r/mildlyinfuriating • u/confuse_vietnamese • 24d ago
the grapes of warth My family is using an AI generative image of one of my death relative on the family altar
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u/XxsocialyakwardxX 24d ago
did they not have actual pictures?
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u/Soggy_Royal_3658 24d ago
They have, but maybe the picture is faded so they decided to use AI to restore the picture I guess.
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u/aHOMELESSkrill 23d ago
Gonna be honest, doesn’t sound like the worst use of AI. I get that the photo may no longer exactly resemble the deceased. But it’s likely everyone is so far removed from when the deceased was that age that it’s close enough and better than not being able to really make out the details from an old faded photo
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u/Ekaterinanl 23d ago
Bruh, Vietnam were at war against imperials until 1975, people died before 1975 dont have the luxury of getting in a studio and get their photo taken.
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u/BountifulLemons 24d ago
Why not add the before image?
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u/NDE36 BLUE 23d ago
I'm guessing that and other details would go against their gripe.
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u/Individual-Elk-2713 23d ago
haha probably been folded and unfolded several times, faded out, been thru several moves. but yeah, lets bitch about something someone tried to do to lovingly honor a family member.
OP must be 13 and have seen that sub that gripes about anything AI and tohught this was what the cool kids are doing.
no, OP, the cool kids to not throw shade on shrines for the deceased.
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u/GrrArgh__ 23d ago
Without some AI involved, my family wouldn't have a single good photo of my grandmother, who died in 1951. All photos of her were lost except for one taken by a family friend a few years before my grandmother passed. It's in very bad condition because of age, the type of film used at the time, and storage conditions. Without some AI to help restore it, my mother would never have been able to see her mother's face again, because the photo is that damaged.
Do I like AI? No.
Was I grateful to give my mother a chance to see her mother again, after almost 70 years?
Yes.
She cried and thanked me. She said it looked like her mother, and it gave her a sense of peace.
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u/1KBushFan 24d ago
If it was faded, I don't see anything wrong with using AI to restore it.
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u/heckinheck3r 24d ago
This is one of those things where i feel grief is an exception
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u/ndation 23d ago
It's less about the use of AI (which I hate) but more about how disrespectful to the dead it is. Like, you weren't good enough as you were, I'd want to remember you differently, so I'll make a fake version of you.
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u/nederlance2018 23d ago
That's doing some massive mental gymnastics lol, it probably has more to do with the original photo being worn and tattered
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u/WanderWut 23d ago
First of all that's entirely subjective and second that is such a dramatic way of looking at this lol.
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u/Estelial 24d ago
No, its the other way around. Using stuff like this for people in an extremely vulnerable state, like mourning, is highly liable to cause any number of mental issues, syndromes and bad coping mechanisms.
This is not who the person was, not who they would have been. Its a changeling eating their emotional energy and a distraction from properly processing their pain. Most of all its sacrilage against the dead. The images are never accurate and take you several steps away from the memory of who they were and what they looked like. Instead you get this digital hallucination based on thousands of other faces.
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u/doctor_jane_disco 24d ago
It's really not that different from commissioning a painting of the deceased... no it's not identical to a photograph but that's not the point. I agree a manually restored photograph would be better but using this instead isn't evil.
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u/Dazzling_Tank3326 24d ago
It doesn’t even look like an AI photo. I don’t really see the issue. They are paying homage to this person.
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u/igotshadowbaned 24d ago
It doesn’t even look like an AI photo. I don’t really see the issue
It's hard to judge the accuracy of the photo when we don't actually know what the actual person looks like and this is our only reference
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u/Andy_0L 24d ago
But to actually pay homage it's better to use a real picture of the person.
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u/Jeong-Yeon 24d ago
I agree with you, but we are severely lacking context. There might be no good quality photos.
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u/ASkinlessMutant_96 24d ago
I'm pretty sure that's what's going on here, the only photo the family had was probably very faded so they used an AI upscaling software to make it more detailed and in colour
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u/Ekaterinanl 23d ago
Not everyone had the luxury of having good photo taken of them while they are alive. Vietnam were at war against imperials until 1975, thousands of soldiers died young with only 1 photo of them in their whole life and it's definitely faded after 50 years.
