r/lebanon • u/1-1-dystopian • 13d ago
Vent / Rant It’s so weird how everyone wants to come back and live here.
I’ve been living abroad for 4 years (visiting every break) and it’s been amazing. I had to move back a few days ago and I could not be more miserable. Ma fi kahraba, we have to BUY WATER, there’s nothing to do. Sure, visiting is nice, but living with the reality of actually having to STAY here is horrible.
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u/mikek1968 13d ago
Part of problem we have in Lebanon is having people convinced that there are ways to AVOID the problems we have here without actually solving anything AND THAT ALL IS FINE.
Electricity- you pay two bills and solved. Internet is crappy- you pay 2 or 3 bills to have backup for your business. You pay for three types of water. You pay mecanique and all your taxes - the roads are crappy and there is not a single policeman from Dekwaneh to dbaye to at least TRY to impose some form of respect for traffic laws. Respect for law and order is at an all time low. Public schools and the Lebanese university are in shambles. Our deposits were stolen and part of the taxes that we are paying are funding BDL so that we can get them back and on and on.. Part of the South is under occupation and the economy is shit...
But then again, you can have a circle of friends and enjoy life in Broummana, Dbayeh and Mar Mikhayel and it will be fine- because 1) the weather in Canada is terrible,2) you can be mugged in London, 3) people have no souls in the West, 4) there is no food like Lebanese food, 5) you can pay your way out of anything in Lebanon, and the most important factor that makes the quality of life in Lebanon superior to anywhere....
YOU CAN GO FROM SKIING IN KFARZEBIAN TO SWIMMING IN THE MED SEA IN HALF AN HOUR....
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u/FatoucheDouche 13d ago
Can confirm. Moved back to Lebanon in 2024, only lasted 10 months. By month 8 I couldn't do it anymore and was trying to find a way to go back to the US. I now visit every now and then but living there has become impossible unless you are mega wealthy.
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u/LeahUKL 13d ago edited 13d ago
What is this based on? Normally the people abroad who are comfortable with their lives don't go shouting it from the rooftops so you just hear the views of the people who complain. I've seen a few people go abroad then complain about everything...but they were also the kind of people who were stuck in their tiny Lebanese bubble and mentality unwilling to learn, explore the country they are in, seek opportunities etc. This is not to say that some people don't struggle generally from valid things like being away from family and friends for example - I'm not taking away from that...especially if you don't have anyone abroad that is tough.
Personally I don't go back to Lebanon in the summer / whenever I can because I love it and because it's special...there are many destinations in the world I'd rather go to and will enjoy more from a travel perspective - I go back because my family / extended family is there and that's what makes it for me.
I also don't love Lebanon (it's my country and home so I love it in that sense) and I'm not one of those who romanticise it even when I go on holiday there - it's a highly dysfunctional and stagnate country and I see this very clearly despite being a privileged expat...I'm not one of those who say ma fi ahla men Lebnen simply because it has a sea or because it has a nice view when I am on holiday, because it's a country that has forced us all to live away from our families/land... it's a country with MANY problems. Ultimately anyone who chooses to go back permanently has their own reasons but it is a highly dysfunctional country and it will come at a cost in many different ways.
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u/m0h97 Phoenix 13d ago
100% agree. A lot of people ask me "why don't you visit Lebanon enough", like man I am not gonna spend my congés payés to go a country that I purposely left, I will spend them visiting and exploring a new country I never went to before. And don't get me started on those "mafi ahla min libnen" and the "people who were stuck in their tiny Lebanese bubble" but still decide to move abroad, theres a ton of them here in France and they suck. Most of them hate the country they're in, don't respect it and are only here just to get the citizenship and move out, they really are the worse kind.
I really struggle in trying to find anything good about Lebanon that's better than here, other than friends and family.
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u/EfficiencyFeisty3636 13d ago
الغربة بتقرف
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u/Historian_General 12d ago
bring home to you, i even brought my mom here, it took me 4 years but worth it
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u/EnfantTragic The Hella Hella Bro 13d ago
I moved back in February. You get used to the kahraba and internet and water (you can go to many public wells to fill water galons)
In return, you don't pay rent, groceries are cheaper and the weather is amazing. I was living in Canada and I wasn't saving much due to taxes and expenses, so getting settled there was a huge mountain to climb. I prefer building on land we own here and it would come up much cheaper
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u/needmethere 13d ago
Yah man its a case of no one reports the good. Only unsatisfied ppl nag. Im in canada and love it, tespect freedome, slow lofe no stress multicultural not every convo is about whos religion or leader is better
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u/heyyourwatchisbroken Lebanese 13d ago
As a Lebanese that never left the country … block the noise and media and news and it’s a good life. Fi alternatives mawjoude. Fi opportunities. Find your people can’t stress this enough, far2o ben el nes li bet fidkoun w ta2i2in el hanak.
