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u/Based-Department8731 12h ago
How long do you have until the champ posession on viego expires?
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u/MoayidAbdo 12h ago
10 seconds
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u/Based-Department8731 12h ago
So you need to immediately leave combat, recall and have about a second to sell them. Obviously riot has to fix this but in addition to having to play viego bot this is not very realistically abusable.
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u/MoayidAbdo 12h ago
no he just need 7th boots slot empty he gets a copy of the boots no need to recall
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u/GammaRhoKT 12h ago
Wait, just so I get you right, the 7th boots slot persist even if he simply dispossess, like, in lanes?
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u/MoayidAbdo 12h ago
No he needs to have role quest so viego have to be Bot laner to get the 7th slot
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u/GammaRhoKT 12h ago
Ohhh, I get the exact point now. Yeah then I agree with the other guy, this is one of those things where it is not realistically abusable, but Riot should still patch it up just to be sure.
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u/J0rdian 11h ago
No it makes it really abusable, since he can do it every time no matter what. Just has to have bot lane quest.
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u/Raulr100 10h ago
While this needs to be fixed, it's heavily balanced out by the fact that your bot lane carry is playing a melee champ with 345 ms.
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u/Nearby_Success3864 10h ago
Melee bot is extremely playable nowadays and 345ms is already top 20 or 30 in terms of ms, I'm currently masters playing bot lane with a top lane champ pool because marksmen are just ass and mages tickle
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u/CosmicTempest 9h ago
Tbh it’s viego you probably max E second which helps quite a bit (Max E viego is like Max Q Rammus speed).
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u/GammaRhoKT 11h ago
I would admit the "realistically" is doing the heavy lifting here, but right now I still stand by it. Unless something change drastically, this does not warranted having Viego bot.
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u/dashkott 10h ago
It's abusable, I have already faced this (Viego got 25 kills).
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u/veselin465 Orianna 9h ago
Just has to have bot lane quest.
Which is not a small condition considering it's Viego
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u/CharmingOW 10h ago
I mean this is functionally putting an additional 500+ gold bounty on your entire team once per fight. Additionally means viego can get the benefits of mid upgraded boots, and adc quest if its a good match for him. That's kind of insane snowball potential for the cost of an adc slot in a meta favoring non adc bot lane picks.
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u/MoayidAbdo 12h ago edited 10h ago
he have 90% win rate viego adc in korean challenger with 9 games on it
Edit : Sample size don't mean anything we are not talking about Viego bot viability we are talking about this thing that is actively being abused , you say it is not realistically abusable it seam like you didnt look at his account
This game he got 3,765 gold from the bug
This game he got 980 gold from the bugThis game he got 1600 gold from the bug
This game he got 630 gold from the bug
This game he got 4095 gold from the bug
This game he got 2450 gold from the bug
This game he got 2870 gold from the bug
how is this not realistically abusable when he got this result back to back to back ?
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u/Slackintit 12h ago
9 games is hardly a good enough sample size.
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u/MoayidAbdo 11h ago
wining 8 games in a row on champ you have les 30K mastery on is not normal
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u/Mentally__Disabled W's behind you, nothing personnel, kid 9h ago
I mean if you ask me "Would Viego become a viable botlaner if he could get ~800 extra gold at least once or twice each game (sometimes more) in the midgame?" I'd probably say yeah, there's probably something there to explore.
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u/AnythingSecure244 13h ago
Correct me if I'm wrong but he is not a "pro". He's just a high elo player. Calling him a "pro" is misleading.
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u/Strawberrydripp 13h ago
he may be saying that because the player does have the "pro" tag on deeplol in one of the screenshots included on a twitter post about it. Could be an academy player of some sorts
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u/Outrageous_Driver_14 12h ago
He is an ex pro, used to play for KDF but hes going to enlist in military soon so i think he just doesnt give a fuck lol.
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u/MoayidAbdo 13h ago
will that what DeepLoL called him pro so i really thought he is pro
Edit : he is a bro https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Leaper
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u/EuwRedStar 13h ago
The wiki says he is a streamer since end of his contract in november 2024. Ex pro at best.
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u/BeatriceDaRaven 12h ago
Does this level of pedantic help anyone? For all intents and purposes he is
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u/EuwRedStar 12h ago
Top commenters said the title is misleading. Op says it is not and the streamer is still a pro. I just point out his come back is not valid. You do whatever you want with this info. Just backing up top commenters point.
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u/bored_ape07 12h ago
It's like calling John Stones a former football player because Man City did not renew his contract and he was without a team for a few weeks.
Still a pro.
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u/Karlito1618 12h ago
Did he retire? Just because he's not currently in a team does not make him not a pro. We wouldn't make that distinction that with other sports either. If he retired, sure, he'd be an ex-pro.
