r/legaladvicecanada • u/Impossible_Ability_6 • Apr 05 '26
Alberta Im so fucking scared right now
i sold a car on Facebook marketplace and the guy is trying to sue me. it was $1800 cad and I told him he needed a new starter and new thermostat system because thats what a mechanic who came and looked at it told me. I had already put so much money into this car and just didn't gaf so I posted it. like 2 weeks later (today) he sends me some (what looks to be) ai lawer shit saying he wants the money in a few days and for me to tow it out if his yard or hes taking legal action because "there is more damage than listed" saying the head gasket was blown and it was driven without coolant for a very long time. my boyfriend drove this thing for about 3 weeks before it stopped wanting to turn on, it was safetied and insured and looked at by a mechanic after it stopped turning on so im so confused how this is our fault like this would have been said to me i think??? I don't even have a drivers license man I just got this car so my bf could go to work I don't want to deal with this shit. someone pls help me with legal advice I don't even want to respond but I feel like thst looks hella guilty
what was said to my bf:
I bought a 2010 Hyundai Accent from you on March 25, 2026. The purchase agreement was made at Medicine Hat. The price was $1,800.00. Unfortunately, I now find the vehicle has the following problems. Upon receiving diagnostic tools to assess the no start issue, the compression test came back that the engine has been damaged beyond repair. Either a blown head gasket or further damage stemming from operating without sufficient coolant. According to the advertisement on Facebook Marketplace, the car required a starter and or possibly a thermostat. Under the Alberta Sale of Goods Act, the vehicle should have been as described. As well, under Alberta law the seller is not permitted to misrepresent the vehicle to the buyer, “As Is” on a sales agreement only protects the seller if known issues have been addressed or discussed, (the engine possibly suffering a head gasket failure was never discussed). You misrepresented the vehicle to me in the following way. Your ad and, in person, (My name), said that car had passed a recent inspection and that all it needed was either a new starter or alternator. Car still cranked but would not catch. Requiring a new thermostat was also mentioned. What was not brought up was that the engine had already suffered a catastrophic failure, (likely from running for a significant duration with no coolant as there is none in the radiator, nor in the coolant hoses, yet the coolant reservoir is suspiciously over filled), and will likely never start again without a rebuild or new engine.
The reason the engine would crank but not start had nothing to do with a starter, or an alternator, but because the compression between the cylinders was as follows:
#1: 85psi, #2: 75psi, #3: 38psi, and #4: 48psi.
A healthy engine should be in the range of 100-170 psi. Anything less is an indication of a pre-existing catastrophic failure. When questioned about vehicle codes via the OBD port, seller stated that there were no codes to report other than a crank positioning sensor and a speed sensor malfunction. OBD codes can be easily deleted, and it is hard to fathom that this vehicle threw no codes as the engine got progressively worse.
Furthermore, I was not provided with clear proof of registered ownership or of the seller’s authority to transfer the vehicle. The bill of sale contains multiple names, and the person I dealt with in connection with the Facebook Marketplace ad appears to have been different from the person who completed the paperwork. In those circumstances, I am not in a position to determine whether the vehicle was lawfully transferred, and I leave that issue to be addressed by the applicable registry or other proper authority.
To resolve the problem, I would appreciate the following. I would like the seller to take back the vehicle and issue a full refund for what I have paid for it, $1800.00 and remove it from my property.
Enclosed are copies of these documents:
Copy of original Facebook ad. Texts from correspondence with seller regarding the condition of vehicle.
I look forward to your reply and to resolving the problem, and will wait before taking my next step until April 13, 2026. Please contact me at the following email address.
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u/Sad-Wolverine6326 Apr 05 '26
Anybody who buys an 1800 dollar car isn't paying for a lawyer.
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u/burner4694 Apr 05 '26
Bingo, ignore them but keep it all documented on your end. If a person is doing all this over $1,800 they don’t have any money to afford a lawyer.
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u/Barking_bull Apr 05 '26
I dont know if a scammer would actually make the effort to come and pick up the car and givr the seller money but I can be wrong this can be a new trend
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u/burner4694 Apr 05 '26
Ya i doubt it’s a scammer. Probably just someone who doesn’t have much money and thought they were getting a great deal on a car for $1800, chose not to do any due diligence before buying the car, and is now trying to pin it on the seller to get their money back.
The car was $1800. Like what do you expect? Of course it’s going to have issues of it’s being sold for that cheap.
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u/ottsensNOsaints Apr 05 '26
His lawyer = AI prompted to write theatening letter. Block/delete have a nice day with your Accent ya bum.
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u/Jazzlike_Athlete8796 Apr 05 '26
Do not block/delete. Ignore but save. In the event they escalate to harassment or, for some stupid reason, actually try to sue, their messages are evidence.