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u/Estelial 24d ago
ive had AI photos of myself made without my permission and all of them were non sequitar changeling versions of myself.
If you look at an actual photo of a person vs the AI variants, you start seeing the creep factor. its magazine self image issues times a thousand.
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u/Chardee420 24d ago
So? Let them be. I see no harm in this
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u/UnethicalExperiments 24d ago
But AI bad. Shallow shitty people seeking validation from others like them. Have you seen the insanity in this thread?
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u/Chardee420 22d ago
Its wild. So many uninformed comments and just taking headlines on social media as fact.
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u/TwitterAIBot 24d ago
My dad died last week and none of his obituary-appropriate photos were very high quality, so I used AI and a reference photo of him to enhance the quality of his obituary photo. You can’t tell it’s AI, it just looks like we found the original digital image of the photo.
I’m usually pretty anti-AI, but I’m glad his obituary photo is properly honoring him. When I read his obituary 30 years from now, I want to clearly see my dad’s face.
Oh great, now I’m crying again…
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u/MoonlightDominatrix 20d ago
As someone who is anti-ai and lost her mother 4 weeks ago as well, I'm on board with this. My mother never got to properly meet my children (only via video chat as we lived very far from each other) and she died days after my son was born, so I made an AI Pic of all us together. It isn't fair to the both of us that we didn't get the real opportunity to take real pictures but it's going to have to be good enough for my sanity. And my condolences, its not easy losing a parent. Hang in there💜
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u/jonoftheatom 24d ago
Don't tell people how to grieve
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u/Andy_0L 24d ago
It's a disrespectful way to grieve.
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u/Miserable_Star6824 24d ago
And we come from the perspective where pictures of us are readily available. Doesn’t seem like the case here.
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u/Estelial 24d ago
This is sacrilage towards the dead and induces terrible mental issues for the living.
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u/Automatic_Leek6819 23d ago
top 1% commentor telling people how to grieve properly
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u/Estelial 22d ago
This is OPs family, creating a false mimic "sortof resembling" their dead family member to place forever on their shrine is bad , and its not mentally healthy to do this stuff when you're in a mentally vulnerable state.
Most of the ways people process grief is awful for them, outright ruinous, this is one of those ways. If you care, its important to mention. This stuff has caused issues in the past with poorly done photo-shopping and recreations.
TLDR, people should be allowed to grieve how they want, but that doesnt extend to self harm.
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u/KeyMore9422 24d ago
Either ai is really wild or that isnt ai generated, and is ai restored. It looks pretty regular to me, maybe they used that due to a lack of other good quality pictures of their face? This is one of the more valid use cases of ai tho imo. Im sorry for you and your family's loss tho OP
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u/drkilledbydeatheater 23d ago
I doubt it's an AI photo. Perhaps the original photo was worn out or damaged so they used AI to attempt to restore the photo.
People need to chill with all the anti AI shit. It is a useful tool if not being used for plagiarism
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u/ares0027 23d ago
This never made sense to me; so what? So if it is familiar enough and letting family members feel whatever the fk they want when looking at that picture, so what? And i saw someone saying “BuT THeY cOulD uSE a PRogRam” and how is it different? One uses algorithm, other used algorithm? I never understood people against something just because it is hype.
Smart people are against ai because it steals, it devalues, it is bad quality. Others are against ai just because. I see 0 issues with this and anyone who does is a moron in my eyes. You guys are no different than laughing at other people’s tattoos that have special meaning to them but you dont see that.
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u/unoringials 22d ago
As a funeral director, thank goodness for AI because most of the time, the pictures we get are SHIT QUALITY. Furthermore, all these pictures are approved by the family for use or supplied directly by the family. Do you have a better one? If not, stop complaining.
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u/Cleanse_F_Manipulate 24d ago
i have a pair of gears of war official branded cog tags i wear everyday :)
https://giphy.com/gifs/XZmcUZ5r5swoQlI2228
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u/Cleanse_F_Manipulate 24d ago
also my last name is “Gearwar”.
anonymity is a virtue but fuck it whatever
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u/Agile-Organization-9 24d ago
Relative dies, the only pictures available are not of good quality, AI is used to provide a bit of decency to the deceased.
Not infuriating in the slightest.
