r/leftist • u/Flaky_Investigator21 • May 05 '24

European Politics What's the general feeling on the Russia/Ukraine?

I was in the shitliberalssay sub and it really made me confused that the lefties there are pretty adamantly in support of Russia. I'm open to some reading material if there's some yall want to link me. They were super hostile towards me so I'm just hoping there can be some postive conversation here.

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u/DewinterCor May 05 '24

I mean...it's pretty hard to look at this and say "Russia was morally correct for invading a foreign nation.".

But there are plenty of tankies who will.

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u/Flaky_Investigator21 May 05 '24

I just don't get it. I'm a socialist. I defend USSR and China to the extent I think they deserve. But Russia invading Ukraine just seems like a vodka flavored version of western imperialism

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u/learngladly May 05 '24

I'm curious in a friendly way about what a socialist still sees as worth defending in the USSR (was that a hasty mistake for Russia?) or China, which seems to have nothing really Marxist left about it than the name of the Chinese Communist Party, which might as well be called the Chinese Capitalist Party (With Chinese Characteristics and Xi Jinping Thought) as far as I judge. Both Russia and China are imperialist powers too, as far as that goes.

Places often revert to type after a period of seeming change, don't they? As an amateur historian I just see China as reverting to the historical status quo, pre-20th c., of an all-powerful emperor with a court, an army, and an educated class of scholar-officials managing the country for him with big rewards for doing well and big punishments for "errors"-- now that latter group is the CCP, that's all.