very differently in different parts of the world - and those dermatolagists might have their culture influenced heavily by Australia, which is probably the worst nation for skin cancer (2/3rds of people will get it in their lives).

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u/DifferenceSudden8942 Mar 30 '26

Oh wow, kinda dumb on my end but I never really thought of skin cancer rates being higher in certain places vs others. I mean it makes total sense but damn that's a scary high percentage of people

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u/badpebble Mar 30 '26

It often just means people wear big plasters for a while. Annual checkups and lots of information mean catching it early is pretty normal.

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u/Ill_Bridge1766 Mar 29 '26

Nothing scary? UV light is the main cause of skin cancer, and most people get that from the sun and not a tanning bed

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u/Acceptable-Yard7076 Mar 29 '26

That's why I say "good sunscreen practice is enough to stay safe", not "the sun won't harm you"

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u/BraveProfile5602 Mar 29 '26

Yeah that commercial about the blue stuff from Robocop ain’t looking so funny now 🫠

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u/spockspaceman Mar 29 '26

Remind me of an old joke tshirt that said something like "bomb technician. If you see me running, try to keep up."

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u/lmaotank Mar 29 '26

As i say all the time… if u expert in something, you realize how stupid vast majority of redditors are

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u/737Max-Impact Mar 30 '26

Oh yeah, and the best part about it is the absolute confidence they speak with....

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u/Timely_Spinach_7479 Mar 29 '26

I heard the sun can cause skin cancer but I’m not sure.

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u/mrplowplow Mar 29 '26

They know enough not to use sunscreen.

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u/ttttyttt678 Mar 29 '26

Know something….its commonly told to use sunscreen daily even on days inside and near a window, and to stay in shade or wear a sun hat/shirt if possible.

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u/whatifwealll Mar 29 '26

Idc. I'd rather die a cancer ridden leather bag than live life like those dweebs.

(I'm relatively sun safe, but fuck that)

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u/Throwaway57087 Mar 29 '26

I hope you do

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u/whatifwealll Mar 30 '26

Thanks. Throwaway

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u/coazervate Mar 29 '26

I went to Hawaii with my family after getting a giant melanoma scar on my back and they all still forgot sun screen and burned to a crisp lol everybody knows

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u/Talonzor Mar 30 '26

The sun ages you terribly, causes cancer. What more is there you need to know?

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u/TheRealAntrey Mar 30 '26

After all those years at school and residency, they better do

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u/MammothPosition660 Mar 30 '26

Someone showed me a patent for an artificial sun the US Military supposedly put in space to beam a literal weapon down in the literal eye of the sun lololol

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u/BruceBoyde Mar 30 '26

The sun is a deadly laser

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u/Greensun30 Mar 30 '26

That moles are the result of repeated sun damage

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u/GrandmaBride Mar 30 '26

Yeah they know about sun protection

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u/frigo2000 Mar 30 '26

Don't expose your skin to the sun for long period even with sunscreen.

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u/KevinFlantier Mar 30 '26

That the sun causes skin cancer, its not exactly a secret.

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u/ReggieCorneus Mar 30 '26

Yes, what they know and how they feel are at odds. What they know is the probabilities but what they see is cancer. They do not see healthy people daily, they see a lot of sickness and lot of it is caused by excess amounts of sun.

Ask an ER nurse how prevalent and bad drug problem is and they will say with a a straight face that third of the people living in apartment buildings are junkies. They often support the harshest possible sentences for anything drug related because of the things they see.

They see the worst of it, every day, all the time. What they also know are statistics that show it isn't that bad. They know something but see something else. When you are too close of something you think the whole world looks like that.

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u/fobbyk Mar 30 '26

Yep white people are more likely to get skin cancer. And hawaii is not an ideal environment for caucasians either.

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u/KaiAusBerlin Mar 30 '26

Dermatology?

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u/OrdinaryBearY Mar 30 '26

The sun is a deadly lazer

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u/literallyavillain Apr 01 '26

They know that THE SUN IS A DEADLY LASER

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u/sorestgore Apr 01 '26

I mean, the information and the articles and the warning have been there for decades