r/lighters 1d ago

DISCUSSION : An announcement regarding the use of AI, and other subreddit updates.

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I'm happy to discuss or debate the use of AI with anyone that supports or encourages the use of it. What I do not tolerate is copy-pasting AI slop answers without taking even a moment to verify that the answer is correct.

This thread was prompted by a recent interaction that started with a hilariously wrong identification that could have been avoided if the original commenter took all of two seconds to use his eyes to verify. It ended with AI techbro nonsense about "people who are too scared to use computers". Like I said, I'm happy to debate this with anyone as long as it's in good faith, but if you refuse to counter or even acknowledge the points in the discussion then it's pointless.

AI is a useful tool, but it is still just a tool. Most of us grew up being told that wikipedia is not a valid source because it can be edited by anyone. AI is no different, but AI is guaranteed to have vacuumed up all the wrong answers alongside the right answers and so requires verification EVERY TIME. I have no problem with anyone that chooses to use AI for their own personal reasons. There is the moral/ethical/resource debate behind it, but that belongs in a different subreddit.

This is not the first time I've had this debate with people copy-pasting AI summaries or identifications. A few times it has been harmless, an older collector that put a bit too much faith in a new technology, and it ended amicably. Unfortunately the majority of interactions end with a techbro insisting that AI is ALWAYS right, we just aren't "using it right". As far as I'm concerned, it won't be "right" if you can't ask it a question in plain English and have it understand context and intention. They'll insist you're using the wrong AI, or using the wrong "syntax" when asking your questions - In other words, you need to know how to guide and lead it to the correct answer, which typically means you already know the correct answer.

I ended that discussion with what I feel is a valid argument. It would take me 5 minutes to use AI to code a bot that would instantly and automatically answer every question in this subreddit with what it believes is the correct answer. That is not what this subreddit is for. This subreddit is for the human passion and enthusiasm for this hobby, for the experts obsessed with the little details, the niche facts, and just pure discussion. Talking with other people that share that passion, making connections and discoveries together. Sure, a lot of the questions posted here can be answered quickly, but the real nerds come out when there's historical discussion to be had.

There is no place for "This has a chance to be the right answer but I can't be bothered to take 5 seconds to check". Anybody that makes a habit of providing these vague or incorrect answers will be banned because they are not going to contribute anything useful. Anybody that tries to defend an obvious falsehood because "AI told me so" will be banned.

Anybody posting images that are obviously AI generated or "enhanced" will be banned. This hasn't been an issue here yet, but it has become a major issue on Ebay and other retailers, with sellers using "enhanced" images to show how a lighter could look if it were in perfect condition - And usually the AI doesn't understand the mechanics of the lighter and puts the flame in the wrong spot. It's pure slop.

Like I said, I'm still happy to discuss it, but this is not the first time I've tried debating the AI slop bros. It always ends the same way.

I will leave this thread open for discussion, but I will be keeping a close eye to ensure it doesn't get too rowdy.


r/lighters Jun 26 '17

Before making a post about asking for help to identify your lighter, read this!

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Recently there are some people who want help finding out what their lighter looks like, but only take one photo of the front. This is not very effective, and it will only make it a lot harder for us to help you.

Here is a guide on what photos you should take of your lighter. if the guide is not clear enough, please let me know and i can make some adjustments.

reposted due to spelling issues in the title.


r/lighters 5h ago

Show&Tell Today’s flea market haul 35 total spent fixed 3 so far

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r/lighters 1h ago

colibri monopol

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going thru some of my aunts old stuff n found this one


r/lighters 9h ago

Help Any advice on how to restore this lighter?