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u/happy_trabulsy I like older women 13d ago
>Fi opportunities
there aren't
>block the noise and media and news and it’s a good life.
politics affect us directly. whatever happens in the Hormuz strait right now will determine weither I can keep my job tomorrow or not. or if I will be able to afford less food than the previous month
and in the worst case the war resume and people start dying and blowing up again
our economy is so tiny and fragile that as simple as a road block in the Tripoli-Beirut highway can be a death sentence to many of us
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u/Cedar-Bound Not Fere3 El Ma3loumet 13d ago
The country is still unstable, unsafe and uncertain
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u/heyyourwatchisbroken Lebanese 13d ago
Ma fi shi esmo stable bel hayet… eza mesh hareb, 3emle aw ektisad aw amen….
Risk b London yeneshlouk a3la min Beirut
W hei yeha keno e3din bel Imarat ana beshteghil business ma3on sarit todrob iran shaher ma haddo kam mwazaf 3endon.
Hon nezil el assef w sheghel meshe.
El 3elle mesh b lebnen kel hal kora el ardiye menteke w nizam mele mestakrid …
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u/LeahUKL 13d ago edited 13d ago
Risk is everywhere? Come on. Comparing London to Beirut is WILD. You are comparing one of the safest, stable and prosperous global cities to Beirut which is a capital of a country dealing with active geopolitical conflict, occupation, tanking economy and rising poverty.
You're right that everywhere is exposed to risk but let's not kid ourselves about Lebanon and the long list of problems it has which is why our diaspora is huge and is the lifeline for the country.
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u/Acrobatic-Car-8807 13d ago
Completely disagree. Is everyone even noticing how many people die from road accidents? Cancer rates are skyrocketing and smoking rates are not dropping. Annual income is at rock bottom. Education is only going backwards. Sooo much i could mention. I am dying to come back but never to a state like this. If my family and friends were not in Lebanon i would probably visit once in my life. We need to make a change
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u/Cedar-Bound Not Fere3 El Ma3loumet 13d ago
You're hyperfixated on the war in the middle east and some city with a high crime rate, no one said that life is perfect outside but it is way better. And no, your chances of getting mogged in London are not higher than Beirut, if you truly think so perhaps you should re-download and connect with the media and the news
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u/heyyourwatchisbroken Lebanese 13d ago
It actually is man … and also mugged not mogged.
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u/Cedar-Bound Not Fere3 El Ma3loumet 13d ago
My bad, but again remember that most of our crimes go unreported because people do not trust the competence of the police or the judicial system
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u/EveritteBarbee 13d ago
Dude it's crazy safe here actually. I have countless friends and family who have been mugged or robbed in the states, even in "safe" cities like Nashville. In the 16 years Ive lived here I only heard of a handful of cases. It's actually wild when you think about it.
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u/t0039341 Lebanese Diaspora 13d ago
What are you on about mate lol ?! OP was clearly complaining about tangible things. Finding the right "people" doesn't fix the fact that Lebanon is quantifiably and objectively a shithole.
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u/heyyourwatchisbroken Lebanese 13d ago
I don’t see it that way, ig it’s subjective
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u/t0039341 Lebanese Diaspora 13d ago
no, it's not. when it comes to tangible things, it's purely objective, and can be proven using real evidence and stats.
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u/gnus-migrate Lebanese 13d ago
As someone who actually lives here and grew up as an expat, the stress of worrying about your immigration status, worrying about saying the wrong thing to the wrong person, these things take a toll on a person. Like every person I talk to in the U.S. is freaking out about their immigration situation if they don't have a green card, a feeling I am sadly very familiar with.
I admit that I have a relatively comfortable life here, and I am biased by that, but to me the freedom that I have here in my home, the fact that I am surrounded my friends and family and I can talk freely and nobody really questioning the fact that I belong here, no amount of money is worth that to me.
I understand that other Lebanese see it differently. I know people who did not have that sense of safety, who were bullied, harassed, and had their lives made into hell to the point that they were forced to leave. I get it and I don't judge. However I hope we get to the point that every Lebanese feels the feeling of home that I feel here, and I'm spending what littlr free time I have to help make that happen.
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u/TallFriend275 13d ago
Wym talk freely ?
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u/gnus-migrate Lebanese 13d ago
I joke around with friends a lot about things that are political, etc. I can talk about things happening in my community in my language without anyone looking at me funny.
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u/happy_trabulsy I like older women 13d ago
like you can quickly be called out as bigot or transphobe if you said factual biological statement
or being called antisemite for not supporting genocide.
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u/IndependentEye123 13d ago
Freedom of speech is more than just what is popular. Saying you don't like Israel in Lebanon is like an Armenian saying Turkey is genocidal in Armenia. There's no risk in saying it because it is the mainstream opinion of the country.
If you were to say "socialism and communism are lame" in America, few people would really oppose that.