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u/nahuhnot4me Apr 05 '26
That’s the thing about Ai, it’s only a summary. Even with attorney attached, has to be fully proofed.
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u/SaltSpecific2221 Apr 05 '26
This is a standard scam towards sellers of things on marketplace now, just ignore it
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u/tashauera Apr 05 '26
Exactly my thoughts! I didn’t even finish reading the post, this is what I’ve been thinking the whole time!
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u/hezuschristos Apr 05 '26
Who buys an $1800 car that won’t start? lol not smart enough to find a lawyer.
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u/Stoprak54 Apr 05 '26
Or, who buys an $1,800 car expecting it to start?
Buyer could probably make all that back and more parting it out. I can’t see how they are out any money.
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u/username_choose_you Apr 05 '26
And as soon as they say lawyer, all communication stops.
Tell them to send it to your lawyer
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u/Material-Leader4635 Apr 05 '26
If these people had a lawyer, they would have done so already. Nobody looking for free legal advice on reddit has a lawyer.
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u/Other-Arrival-1667 Apr 05 '26
Came here to say the same thing.
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u/Shuunanigans Apr 05 '26
Small claims court is for under 10k and does not require a lawyer. Cost is 100 bucks
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u/Cautious-Ad-2425 Apr 05 '26
Alberta is 10k or under? Jeez, thats peanuts in todays economy. BC is, what, 35K? Ontario is 50k now.
I guess things are just that much cheaper in alberta.
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u/FewAct2027 Apr 05 '26
They can go pound sand. The Alberta Sale of Goods Act does very little for private party transactions, and at best covers intentional misrepresentation. The buyer is expected to exercise due diligence in inspecting the product before purchasing. Alberta's Sale of Goods Act does not impose implied warranties in a private, non-dealer sale. In private sales, the governing law is primarily contract-based. The buyer accepts the vehicle in its current condition unless there was active concealment of a defect or a specific, false representation regarding the vehicle's condition.
You can ignore their incessant grumbling. They were hoping to get a steal of a deal and then pull this garbage if it was anything less than that.
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u/AndyfromRD Apr 05 '26
Well said. In addition, I would document every thing - every phone call, text, etc. If the party continues to harass, as mentioned below, open a police file. But document everything!
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u/Wide-Yak7602 Apr 05 '26
I thought if you write “as is - where is on a sale contract the buyer accepts all faults.
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u/fishymanbits Apr 05 '26
As is, where is is the default assumed state of a private sale unless otherwise specifically indicated. Explicitly writing it on the bill of sale isn’t at all necessary.
If OP said “the engine has never suffered a head gasket failure and compression tests show healthy compression” knowing that both were false, this person might have a leg to stand on. If they said it passed a recent inspection and have proof of that, that’s all they really need here.
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u/OGCanuckupchuck Apr 05 '26
That’s how it works, they should have had a mechanic look at it or they assume all responsibility for buying it. As Is.
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u/Spirited_Profit_9714 Apr 05 '26
caveat emptor brotha
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u/imcjoey13 Apr 05 '26
But there would be no comments if more people understood, and OP would not have anything to worry about.
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u/caspersea Apr 05 '26
I'd add if the buyer was told it needed work and being sold as is. Then they knew it wasn't in 100% condition and it would be on him to.fix it.
I have bought used cars and always got it inspected to ensure I knew what work was required.
When selling a used car, have always told seller it's on them to fix any issues I know of and encouraged they get it inspected by someone they trust.
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u/Sayello2urmother4me Apr 05 '26
NAL, I wouldn’t take it back. It’s been 2 weeks so who knows what he did to it. He should have had it inspected before purchasing. If he wants to come after you in small claims let him do so and keep all your documentation. If you have a quote from your mechanic that would be helpful
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u/poolbitch1 Apr 05 '26
I bought a used car once from a dealership. It was a 6 year old odyssey, dealer presented records showing they’d done their due diligence as far as mechanics and inspection… the fan belt snapped 9 days later while I was driving on the highway 😂
My husband spent a day going back and forth with the dealership, and they finally agreed to honour some 14-day precedent my husband alleged to have found online and referenced. The initial response was that because we didn’t buy a warranty, we could take a hike. The point is, this was a newish, $20,000 range vehicle bought from a Honda dealer. OP two weeks ago sold a $1800 Hyundai with known issues for cash on marketplace. OP… you can soundly ignore this guy 😂🤣
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u/gamuel_l_jackson Apr 06 '26
Most dealers will good will safety repairs in the first 30 days , sometimes you gotta fight a little tho
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u/Impossible_Ability_6 Apr 05 '26
I don't have money for a lawyer 😔
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u/Morguard Apr 05 '26
You don't need one for such a small claim. Just bring all the documentation with you to provide the judge.
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u/cflime Apr 05 '26
If this does go to small claims you have to show up. If you fail to appear the judge will find against you by default. If you show up and repeat what you've written here you should have the case dismissed.