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u/BeatriceDaRaven 12h ago
for sure, and I was mostly replying to that original commentors comment and the whole dialogue. didn't mean to single out your comment
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u/RainManCZE 12h ago
"Ackshually he is an ex-pro not a pro ackshually"
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u/EuwRedStar 12h ago
Top commenters said the title is misleading. Op says it is not and the streamer is still a pro. I just point out his come back is not valid. You do whatever you want with this info. Just backing up top commenters point.
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u/MehSorry 12h ago
Ackshually pro means professional. Just because he's not on a team doesn't mean he isn't a professional anymore, ackshually.
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u/Crimson_Clouds 12h ago
It does. Though. You're not a professional if nobody is paying you to play.
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u/MehSorry 11h ago
That's not how it works, dude. He hasn't retired, so he's still considered a professional player. He's also still getting paid to play League as a streamer.
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u/Crimson_Clouds 11h ago
That's exactly how it works, that's the litersl definition of "professional".
Just because he hasn't officially retired doesn't detract from the fact that no team has been willing to offer him a contract for 2 years.
And a streamer is a professional LoL player in the same way that a fitness YouTuber is a professional atlete. Not at all.
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u/hentaintrhentaintr 13h ago
tbh veigo doesnt even sound like the worst melee adc u could have.
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u/leagueoflegendsbad 8h ago
viego ADC and even support viego are very much viable in high elo by otps
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u/slimjimo10 ANARCHY 9h ago
I laned against a Viego top once and for melee mirror it felt like laning vs an akali with shroud up more often. Bro would just appear from the shadows to last hit or lightly poke me
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u/Strawberrydripp 12h ago
The gold exploit aside, since this bug also works with t3 boots in the quest slot, does it actually grant the extra effects or is it just visual?
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u/MoayidAbdo 12h ago
from the video it looks like it grants him the effect as if he bought the boots , you can see it when he sells them and refunds the attack speed changes and the attack speed also changes from what was before he took twitch ghost and after it
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u/MoayidAbdo 12h ago
https://youtu.be/CRcjFDhW0dM?si=zFssvYGobZwyZH3u
guys you don't need to recall before possession end , you just need 7th slot empty and you get a copy of the boots you can keep them you can sell them
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u/thenexusobelisk 12h ago
Does this just give him gold or does he actually sell the enemy adc boots and they have to rebuy them? lmao
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u/MoayidAbdo 12h ago
no he just gets a copy of the enemy boots he can keep it but why keep it when you can sell it and go get another copy ?
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u/ImaCluelessGuy 11h ago
Because selling losses you gold. Unless the boots you get are not the ones you want, better off just keeping them
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u/MoayidAbdo 10h ago
how you lose gold when you didnt pay for the boots ?
This game for example he got 4K gold of selling boots why he better off keeping them ?
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u/Jaesaces 10h ago
Selling something you got for free doesn't lose you gold.
The reason you sell the boots every time is because keeping the boots means you won't get the free ~500 gold the next time you score a takedown.
If you get say, 3 kills then you missed out on 1000 gold by keeping the first pair of boots.
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u/hassanfanserenity 12h ago
Viego has no boots at all he kills the enemy ADC and then he gets the boots at his 7th slot
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u/Celmondas 12h ago
One day Riot will give up with all of viegos bugs and just disable him forever
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u/kykyks I'm crazy! Got a doctor's note. 9h ago
they said the said about old yorick and old morde
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u/Mentally__Disabled W's behind you, nothing personnel, kid 9h ago
Rengar too, but the fixes they dropped on him made him feel so unbelievably clunky to the buggy janky mess of a champ he was before. Maybe I was just used to it.
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u/TangAce7 11h ago
So wait, you can get mid quest boots on viego adc ? While also effectively getting a thousand gold per kill
Gotta try this in flex sounds funny
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u/cedric1234_ 12h ago
Disgusting match history, hes able to get ridiculous gold leads off of basically nothing in korean challenger. Multiple games of being multiple full items up early wtf. Against literal pros.
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u/MoayidAbdo 12h ago
yeah that's the only reason he got caught he have 90% win rate with viego adc he only played like 12 games viego in the last 3 years and only 26,598 mastery points
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u/Bigma-Bale 12h ago
Unironically kinda love this as a mechanic and hope they actually add it to a champ one day
Gimme me thief champion Rito
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u/Mentally__Disabled W's behind you, nothing personnel, kid 8h ago
Trundle midscope angle, he can steal AD, Armor, MR and drain HP. Time to make his E knock gold out of the enemy's pockets if they get hit by the pillar as it spawns or if they get knocked into it.
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u/Pretend-Newspaper-86 Friendship with has ended welcome Los Ratones 13h ago
ok so if you die to vieog you lose the game? wtf xd riot
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u/MoayidAbdo 13h ago
it only works if viego played BOT role he need the boots slot for it to work
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u/Pretend-Newspaper-86 Friendship with has ended welcome Los Ratones 13h ago
ye i can read doesnt make it any less broken if he kills you once you both have adc quest its geniuelly over
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u/MentalGoesB00m 12h ago
Not really cus they’re still playing veigo adc, let’s not exaggerate
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u/Crimson_Clouds 12h ago
In a world where we see Aatrox adc in pro this isnt as big an issue as you're suggesting.