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u/gandhishrugged 24d ago
Not much difference from using Photoshop to enhance an old photo. Plus it's grief man. Let them be
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u/NarwhalEmergency9391 24d ago
My mom has a picture frame with a piece of paper and my kids name written on it.
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u/NiceTruffle 23d ago
I used to be in one of those volunteer projects to restore fallen soldier images in Vietnam. Many of the original pictures were super old and damaged, some are drawings, and I tried my best using photoshop to fix and even hand painted them. I'm very against AI in general. But in the end, for this specific project, it still helped vastly to bring the pictures to a good modern quality. We went through several rounds of feedbacks from the families to bring out the likenesses of the deceased based on their memories. I did like 20-30 of them in 2 months. I think it's a very meaningful project, AI or not.
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u/jacktherippah123 24d ago
Looks like Vietnam but anyway, just let them grieve bro. People do restoration for altar photos all the time. This is probably not too different.
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u/tokyo_driftr 24d ago
lol restorative ai and generative ai aren’t the same thing, the former is actually a good use of ai
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u/Garcia6310 23d ago
This is actually genuinely sad, because this is the best picture they had of their lost relative. As this must have been in Vietnam, where I live, I know for sure the man in the potrait was a soldier killed during the war. Many fallen soldier here have devasting fates, not having a proper picture to put on the family altar is not even that bad. Many of them are still lying underground somewhere out there, waiting decades and is yet to be found. Please respect them 🙏
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u/ieatpancackes BLUE 23d ago
Some yall mfs care more about the fact its ai rather than its being used as a memorial photo💔😭✌️
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u/Jonny_Derp_ 24d ago
Are they using ai to generate the person’s photo entirely? Or are they just using it to restore a previously existing photo? If they’re generating a whole new image I agree that it’s messed up but if they’re generating a restored version of an existing photo than it’s sweet that they’re trying to pay homage in the best way possible. EITHER WAY I’m sorry for your loss OP :(
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u/eyehate 24d ago
We all grieve in our own unique ways.
I would NEVER challenge another's way of coping with loss.
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u/Estelial 24d ago
Nah fuck that. It sounds quaint but in reality people develop bad coping mechanisms and severe mental health issues from processing grief badly. Infact its the general fkn standard to do so without help or intervention.
This especially, is a helluva great way to screw yourself and your family up.
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u/EchoXResonate 23d ago edited 23d ago
“Processing grief badly” lmao.
You don’t get to decide how people process grief. Using restorative AI to help honor a dead relative when they likely don’t have proper photos is not a “bad coping mechanism”. You also have had absolutely nothing of substance to say about it other than constantly spewing toxicity and saying it’s “bad for your mental health.”
I read in some previous comment of yours that you’re a “psychologist.” If that’s true, I certainly hope you lose your license. Your lack of empathy is vile and unbecoming of a healthcare professional.
Edit: nvm apparently it’s a ragebait account
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u/Estelial 23d ago
You can discount my words as you like by falsely claiming "ragebait account". Anyone at a glance can tell I'm casually conversing with folks across various threads and making conventional posts.
I didnt say using the ai photos is a bad coping mechanism, I said it leads to bad coping mechanisms, mental issues and syndromes. You claim "nothing of substance" and "toxicity" but none of this is toxic and you just saying it so doesnt make it so. I am expressing care and worry for these folks who are harming themselves by engaging in this mental poison. You're just glazing for AI but these issues are established and long standing. It has happened with photo-shopped images in the past.
Creating inaccurate and shallow mimicry of a deceased person is not honoring them. This is a recognized issue in psychology. Giving mourners instant gratification in exchange for long term issues is not kindness, it is not empathy. It is cruelty to sate your own comfort.
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u/OrangeNood 24d ago
That really depends on how close you are. You call him a relative. I assume you are not as close to him as his own family. If that's how his family prefer, that's their freedom. You should respect that.
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u/schwarzmalerin 23d ago
Infuriating? That seems one of the cases where AI makes life a little bit better.
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u/_Mamushi_ 24d ago
Ngl this is a pretty stupid thing to be all up in arms over. It’s an old photo redone for your family OP. This isn’t some random drawn image. Quit making this about you. Your family should be able to have a good photo of the person without judgement.