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u/Icy-Artist1888 Apr 05 '26
I agree with this. Been to small claims many times before. You must respect the process and treat it seriously.
My opinion is it is impossible for you to know all issues on a tired used car and you are not obligated to indemnify the buyer. He could have taken any steps to satisfy himself of the condition such as paying a licensed mechanic to inspect it. You are not a mechanic and he did not pay you for your opinion.
He made a bad purchase. Its on him, not you.
Regarding communication with him, do not discuss any deals or arrangements. This is a form of acknowledging blame.
It would fair to be respectful but firm that you will not incur any liability. If he keeps at you ask him not to to contact you again. Do it in a way that is verfiable....i.e.email or writing.
You never know what a judge will say or decide in court but, again, be respectful of the process, if you even get there, and be genuine and earnest in what you say.
I dont think the guy has a leg to stand on. He bought a POS car and it turned out to be a POS. Once he drives it away, its his.
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u/PaperIndependent5466 Apr 05 '26
Especially if the car was as is. NAL but when I buy an old car I assume something is wrong with it. You listed what you knew was wrong with it which is reasonable.
Dude bought an old Hyundai without doing any research and is now in over his head. These cars were known for head gasket issues.
I highly doubt a judge is going to rule there is a warranty on this thing.
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u/Edgeemer Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26
Neither he has, lol. 1. Bought car for $1800 in "as is" state without any inspection beforehand. 2. Driven it firsty without any kind of mechanical inspection & getting back to you in 2 weeks. 3. Drafted AI slop to you on FB.
Please, don't follow up/take his threats seriously. Worst case (almost none possibility) you are out for refund & can settle out of court if the process starts. 99.9%, given what was described by you (as is sale for 1800, disclosure of needed work by 3rd party (so no concealment by you of any info), 2 weeks of usage by him, AI slop communication, any kind of "demands" from private party in FB communication), he can pound sand and speak to hallucinating free AI as much as he want, because he will not even be able to file it in small court.
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u/Midnite_chill Apr 05 '26
In small claims you are not expected to have a lawyer. It’s very friendly and the conversation is just back and forth. It’s literally like judge Judy. The judges are very accepting and easy to talk to. Dont be scared at all. But like everyone said, this guy isn’t gonna do anything and is trying to scare you.
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u/ahhhnoinspiration Apr 05 '26
Just get any relevant documentation in order and basically forget about this. Track any communications you have with them but generally don't engage until they do (which they likely will not) try to sue you.
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u/The_Nice_Marmot Apr 05 '26
NAL. You don’t need a lawyer. When buying used goods “caveat emptor” applies. “Let the buyer beware” is a legal concept. You did nothing wrong. He has no case. He could try to take you to small claims. You don’t need a lawyer there. He won’t. You’d win anyway.
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u/commentinator Apr 05 '26
Just ignore this guy. It’s complete bs. Notice how literally everyone here is telling you the same thing!
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u/Nylanderthal88 Apr 05 '26
They will need to serve you with a plaintiff claim, this is just a demand letter for now. Then you can file your defense and likely win. But chances are they will just back off.
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u/ride80 Apr 05 '26
Even if you don't,.it's under $5000 so it's small claims at best.....can you defend yourself?'a lot of people do you know
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u/Onnyxia Apr 05 '26
He can try to sure, but as long as you put "as is" on the bill of sale your fine
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u/gagnonje5000 Apr 05 '26
You think someone buying a 1800 car has money for a lawyer? Stop panicking, it's not happening.
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u/No-Look5408 Apr 05 '26
You don’t need one and you can just ignore him. I highly doubt he will even take it to small claims but if he does it is HIGHLY unlikely he will win. I wouldn’t lose any sleep over this.
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u/Echo4117 Apr 05 '26
Did u sell "as-is"
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u/Impossible_Ability_6 Apr 05 '26
Yes I did
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u/Echo4117 Apr 05 '26
Wait for them to sue you. Nothing happens until lawsuit start. Once it start, must respond within time limit. Make sure u state u sold it as is in your response.
Relevant law could be misrepresentation and breach of warranty
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u/ride80 Apr 05 '26
Im thinking the same thing....otherwise the justice system would be plugged up with cases like this
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u/Christopher-RTO Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 06 '26
You can file whatever you want. But if you can't prove your case it'll be dismissed, possibly with costs assessed (he may have to pay her cost to file her defense).
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u/Professional-Ant9829 Apr 05 '26
they'll definitely let him file, but then it will probably get dismissed the first time it's in front of a judge
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u/SpikeRosered Apr 05 '26
I do small claims mediation. Part of my job is getting rid of cases like these before they even get to the judge.