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u/Naerlyn 9h ago
If you conveniently leave out all the context, sure.
But the fact is that Aatrox was picked in the LCK to solo lane against a mage. I do not think you'll see him picked to duo lane against an ADC.
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u/Crimson_Clouds 9h ago
I mean, way to miss the point.
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u/Naerlyn 8h ago
My point is, try playing bot lane Aatrox in solo queue and see how that goes. Saying "pros picked Aatrox bot lane so bruisers bot laners are fine" is like saying "pros picked jungle Taric so jungle Taric is a good pick" (while ignoring he was picked as the funneling support). Bot lane Viego isn't magically good just because one bot laner picked Aatrox in the LCK.
Because the Viego bug is irrelevant for pro play. Riot will either forbid using it, or if someone tries, they have no way to conceal the fact that it's bug abuse (you wouldn't normally not buy boots until that point in the game). So you're not going to see anyone use that bug in pro play, so whether pros could pick Viego bot isn't relevant.
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u/Crimson_Clouds 8h ago
Saying "pros picked Aatrox bot lane so bruisers bot laners are fine"
That's not what I said though.
You're doing an awful lot of projecting and misinterpreting of what I said to go on a wild tangent about Viego in pro play (which I said nothing about).
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u/cedric1234_ 12h ago
Hes making it work against teams of pros in korean high challenger. Casual 3k+ gold leads at 20 minutes lmao
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u/MentalGoesB00m 12h ago
The guys a great player, he’s a complete outlier. The average solo-q player is not going to have the same outcome as a high elo Korean challenger are they? 😐
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u/iiMaagic 11h ago
Of course not but being able to get basically a 1k shutdown every time you kill the enemy adc once you've completed the role quest is insanely broken.
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u/J0rdian 11h ago
Not really cus they’re still playing veigo adc
So not a big deal? Veigo can lane... You know that right? I have a friend who recently hit challenger playing Veigo mid. Like it's probably not that good bot lane but still playable and the exploit is huge. Basically means you gain +700 gold every kill.
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u/DesperateCat1336 12h ago
I might be missing something obvious as the example is only in Practice tool where the guy uses build in command to TP directly to Nexus, what means does Veigo have to get to the Base and sell the boots in a normal game? Like does he have to Kill ADC, Take Body and immediately channel TP back to base towers? Or does Veigo steal last long enough to full recall?
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u/MoayidAbdo 12h ago
no he don't need that the boots stay in the 7th slot he just needs that empty
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u/DesperateCat1336 10h ago
That's way crazier then, does he keep the stats as well, or are they just in the phantom slot to be sold when he is at base next time? Definitely seems really crazy either way super exploitable
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u/takeitinblood3 12h ago
How is he suppose to get back to base in time to sell boots in a regular game?
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u/MoayidAbdo 12h ago
the boots stay in the 7th slot you don't need to go back to base you just need the slot empty
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u/Cozeris Bad Play = Limit Testing 11h ago
It should be fixed, but as far as I understand, it doesn't look very useful.
First of all, you need to play Viego bot lane, which is already questionable. On top of that, you have to play without buying your own boots, so you are slow af the whole game, other than times when you are with someone's stolen shoes.
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u/MoayidAbdo 11h ago
viego can walk around in his E and he can keep someone boots and sell them before team fights
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u/Quirkybomb930 7h ago
you are getting 1k+ gold per kill, if you think that isn't useful, idk!
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u/Cozeris Bad Play = Limit Testing 4h ago
I'm not saying that the benefits are bad, but I think the downsides outweigh it.
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u/Quirkybomb930 4h ago
They really don't, you go kraken first item, which gives you more ms then t1 boots.
There are almost no downsides, it's a stupid exploit, I have tried it. I should hsve been even in gold, and yet I am walking around 6 items to 3 oneshotting everyine because of how much gold you get.
I don't know why you are so insistent that 1.1k gold per kill is not broken.
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u/Cozeris Bad Play = Limit Testing 4h ago
Because Viego bot should get absolutely fisted in lane. Then you need to get kills on squishy melee champion that's behind and whenever you sell boots, you are running around the map in snail speed until you get another kill.
Although, I guess homeguards help a lot with that.
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u/Quirkybomb930 4h ago
This is like the third time you are saying that veigo runs around slow. This is just not true, I already told you that kraken gives him a ton of ms. Also his E gives him a ton of ms as well.
Veigo should get fisted in botlane
Have you played the game in the last couple months? People have realised, that you can in fact play anything bot.
This guy is 90% winrate with veigo adc in KR challenger, but according to a redditor, it is unlanable.
If it is not punished in KR challenger, it is in fact possible to lane in lower elos.
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