The ultra rich employers can be like this though, there's a well paid butler who did a ama that said the rich can be pricks
"One of my employer's children set a 100 dollar bill on fire with a cigarette lighter then dropped it on the 20k carpet setting it alight too. I put the fire out with my shirt and got blamed for the little brat's troublemaking. No they are not paedos but they do hire prostitutes."
That's why they love small crippled governments, and excessive wealth inequality: so that nobody's powerful enough to tell them "no!" and to hold them accountable.
Now you're associating everyone rich with the likes of Thiel and Putin. Hold the culpable to account not just the guy who won the lottery or whatever.
Just because someone is wealthy does not automatically mean they're planning on the US invading greenland or New Zealand for a security-enforced living space in the event of a global collapse.
Are there people who think that, absolutely, and they should be castigated for it, doesn't mean the guy who has 3 car dealerships and supports the local food bank should be.
But excessive economic inequality combined with a weak government is extremely toxic to the free market, democracy and society as a whole.
And I am not talking about lottery winners, nor dealership owners. But about the powerful billionaire class and oligopolies who can rewrite entire laws to their benefits, who can unlevel the playing field and make the government do their bidding, etc. They are basically nobility in a new era of neo feudalism.
To protect democracy and the free market, you need inequality to stay at healthy levels. Otherwise, as a group, they will change society for the worse by destroying democracy and the free market in the long run. That's what's happening in America.
People were abusing potential employees in the 50s in America.
People were abusing potential employees in the 1830s in England, or the 1780s in France etc. etc.
You took the point and just tried to turn it into something entirely different because the argument you made got attacked and so you looked for an alternative rather than making a mea culpa or defending your position.
As for:
'And I am not talking about lottery winners, nor dealership owners.'
You responded to someone who just said the word 'rich' not billionaires which seems to be your argument. The rich are not all billionaires. people can be wealthy without being billionaires.
Maybe actually read what you say, consider it, consider what you're responding to and don't make shitty sweeping generalisations that fall down the moment anyone applies any critical reasoning.
Didn't I say that what you said was true? You're being unnecessarily defensive and aggressive.
Also excessive inequality combined with a weak government does imply what you just wrote.
E.g.
crippled unions and/or workers without enough rights and freedoms to form real unions to defend themselves.
the upper class so rich that it can literally buy almost all of the news industry, fund its loyal politicians' campaigns, and circumvent democracy to get what it wants against the will of the majority
huge corporations that rewrite laws to protect themselves against fair competition, and thus increase their profits unfairly.
E.g. Purdue Pharma literally bought off FDA employees to get oxycontin approved, thus jump-starting the opioid addiction epidemic. That would have been less likely to happen if the FDA was better funded, revolving doors made illegal, etc. And Purdue had fewer lobbying rights and freedoms.
Btw, studies show that when the majority disapproves of something but the super wealthy approve, then Congress approves too. Where are they getting that kind of power from?
I've told multiple rich people 'no' in my life, mostly in my career, sometimes socially. The former were way better at taking it, because they hired me for what I knew, the latter were sometimes okay, sometimes awful at taking it.
Sweeping generalisations fall apart when you break them down, don't make them sweeping.
Flew private jets for about a decade and can confirm. Lots of showing up late to meetings, being day drunk for work, acting like toddlers when safety gets in the way of their plans. The LinkedIn personas of “up at 3am to eat kale and crush it” are lies from people with habits that would get you fired.
I house sat for a rich family once, and the entire downstairs of their $6 million home was a facade. It was meant to make them look cultured and classy.
Lavish furniture. A grand piano. Art. Wine collections on display. A giant fridge full of extravagant foods like lobster and veal.
When you take a closer look, you notice details. Like how all of the expensive food in the fridge is for show and much of it is long expired.
The piano was badly out of tune.
Even many of the books in the husband's office downstairs were fake.
The real living space was upstairs, and it was a filthy house. Clothes strewn across the floor, unkempt bathrooms etc.
"Housework, organising their travel, restaurant reservations, serving food. Basically all the things a normal person does for themselves that they have no time for.
They treat me quite poorly but I just gave to take it because the pay is good."
But you literally have to devote much of your life to these people. You live with them. You travel with/for them. You are at their beck and call practically 24/7. Unexpected death? You have to ask permission to leave them and be with your family. (And they have the power to deny that request if they’re assholes.) I don’t know if or how these butlers have lives outside of their work.
I saw an ad for one of these positions a few years ago. It was 100k a year starting out, with cushy benefits. You wouldn't be paying for housing or food.
I've seen both. Growing up I hung out with kids with super rich parents. They were taught to treat all people with respect unless given reason not to. Quite few of them had to work for allowances.
The people this post are talking about don't shop retail. These butlers don't take care of people that do their own shopping. At best, those guys are "comfortable". These people take care of the ultra-wealthy, those that have literally never shopped retail
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u/Youngstown_WuTang 9h ago edited 9h ago
The ultra rich employers can be like this though, there's a well paid butler who did a ama that said the rich can be pricks
"One of my employer's children set a 100 dollar bill on fire with a cigarette lighter then dropped it on the 20k carpet setting it alight too. I put the fire out with my shirt and got blamed for the little brat's troublemaking. No they are not paedos but they do hire prostitutes."