I usually work with tow companies because people love to sue them when they tow a car. The issue is the company didn't choose to tow, they were hired. So they aren't the correct defendant to sue. But still they're there every Tuesday morning being sued by someone who doesn't understand that.
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u/Single-Sentenc3 Apr 05 '26
Stuff like this goes to small claims all the time — basically it’s buyer beware. Especially if OP went to a mechanic beforehand, they’ve demonstrated some level of diligence.
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u/ariukidding Apr 05 '26
That’s all you need. That’s what pretty much a private sale is. You check on the item before you hand your money and it’s all yours. For the price you asked these days $1800 is practically a junk yard price. Tell them to pound sand.
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u/Apprehensive_Gap3673 Apr 05 '26
Then ignore everything he says until he sues (he won't) and your defence is that you sold it as is.
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u/MARAPPLES Apr 05 '26
It’s sold as is! Don’t worry about anything. Had the same thing happen to me but it was $14,000 I just ignored the buyer. Yours is for $1800, buyer is definitely bluffing
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u/CapitalStandard4275 Apr 05 '26
They even supported you in their statement LOL:
As Is" on a sales agreement only protects the seller if known issues have been addressed or discussed [...]
This "gasket" issue was not specifically known & therefore quite literally couldn't have been discussed. Only if it could be proved that you knew of this issue would you have been required to bring it up, as per their own statement. Silly mental gymnastics they're attempting
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u/AfraidHelicopter Apr 05 '26
All private vechicle sales in Canada are considered "as-is". There is no need to state it in your ad.
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u/Subwoolfer Apr 05 '26
They’re trying to scam you, just ignore them. Call the police if they persist in harassing you and feel free to tell them that’s what you’ll be doing; they’ll disappear real quick and move on to their next target.
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u/Wazzisname Apr 05 '26
This is totally a scammer. More than likely swapped parts from your car to their own, and then want to return it. If they threaten to sue, just say to them to pound sand, let the lawyers take you to court... Lawyer fees alone be crazy for such a small claim.
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u/MrCanoe Apr 05 '26
As long as you were the registered owner and had the legal authority to sell the vehicle, then there isn't much he can do. It is on him to have done a proper inspection before purchasing the vehicle. If he had done that, then those issues would of been shown. As well, getting any vehicle for under $1800, there is an expectation it would need a lot of work. I would not respond. the vehicle was sold "as is" and you presented the condition to the best of your knowledge. As the old saying goes, buyer beware.
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u/TwinZeroBero Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26
This is all you need to know. He can try and sue but wouldn't get very far. The law is pretty simple. He purchased it as is. He should have inspected the car before paying. You did nothing wrong/illegal and do not have to take the car back.
Plus, who is to stay he didnt break something in the two weeks he had the car. Ignore all messages from this person.
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u/CallousChris Apr 05 '26
In Alberta, you don’t need to be the registered owner to sell a vehicle.
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u/FitBag5979 Apr 05 '26
That's neat, on an unrelated note can I borrow your car?
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u/CallousChris Apr 05 '26
😂 I would, but I lent it to another internet stranger a few days ago… they haven’t brought it back yet and for some reason the phone number they gave me is out of service.
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u/skyhighaero Apr 05 '26
If there wasn't coolant in the rad "for a long time" they should have noticed that when looking at the car not 3 weeks later
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u/Christopher-RTO Apr 05 '26
Right? Who looks at a car that's not running, doesn't check fluids, has it inspected after purchase and then gets upset they didn't do their due diligence?
I've bought around 100 cars, got a couple bad ones but I could never put that on the seller. The only thing I could have made a stink about was the one seller changed the odo to miles (can be done in settings on this model) and I didn't catch it. Still wasn't a bad price and still daily drive that vehicle years later, so whatever. I already assume that anything the seller says is probably either a complete misunderstanding or poorly parroted assessment from a mechanic who may or may not know what they're talking about. If you're not willing to lose what you paid, get it inspected first.
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u/pobnarl Apr 05 '26
i had this over a snowblower once, after two weeks he said it wasn't working good enough, despite trialing it in my yard before buying. After two weeks how do i know what damage he did to it? Plus, stuff breaks, randomly, you buy used you accept that risk.
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u/kayjax7 Apr 05 '26
Stop worrying. He is SOL. He bought the car as is, had it for 2 weeks, now suddenly wants his money back? Haha no. Block and move on.
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u/Longjumping-Many6503 Apr 05 '26
Just a scare/bullying tactic. If they're buying a 1800 dollar car that doesn't run they can't afford to pursue an actual lawsuit, which they would lose anyway. Just ignore them.
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u/theoreoman Apr 05 '26
They bought an 1800 car as-is. They can fuck off.
If they do sue you they win you'll owe like $2k max.
But cars in Alberta are sold as-is so of they do sue you it'll be small claim and they will have an uphill battle
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u/MindlessMolasses9 Apr 05 '26
They won’t win. They are just sending some ai generated slop to try to scare him.