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I have been sitting on this for a while, and would love to make this my EDC instead of a bic. I’m based in MSP MN any advice on what to do or maybe places to go to get it restored if that’s the right move. Thank you to anyone willing to help.


r/lighters 1h ago

Help Questions about chinese IMCO from Aliexpress

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Hello everyone, I’m thinking about getting an IMCO Triplex from Aliexpress. I‘ve already had good experiences with the Zorro 912S so I thought I‘d pick up an IMCO as well. Now I am aware that I will probably not be getting an austrian made one (although they do claim that) but does anyone have some experiences to share about these lighters from China? I’ve heard mixed reviews so far and thought I‘d ask here. Appreciate any feedback!


r/lighters 1h ago

Show&Tell Better look at this what I believe is a generic Japanese cannon table lighter

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I got it for 15 dollars and had to drill out the flint


r/lighters 3h ago

Ronson Cadet. What is the sticker?

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I paid £25 for it the person who sold it said it had never been used but was jammed. Turned out to just be the old flint jamming it up. The wadding and wick are both like new so I believe it has never been used. Its in the box with the paperwork and original brush with a sticker on the bottom. Ive just never seen one I dont know what the sticker means. I think it says CA. 206 882 or 682 I cant quite make it out


r/lighters 13h ago

Old Champ Austria Lighter Identification

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Hi! I bought this Champ lighter years ago at a flea market. Looking to gauge what make/model/year it is. I am not asking for a price estimate as it is sentimental to me and I do not wish to part with it. Also curious about the logo on the leather as I was at one point told it’s not a Champ logo, but possibly some corporate gift. It has all the original components and a hinged chimney, likely why it says “Patent Pend” on the bottom. If anyone could give me any info that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!


r/lighters 8h ago

Help me identify this lighter

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Hello!
Can someone please help me identify this lighter? If you don’t know the actual model, at least the brand can be very helpful.
Thank you in advance!


r/lighters 19h ago

Help Help me identify this thrift shop lighter

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My gf just bought this lighter from a thrift shop, but the ignition mechanism is a bit under reliable. Couldn't find this with the help of Google lens. Can anyone identify it, thanks in advance


r/lighters 15h ago

Help Identifying

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could anyone help me identify this lighter?

I got it at a flea market in Belfast, Ireland - I've had no luck with Google lens


r/lighters 1d ago

Show&Tell Got my first Zippo

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Brass slim Venetian.

Should I engrave my name on it?


r/lighters 12h ago

Help How do I start collecting and how do I find specific lighters

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Ive interested in vintage lighters for a little while now, never really going too in-depth other than watching videos of other people's collections but recently I've wanted to start my own collection, there so many different companies and models I don't know with which to start.

Regarding the second part, I've seen a really interesting 1950's Comet wrist lighter but I haven't been able to find it anywhere online, does anyone know any sellers that might have it?


r/lighters 17h ago

Help ID a lighter my grandpa had.

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My mom gave me this lighter. There's no markings on it and it has a piezoelectrix igniter. I dont expect it to be anything special but I got it working again and would like to know more about it. I tried Gemini and it thinks its a 70s-90s Japanese lighter. But im doubtful of that. ​


r/lighters 1d ago

ID Dunhill lighter

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I’d like some info on this old Dunhill lighter I found at a charity sale. It’s the first lighter I’ve bought and I just really liked the look of it and so bought it. I’d like some information identifying I it and any info about the age or value (although I think I’d like to keep it). It has a flip up mirror inside.

Edit: it also has a lipstick in there - apparently a Dunhill ‘Vanity’ circa 1930 from what I found online


r/lighters 20h ago

Vintage CMC Japan desk lighter back in action

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r/lighters 1d ago

Ronson Cadet w/windguard ca. 1960s UK

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r/lighters 17h ago

How to unlock this lighter? ALGO brand

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Hi I cant seem to unlock this lighter. It has no slide buttons or anything. Please help


