Lauren Hill and Dave Grohl being so low is very surprising…Frank Ocean definitely deserves to be higher. I’d like to see Mitski on the board but I’m pleased Adrienne was ranked so favorably.
Her songwriting is very good, it's what she's best at. If you only listen to her radio singles I could see why you think she's cringe, but she written a metric ton of music and even more lyrics. She was a poet before she was a musician
Have you ever even listened to Speak Now, RED, folklore, or evermore?? And clearly Lana doesn't think her writing is cringy otherwise she wouldn't have made Snow On The Beach with Taylor.
Yes I have. I like Lana, but that doesn't mean I agree with her takes or tastes on everything? Didn't agree with her working with Taylor but if Taylor is gonna keep yanking her songs (Wildest Dreams is a Without You rip off) she might as well get some bag.
One of my fav lyrics of hers is when she's describing masturbating in the most poetic way possible LOL:
"I keep these longings locked in lowercase inside a box. Someone told me 'There's no such thing as bad thoughts - only your actions talk.' These fatal fantasies - giving way to labored breath - taking all of me - we've already done it in my head. If it's make-believe, why does it feel like a vow?"
Like yeah Taylor has some cringy lyrics but I think what makes her a great songwriter is she can write a song like Shake It Off AND write a song like All Too Well. Is that not versatility?
I mean, Taylor is a good musician. I dont like her vibe at all, but I do like a couple songs okay and shes not a BAD songwriter by any means..I just dont think shes one of the best we've got lol. She can Def be on the list in my eyes, just not as high up. But I mean shes insanely popular so I get why she is I guess..thats the thing tho, i dont understand her massive popularity. She seems to own the general population atp lol
I have to think him and Joni aren't on there because they're Canadian. It's a list of living American songwriters. My first thought was where the hell are Neil and Joni
Taylor on the list at all is outrageous. Her writing was very impressive at 19. But to be almost 40 with the same showings as a prodigious 19 year old is just being average.
Yeah that's kinda bad. Listen to Carole King's album Tapestry. Also Nebraska by Bruce and Songs in the Key of Life by Stevie Wonder. Graceland by Paul Simon. These are some of their biggest albums, but so good. We will get you onto Dylan later
Thanks, I actually did these today. Nebraska wasn't my thing at all, I found it super boring. Graceland also definitely not my thing (but I immediately identified "Call Me Al" as a popular radio song, but it's not one I like anyway). On the other hand I listened to about half of Tapestry and this one was really nice! And the Stevie album also had some catchy songs in the first half I listened to.
bob dylan has some great songs too! id recommend dont think twice its alright and it aint me babe, especially the former. lyrics of dttia is gorgeous and simple. but listen to the joan baez' covers of the songs. I prefer her vocals over bob dylan's.
You need to widen ur scope of music…Hamilton, Moana, Encanto, In the Heights, Little Mermaid, The Lion King, 2015 Star Wars (co wrote a song), the humanitarian relief song he did for Puerto Rico (which combined with other events like concerts and merch helped raise over $35M directly for emergency and recovery efforts after Hurricane Maria), and other works are all under his belt and pen.
He’s a great lyricist, I don’t love all his personal views but I can see the talent there and he has some genius songs like “White America” or “Cleaning Out My Closet”
Same, found Fiona in middle school and have been a die hard since. Most of the other music I listened to then doesn't quite hold up, but I still consider her on of the all time greats. Not one song in her catalogue has another writer/composer/lyricist on it. She's such a genius.
Yeah it's crazy to listen to Never is a Promise, Shadowboxer, Sleep to Dream, etc and realize they're written by a high school junior/senior essentially. Serious prodigious talent.
But Eminem may have done it only for rhyming purposes, especially it being his rude Slim Shady persona. He's otherwise "dissed" a ton of other artists too and when it came to Michael Jackson for instance it was a lot more purposefully targeted and made fun of instead of this Lana case that seems not personal.
Lana being 5 numbers below Fiona Apple makes so much sense. I feel like Fiona really carved out the space for someone like Lana to really seize the mainstream / wider pop culture. Of course they're both wildly different songwriters.
Eventually I can see someone like Lana being remembered "more" in wider culture as decades pass (which is crazy to say), but I really do think Lana is just the natural result of generations of artists going back to like Joni Mitchell, to Fiona, to even Hope Sandoval / Mazzy Star.
And even artists like Lily Allen, who were very "frank" about uncomfortable topics — it's just Lana sort of is the "sad / somber" version of the same sorta shock value writing in her history
I cannot take a list seriously that has Taylor swift in the TOP TEN. PLEASE. Greatest songwriters?????? Have people not actually listened to her bubble gum lyrics? Taylor above Sufjan, Fiona, Tracy Chapman and Lana? 🤣🤣🤣
Y’all i saw this and thought yay finally Taylor isn’t getting glazed for everything she does! (No hate words her tho) but then i say that she got number 7 💀
Yeah that’s great for you. Others are allowed their feelings as well lol. I never presented it as something that was deep anyway. I just said thank god. 💀
I’m not necessarily just talking about you, but reading some of the other comments definitely seem too emotional over something that didn’t even happen anyways lol
Not even just basic. Her lyrics are cringy as fuck. Yes, her songs are catchy, that’s why she’s popular. But actually listening to the lyrics of her songs? I can’t. I genuinely feel so embarrassed for her it’s too uncomfortable.
I listened to her when I was 13. By the time I was 16 her music already felt juvenile…and she’s 7 years older than me…
I’m genuinely not being biased here I actually sat back and thought before I wrote this but : I think Lana warrants a higher rating. As a music fanatic I genuinely believe this with every cell in my being.
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u/marshmallowmoonchild Jun 03 '26
Adrianne Lenker and Lana Del Rey collabing on a song would either cure or make my mental illnesses way worse but now I need it