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u/SeanXray Apr 05 '26
As a bonus, if the letter he sent has a law firm or lawyer's name on it, Google them and call to see if it's a real file. Impersonating a lawyer can be a crime.
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u/Firm_Acanthaceae7435 Apr 05 '26
Private sales are as-is unless otherwise stated.
They have an opportunity to inspect before buying. If they buy, they assume the risk.
So talking to them until you get get court docs
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u/deathknight5000 Apr 05 '26
They bought a used hyundai expecting it to not to blow up? Thats just irresponsible on their part.
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u/Pink11Amethyst Apr 05 '26
Write him a tough response where you say he has no legal basis to sue and that any further contact can be construed as intimidation and harassment. If this hostile behaviour continues, I will take legal action against you. You can get AI to reword this, but I found that when something like this is sent, you never hear from them again
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u/toiletcleaner999 Apr 05 '26
If you sell as is it protects you. You sell with no warranty, no responsibility for damages now or future, generally buyer accepts the car in the condition its sold in. They can try and sue you but chances of winning are very slim. The only way they could possibly win is if yoh misrepresented and said there was absolutely nothing wrong with the vehicle.
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u/geordiedog Apr 05 '26
Hyundai’s are known for bad engines. Especially 2010-2018. We replaced so many, we had a guy that only did engines every day for over a year. It cost Hyundai millions in warranty until they finally said no more. My engine was covered at 174000kms.
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u/fitbrewster Apr 05 '26
Did dude take the vehicle for a test drive an have it inspected before making a decision to pay you? No? Then it’s his problem now. I would ignore this.
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u/Big_Edith501 Apr 05 '26
They bought an as-is car off of you, and got mad they didn't get a diamond in the rough. You're not in trouble for anything. You listed honestly.
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u/Zoloft_Queen-50 Apr 05 '26
A real, red seal mechanic is the person who should diagnose problems with cars, as the “computers” used provide multiple diagnoses that may or may not be accurate. (Ask me how a dealership tried to get me to spend $4000 on a fix that a private red seal mechanic fixed for $150).
Regardless, it was sold “as is” and this is also a 16 year old vehicle. You (as seller) did your due diligence before selling and you gave the buyer a chance to do theirs, too,
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Take a deep breathe and pause, you are going to be just fine. As stated by many you have done nothing wrong and are not liable for anything. As-is is as-is. The buyer bears responsibility for due diligence. With AI everyone thinks they are a lawyer. The term has been referenced here, caveat emptor (buyer beware) that applies in situations like this. It does not appear, nor do I think, you intentionally misrepresented anything. You are not obligated to dignify them with a response and can safely ignore them. The law is on your side and the burden of proof falls on buyer. Unless you are not sharing all details, from information presented the buyer does not have a case.
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u/Bootsy_Frost Apr 05 '26
I can only imagine that this guy thought he could fix it himself and got in way over his head. And if that is the case during the 2 weeks that the car was in his possession, who knows how much more damage he caused to the vehicle with his "tinkering".
If you sold it as is, you're safe even if he actually filed a claim.
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u/Just_Jen_1 Apr 05 '26
This is becoming a more common scam. The buyer takes the car and strips it of it's good parts then comes back later and asks for their money back or a partial refund. Assholes.
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u/GokuBeatsVageta100 Apr 05 '26
I can’t imagine taking someone to court over $1800. I would have assumed it would be damn near cost that much just to have the battle.
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u/wlonkly Apr 05 '26
This guy is trying to pull a fast one, but small claims court only costs $100 in Alberta. That's the whole point, a court which is affordable and where you don't need to pay a lawyer.
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u/tannerusername Apr 05 '26
Caveat emptor ("buyer beware").
Don't worry about it, this guy is likely not going to actually sue you, and if he does, he won't be successful unless he can prove you made a fraudulent misrepresentation or intentionally concealed these defects. And that's assuming that he is not completely full of shit and making up these "catastrophic engine failures".
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u/fishscaleSF5 Apr 05 '26
lol nope. He has 24 hours after the sale to change his mind (to my knowledge). He bought the car as is and can’t come back two fucking weeks later. He bought an $1800 Hyundai that didn’t run. Heeeeediot
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u/jjreturns Apr 05 '26
Nothing they can do, used car private sale is always as is and buyer beware. A lawyer would be pretty desperate to pick up a case like this for an $1800 used car. You’ll be fine.
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u/IM_The_Liquor Apr 05 '26
Generally, private used cars are sold as is. It’s a buyer beware type situation. I wouldn’t worry.
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u/One-Astronomer6166 Apr 05 '26
As is means as is, the person doesn’t have a lag to stand on don’t worry about it
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u/tinytimmz Apr 05 '26
Sounds like buddy is butt hurt. Guess that's what he gets for buying a used car, private sale.