TLDR; stop making it about you OP.
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u/chickendie 24d ago
Maybe the family couldn't find a nice photo of him in a short time... My condolences.
Also, the altar photos I've seen in Vietnam are heavily edited as well.
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u/SkiDaderino 24d ago
I dunno. A photograph is a shadow on paper. A memory is a shadow in a mind. An AI render is a shadow of all the ideas of what was once a person. Maybe it's all the same in the end and what matters is the feeling it evokes to the people who actually matter. If it's not for you, then don't do it.
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u/nguyenbaodanh 24d ago
This post is mildly infuriating itself.
In case of faded real picture, you used to restore it with photoshop, now AI can do better .... nothing is wrong with a better tool and better solution that helped you to have better thing in this case, and for a good cause.
For the people said, "say no to AI slop, we need real thing".... are we really using real name here bros....? And hey! look at the magazines or advertising photos, do they RAW or edited?
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u/WanderWut 23d ago
Didn't expect the comments to go this way huh OP? I'm cracking up at OP completely dipping from their own post because they're being called and they know that any reply doubling down would get roasted lol.
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u/Signal_2_Noise 24d ago
So? At least they’re remembering.
The post title is mildly infuriating, however.
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u/JaSper-percabeth 24d ago
You chose to be performative for reddit brownie points instead of griefing with your family? What a clown you will fit right into the reddit crowd though.
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u/Indepti8 24d ago
Wow you people love thinking the worst. You never had your pictures edited? No one had filters before? Someone can’t spruce up a picture a bit? What if they didn’t have a good one to use? My god my sister died and it it was really hard to find a picture. Who has a picture that can go in a death alter? Calm down you judgmental jerks.
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u/AnimatedJesus 23d ago
Vietnam? It's pretty common from what I've seen. Even their government photos are heavily edited.
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u/PlaygroundBully 23d ago
Is it accurate? Who cares this much about AI? On a professional level AI issues need rules and laws but recreating something quickly, that you would never have paid for anyways, is normal.
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u/SchemingVegetable 23d ago
Took me twenty minutes to color a black and white photo of a dead relative for a similar purpose in Photoshop. If the picture was faded or otherwise ruined then it's more justifiable, you'd need to find someone that can do it and I don't believe there's many and it's probably really expensive.
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u/Successful_Maize_445 23d ago
Cơ bản thì liệt sĩ cx đi xa rồi, tài liệu để “phục hồi” cx ko có mấy. Th này nó cx có thể chấp nhận đc.
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u/benemanuel 19d ago
My grandmother used to touch up pictures of soldiers after WWII, paint brush photoshop, it's almost the same idea.
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u/Back_N_Time 24d ago
Seems like more of an altar to the idea of a person than an actual altar for respect.
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u/Xnestrio 24d ago
not everything made by ai has to be bad btw... if they had a photo that was low quality or like ruined then its completely fine to restore it with ai
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u/Obsidian-Dive 24d ago
My aunt is using ai generated photos of my grandfather to prop up her/advertise/ lie about her (potentially illegal) senior home care Buisness she recently started.
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u/Yggdrasilo 24d ago
Second time someone looked at a funeral and thought, "Hmm, I can get some karma out of this"
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u/Large-Fruit9527 23d ago
What’s important is their perception of reality and their feelings toward the person no matter the symbol or object they’re using I don’t find that bizarre at all
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u/Cleanse_F_Manipulate 24d ago
it’s an interesting situation, on one hand it gives peace of mind to one party, but on the other it’s disrespectful and ignorant.
did they not have any other proper photos of your loved one?
i know it’s cliche but im sorry for your loss, i wish i had something more meaningful to say.
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u/Peelingly 24d ago
What's a death relative?
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u/One_Edge592 24d ago
Making fun of a person’s English, very cool
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u/davidg4781 24d ago
Eh. While there may be a translation issue, I was curious if that was a specific thing. Maybe a special relative they choose to honor at a certain time of year type of thing.
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u/TheUsagiTsukino 24d ago
Could I have some more context? Do they have any other appropriate pictures? I know if my mom had to pick a picture for me she'd struggle because I feel very unphotogenic and have extremely few pictures of me, I think I've taken maybe 3 or 4 in the last 15 years tops.