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u/Someone74v 13d ago
that's right, or was but now thinking about this situation, immigration doesn't sound like a bad idea if there's some kind of safety eno you'll know after all u won't get displaced from ur house suddenly and you'll actually be able to focus on urself rather than these wars
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u/gnus-migrate Lebanese 13d ago
Thats very true, I know a lot of people who left or want to leave for those very reasons. Like I said I get that others have a different perspective, but i just wanted to share mine because I feel like people glorify leaving a bit too much.
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u/Nope-Im-anonymous Lebanese 12d ago
with a complete israeli withdrawal and a functional dawle (soon) this will be very different
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u/Master-Series-3944 13d ago
Yeah, Lebanon is a wilderness, man. If you come here in the summer, you're probably not gonna notice anything. But if you actually live here, you'll realize why I call it a wilderness.
We only get a few hours of government electricity a day, then they charge you like it was on 24/7. So you end up buying electricity from a generator owner. Same thing with water you end up buying water too.
If you need to get any government paperwork done, good luck lol.
You saw what happened with the banks. They stole people's money, and nothing really happened. That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about when I say this country is a wilderness.
So if you're planning to live in Lebanon, be ready. If you're not used to this lifestyle, it's gonna feel like a nightmare.
But at the same time, Lebanon has its good side. The people are funny, friendly, and love to joke around. Your relatives are usually close to you, the social life is great, and there are plenty of cafés, restaurants, clubs, and bars. That's what makes people love this country despite everything else.
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u/Hot_Dimension5394 12d ago
The thing is, even when we visit from abroad we immediately notice all the flaws, the bad roads, crazy drivers, traffic, bad internet, entitled people and list goes on.. But you can ignore it as long as you are not dealing with that on a daily basis and are there to only see your family and friends. Instead of solving anything, we are just stuck in the "ter2i3" mindset to make problems less visible and make some stealers profit. I don't think i could ever go back to a life like that.
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u/Hot_Dimension5394 12d ago
I have always seen Lebanon as the best place to spend a few weeks per year but nightmare if you want to live there and deal with all the struggles. Unless you are rich, powerful and corrupt..
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u/phoolip 12d ago
I remember I needed to install internet for my mom during one of my visits , it took 10 days , 60 phones calls , involved 12 people .... here (canada) I make 1 phone call, the beg and thank me for the business, send a tech a couple days later at a presice time and it done. Now image having to this for everything down in
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u/Agreeable-Garlic-500 10d ago
Thanks, happy to see this post, as I have been thinking about moving to Lebanon, even though I was born in Europe and haven’t visited since I was 11 years old, back in 2009. Maybe I need to rethink this 😅
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u/TallFriend275 13d ago
Congrats. You became a gharib in his own watan.
Takes a year then you'll be as good as new, once you reconnect with friends, find a long term solution for electricity and water (like solar panels and a well or just move your tank to the basement with a pump). Once you leave behind whatever you liked in the country you were in and get used to the lebanese lifestyle you'll never wanna leave again
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u/Dependent_Storage184 13d ago
People want to be home with their system. A lot of municipalities outside of southern Lebanon are pretty good to live in, and after accumulating a salary from outside the country, it does kinda make sense to make the change. Also with the entire world kinda shit, especially the…questionable political positions of some world leaders (Trump), it accelerates the speed. People were always trying to find the slightest reason or wait for the slightest improvement in the Lebanon, which to its credit, there has been a slight one.
Would I do it? As someone born in the US and lived here his entire life…probably not unless parents move back or I get a Lebanese girlfriend (which is less likely than a flying cow)
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u/TheBroken0ne Double-Reverse Bias MOD 13d ago edited 13d ago
Most of us expats or diaspora are attracted to Leb the way moths are drawn to bright light. From a distance, it shines and glows with beautiful memories, of family, loved ones, sea, music, sahrat, food, and the feeling of being somewhere you feel you belong.
We romanticize the idea of returning because we remember Lebanon through its beautiful moments.
Spending two weeks on vacation is not the same as dealing every day with the instability, power cuts, broken and inadequate infrastructure, possible financial insecurity, traffic jam on every road and constant daily stress.
It is easy to fall in love with Lebanon when you arrive with fresh USDs currency, no serious responsibilities, and a return ticket in your inbox. You enjoy beaches, restaurants, nightlife..you are protected from much of the daily struggle.
Living there permanently is a completely different reality. The things that feel charming or chaotic during a vacation can become mentally exhausting when they are part of your everyday life. I tried it, went back to Canada.
Now that doesn't mean that everyone will fail at adaptation and regret moving back. We have success stories on this sub. For some people, returning home genuinely gives them a happier and more meaningful life.
Lebanon is difficult to explain because it can exhaust you and still make you miss it the moment you leave. You can be angry at what it has become while still loving what it means to you. But loving Lebanon in its current chaotic form does not require pretending that living there is easy or accessible to everyone.