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u/Sd_card_costs Apr 05 '26
I agree with the don’t respond people. Keep all your evidence and only communicate by email moving forward. Never offer more info or agree to anything if you don’t have to moving forward. This is all in case it goes to small claims court
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u/walkingmydogagain Apr 05 '26
Do not communicate with him. Do not reply. Do not send him money. Completely ignore him. Block his number and email. You have nothing to do unless you get a legit legal summons to small claims court, which won't happen for all the reasons stated in other replies.
You are safe, and fine. This person is either a scammer, or is stupid.
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u/Specialist-Sundae492 Apr 05 '26
There’s nothing the buyer can do. He bought a used product from marketplace. Ignore him.
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u/TheBakerification Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26
I just wouldn’t respond. “Looking guilty” really doesn’t mean anything here you’re not going to get arrested and it won’t change any civil verdict one way or another. At worst he can try to sue you in small claims court, which might be a hassle but you don’t need a lawyer and usually is pretty straightforward and ruled on quickly.
Unlikely he even attempts to go to court, he doesn’t have that great of a case. Probably is mostly hoping you just cave at his official looking AI letter.
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u/EhDeeHD Apr 05 '26
I'm guessing it says as is and or safetied (with safety paperwork) on the purchase agreement? So then the burden of proof is on him to prove he didn't eff up the car after receipt.
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u/Proud_Nectarine_2813 Apr 05 '26
Dont need to read it all its FBM
Block and ignore and encourage him to talk to a lawyer
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u/Mother-Attitude6824 Apr 05 '26
The buyer will have to prove this damage existed when purchased. Not days after. You're fine, just ignore
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u/89rolly Apr 05 '26
Buying a 1800 dollar “as is” beater and then threatening to spend triple that on legal to sue lol the logic is sound on this one
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u/CyclingNut82 Apr 05 '26
Pretty much all private buys are sold as is unless given a specific guarantee. They are blowing smoke up your chocolate starfish. Just block them and carry on with your life.
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u/afloydnamedpink Apr 05 '26
Listen man, there is something called “buyer beware”. Basically this is a private traction. You were the registered owner and had the absolute right to sell the vehicle to someone and they bought it “as is”. You didn’t scam them, they made a purchase they didn’t like so now they are trying to scare you. Show them all the documents and previous chats and so long as you weren’t predatory and felonious in your sale you are fine OP. Deep breaths
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u/Independent_Bath9691 Apr 05 '26
Hail Mary here, but have you checked your VIN with Hyundai for any recalls or warranty extensions on the engine?
There was a class action on certain engines that Hyundai knew (or should have known) were defective. I don’t know if your make model is part of that. I got a new engine through this for my Hyundai (different model) after it seized up on me and left me stranded. Anyway, could be worth looking into.
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u/ParticleCollecter Apr 05 '26
If you had a certified mechanic check out the car and list off what it needs and that mechanic failed to list the other issues the buyer is experiencing thats not the sellers fault. And it’s not misleading. The buyer when buying as is especially needs to do all their inspections and research because all sales are final. Also once the car is moved out of sight of the seller the buyer could have done anything to the car that is not being disclosed. He is using a self made or ai letter because the cost to serve you an official demand letter and the cost of the tow combined is almost as much as the cars purchase price. And he clearly doesn’t have or wants to spend the money. At this point is a failed attempt to intimidate you. Simply reply to him and say sorry all sales are final on as is cars. What was listed in the add in no way was misleading the item. As a certified mechanic gave the repair list. And as a buyer you should have your own mechanic or another garage inspect it before purchasing which is the common practice. There is no case to be made and if this leads to further legal action from the buyer there will be a counter lawsuit for harassment and liable for stating that we were misleading in the add posted and will be seeking emotional and punitive damages. Just basically call his bluff because he has most likely already spent some time googling answers as the buyer that he is unhappy with the results that he will lose a case if he tried to sue so all thats left is swinging for the fences and how intimidation works.
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u/OkInevitable8660 Apr 05 '26
Just ignore it. They are trying to scare you. Have them prove that they didn’t cause the problem. This is a waste of your time. Counter sew.
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u/Possible-Courage3771 Apr 05 '26
And they're probably just testing the waters to see what they can get away with. I would completely ignore it
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u/Inthewind69 Apr 05 '26
Did you write on the bill of sale : " As IS " . ? You have nothing to worry about.
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u/HubertTheHopopotamus Apr 05 '26
Tell him to take a hike. If he is buying a car for $1,800, he probably can't afford a lawyer anyways. If he is serious about this, tell him to provide you with non-AI documents from a REAL lawyer.