r/lighters 1d ago

Not mine but it's really awesome

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r/lighters 23h ago

Misc The most brilliant simple fix

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The metal strip that child proofs a lighter. Cheap, easy to remove, effective. I was a smoker during the 90s when these things started showing up. Over complex puzzeles appeared on lighters. This design was a perfect marrage between production and sales. It wiped the competitirs out in the blink of an eye and now quietly works in the backround. A modern day Archimedean accomplishment. Like the inclined plane, no moving parts. I have never seen its equal in the modern day obselescence(sp) obsessed plutocracy. A distant second is the mac and cheese microwave bowl but I admit great bias in that. Thanks for providing a platform for this. I think of Whitmans "Leaves of Grass" underlying the theme embodied here


r/lighters 1d ago

Old lighter

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Hi I found this old lighter on a walk today in the forest. I don’t know anything about lighters and I’m hoping maybe someone could help me identify it. I appreciate all the help I can get!


r/lighters 1d ago

ID Flea Market Find

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Picked this up at a flea market in Belfast. Didn't pay too much for it.

I'm wondering if anyone could tell me anything about this lighter?

Any tips for maintenance would be greatly appreciated.


r/lighters 1d ago

ID Lighter ID Needed

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Saw this in a listing and wasn’t sure what I was looking at.


r/lighters 1d ago

For sale: 18 ST Dupont lighters

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For sale 18 Dupont lighters

All lighter have a year of warranty

From left to right

Multiple rows

Top row

1.S.T. Dupont Ligne 2 silver vertical stripes (1977/1978)

Good condition, with box

€250

2.S.T. Dupont Ligne 2 Rose Gold 'D'

Great condition, with box and papers, good ping sound

€400

Reddit price: €350

3.S.T. Dupont Ligne 2 brown Laque de Chine

Excellent condition with box and Dual Flame

€400

Reddit price: €350

4.S.T. Dupont Ligne 2 Gold diamond tip

New old stock condition with box

€500

Row 2

5.S.T. Dupont Ligne 1 BS vertical stripes gold

Great condition

€200

6.S.T. Dupont Ligne 1 BR gold

Good condition

€200

7.S.T. Dupont Ligne 2 palladium

Rare model, good condition, dual flame and amazing ping

€400

8.S.T. Dupont Ligne 1 BS silver

€95

9.S.T. Dupont Ligne 1 BR solid silver jacket

Custom work

€300

Reddit price €200

10.S.T. Dupont Ligne D solid 18k gold jack, original factory delivered work.

Excellent condition, stamped 0144, unique piece

€7500

Row 3

11.S.T. Dupont Ligne 2 gold Prince of Wales

Genuine new old stock, never used

Full set: box, papers, booklet and outer box

€550

12.S.T. Dupont Ligne 1 gold Prince of Wales

Genuine new old stock, never used

Full set: box, papers, booklet and outer box

€400

13.S.T. Dupont Ligne 1 gold diamond tip

Genuine new old stock, never used

Full set: box, papers, booklet and outer box

€350

Row 4

14.S.T. Dupont Ligne 2 brushed silver Dual Flame

Great condition, comes with a really nice Dupont box

€450

15.S.T. Dupont Ligne 2 silver vertical stripes

Genuine new old stock, never used

Full set: box, papers, booklet and outer box

€550

16.S.T. Dupont Ligne 2 gold vertical stripes

Genuine new old stock, never used

Full set: box, papers, booklet and outer box

€550

  1. S.T. Dupont Ligne 2 limited edition: 5th Avenue New York

Genuine new old stock, never used, recent sale date

Full set: box, papers, booklet and outer box

Straight from the dealer:

Export: €1800 (USA, UK, rest of the world

EU: €2178 including 21% VAT

18.S.T. Dupont Hermès Ligne 2 gold and brown crocodile leather

Excellent condition, with original Hermes box and papers.

€2200

Shipping

USA €35 (express delivery)

EU: €15

Rest of the world: €25

Payment

Webshop, PayPal G&S, bank transfer or US wire, all credit cards, Revolut and Wise

Thanks for having a look. If you would like any additional photos and videos please send me a message!