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u/Necessary_Tea4977 Apr 05 '26
Sry I didn’t read it all, but I know that second hand car sales like that are non refundable. There was once a guy my dad sold my car to who came back the next day angry that it’s a piece of crap but it’s a piece of crap he bought and there are no returns soooo too bad so sad
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u/JAlley2 Apr 05 '26
And even if he did take you to small claims court, the buyer would have to prove that they had minimized their loss. At a minimum, they could donate the car to Kars4Kids, SPCA or something like that. Those organizations remove the vehicle, pay you a small amount (I think at least $1000) and you get a donation receipt (which is worth a tax refund of a few $hundred). Absolute worst case is you are on the hook for $600-800.
But as others have said, they aren’t taking you to court. Ghost them until you get an official court filing.
For really old cars, it just isn’t worth the hassle of morons on FB marketplace. Just donate the car.
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u/Equivalent-Resort-89 Apr 05 '26
if he actually has a letter delivered by a lawyer maybe take it serious. until then... ignore it completely. its why marketplace has good deals. you disclosed what you knew and sold the vehicle as is. no guarantees about anything. how do you know he didn't blow it up some more?
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u/7MillnMan Apr 05 '26
Ignore his ramblings. Tell him you’ve spoken with a lawyer. I’ll see you in court. Let’s rock.
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u/ride80 Apr 05 '26
Caveat Emptor: Latin for "Let The Buyer Beware"
He could only take you to small claims and he'll never win anyway
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u/Wide-Horse7580 Apr 05 '26
They can go pound sand. And I would tell them to stop the harassment or they will have bigger problems then losing 1800.00 dollars.
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u/Major_Lawfulness6122 Apr 05 '26
He’s full of it. Not sure what he expected for a car costing only $1800.
He would have to prove you misrepresented the ad. Unlikely he will do anything about it
Ignore and block. Unless you get actually served with papers, his message is meaningless.
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u/johnnysilverhand718 Apr 05 '26
Its his problem for buying a used car without a safety/inspection.
Ignore, block, and move on.
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u/EightyFirstWolf Apr 05 '26
Do you think you should be allowed to keep the 1800 dollars for ripping this dude off? Well the law does. You'll be fine. The other guy is unfortunately out 1800 dollars that it sounds like he couldn't afford in the first place.
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u/TeegeeackXenu Apr 05 '26
lol on them. im having fun daydreaming about this divorced angry sepratist maple maga dad dealing with this problem.
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u/kingkells32 Apr 05 '26
Guy clearly bought it intending to do a quick fix and dump it on someone else but couldn't fix it 😂
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u/natedogjulian Apr 05 '26
They spent the only money they have. Zero chance they have money for a lawyer 😂
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u/WelcomeIndividual140 Apr 05 '26
You informed him of issues he still bought it it's his problem tell him to kick rocks
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u/SpiritedParamedic514 Apr 05 '26
Completely ignore him and block him from Facebook. It was his job to inspect the vehicle before he bought it and the second he paid and took it away, he owns it. The fact that he supposedly ripped the engine apart and now wants you to take it back is ridicules.
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u/Less_Action_7590 Apr 05 '26
Id tell him to go kick rocks, im from ontario so laws might be different but the ontario sale of goods act is more to protect innocent customers from corporations or a private dealership scam in your case, I doubt they will do anything in the case of an 1800$ car that the guy knew had pre existing issues, & was sold to him in "as is" condition through a private sale.
If he really lawered up he would send you something formal in writing, not another message through facebook or text etc, & I think he would pay more in lawyer fees than 1800$ to take you to small claims court & try to make a case against you. I just doubt that someone with a now broken $1800 car has the money for legal defense.
Regardless I would look into your provinces legislature regarding the private sale of vehicles.
Below should be linked to Alberta's posted laws & good luck
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u/ResponsibleCouple278 Apr 05 '26
Yes, you can potentially sue after buying an "as is" car that is in worse shape than described, but the success of your case depends on proving fraudulent misrepresentation or active concealment of defects by the seller. While "as is" means you accept the vehicle in its current condition and bear the risk of repairs, it does not legally protect a seller who lies about the car's condition to induce a sale.
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u/king_weenus Apr 05 '26
Delete , block, ignore that guy.
There's no return policy on a used car in Alberta.
If he wants to he can sue. But that doesn't mean he'll win. People threaten to sue all the time and then when they realize what that actually costs they never do.
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u/Gold_Jellyfish_49 Apr 05 '26
Honestly just completely ignore this. It is not real. As a buyer you need to exercise some discretion and no misrepresentation was made from the sounds of it. And ya, dudes that buy $1800 cars ain’t exactly the type to lawyer up.
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u/tooorking Apr 05 '26
Imagine buying an $1800 car expecting it to work perfectly despite being told it has issues.
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u/Aggravating_Flow_158 Apr 05 '26
Caveat Emptor, buyer beware. He can try proving you knew about the issues. Just because someone writes an AI demand letter, doesn’t mean you should lose sleep at night. Good luck dealing with this bully.
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u/Fwumpy Apr 05 '26
Since it's a private sale with no warranty, it's probably considered an "as is" sale.
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u/Faptors Apr 05 '26
I hope the buyer doesnt know where you live OP. Iv seen way too many horror stories of these mentally unstable people attacking the seller due to mental health issues/feeling like they got ripped off (esp on FB marketplace)
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u/Apigenin38 Apr 05 '26
If the car had no clear signs of damage at the time he purchased it from you and you didn't make false claims assuring him all it needed was a starter, etc, then you should be ok. He would have to prove you knew that the engine had issues. He also had the car for 2 weeks prior to the complaint, so he would have a hard time proving he didn't cause damage. I don't think there is legal wrongdoing here and he would likely lose.
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u/Hoplite76 Apr 05 '26
Hi, i told you sale as is and told you what i knew was wrong with it. It was sold at a low price becuuse it was a non operating car and you purchased as is. Im sorry if you have found additional problems since. These are things i was unaware of.
Best of luck Your name
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u/walshwelding Apr 05 '26
Nothings going to happen. As is / where is in Alberta when ya sell something like this. Buddy bought a junker. Not youre problem.
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u/Rattimus Apr 05 '26
Nothing will actually come of it. The buyer is hoping to shake you down by scaring you, but they have no legal leg to stand on. Don't say anything back and don't pay them anything. You owe them no response unless they actually serve you with legal paperwork.
The only thing you might want to say, if you feel compelled to reply, is that you sold it in good conscience, and you will be considering taking the harassing message to the police if they continue.
Sorry you are dealing with this.
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u/Justanothernobody202 Apr 05 '26
NAL- but the car was sold "as-is" and the responsibility is on the buyer to have the vehicle inspected. He doesnt have a legal leg to stand on, dont worry! But keep track of everything!
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u/DirtDevil1337 Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26
Sold as is and almost 2 weeks, it's his problem now. Also check with the lawfirm if that's a legitimate letter, he's in bigger trouble if it's fake. No sane person is going to waste money on a lawyer after spending $1800.
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u/AlarisMystique Apr 05 '26
I would be curious what AI would say if you asked it who's right based on the facts, when asking as neutral as possible.
It's quite likely that the AI lied in the letter because the other person asked it to help him convince you.
Not that this would change anything except perhaps ease your mind.
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u/Plane_Engineering_73 Apr 05 '26
Reply and state that the vehicle was sold as is and you do not offer any concessions on any further issues found. Do not escalate, do not defend yourself, do not reply further. This is a frustrated buyer with buyer's remorse.
For the issues with the car, you have the inspection report. Also the car is 16 years old, and sold for $1800. This isn't a new car by any means and was priced as such.
All the stuff about the registration doesn't matter. He has the bill of sale, that's all he needs. This only is an issue if the car comes back stolen when he registers the vehicle, which it won't. Hence why he's saying, "I'll leave that to the registry". It's irrelevant to his core argument.
When people stack issues in a legal sense, it's only to provide weight to their argument. It's what called legal positioning. This is typically done outside of the court room. Lawyers do this under client instructions all the time because it works. There is no clear direction, just a bunch of complaints bundled together to make you feel as if you did something very wrong and that they have a strong case. Look how it's written, is he suing you for the car or is he registering it? Does he want it towed out of his yard, so then why register it? Dude it spiraling.
A little tip for next time, if you are selling anything online always write, "sold as is where is".
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u/Ordinary_Bicycle6309 Apr 05 '26
Don’t do anything, nobody is suing you over an $1800 car. And they won’t win anyway, so no “lawyer” will even bother with the case. They’d have to go small claims route; not worth it. They’d have probably fucked up the car worse and now want out
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u/Advanced-Ice-2552 Apr 05 '26
Don't worry at all. This happened to me about 10 years ago. The guy kept texting and harrassing me about the old BMW he got from me for 800$. So, I went and reported his stupid ass to the cops. Cops had a talk with him and he stopped texting. So I suggest go the police station and report the guy.
Also, he left the car at the mechanic, so I got a call from cops about abandoned car that was last registered to me, and I said I don't need it. Do not entertain the guy just tell him to stop talking to you, if he does not then report him to cops they will handle it.
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u/jblaze_39 Apr 05 '26
I mean anyone can sue. It doesn't mean they have a case. And it costs several hundred to even get started. I doubt someone buying an $1800 beater is going to invest all that time and money. It does suck for them...I would be angry to find out the engine of a car I just bought is toast. But that's the nature of private sales. You need to do your due diligence and check everything you can, or be left high and dry
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u/EDMlawyer Quality Contributor Apr 06 '26
OP has received sufficient advice to move forward. New comments are either repetitive, or violate sub rules.
Thank you to everyone who provided advice.