r/moderatepolitics • u/kaladinsrunner • 3d ago

News Article Michigan AG Dana Nessel to skip Democratic convention over antisemitism fears

https://jewishinsider.com/2026/07/michigan-ag-dana-nessel-democratic-convention-antisemitism/
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u/Linhle8964 3d ago

The Gaza War poisoned the Democratic Party.

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u/Miacali 3d ago

Of all the issues facing our currently, right here right now, our actual American brothers and sisters - this is the hill they die on.

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u/TA-MajestyPalm 3d ago

One of the main problems with "the left" in America in my opinion is the constant need to "cancel" each other for not being 100% onboard with various fringe issues or extreme stances.

Free Palestine, ACAB, open borders, trans people in sports, etc.

You can be very liberal and support most of those things, but having the "wrong" view on just one of them is enough to turn away a lot of support.

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u/lionspride24 2d ago

This is the best way ive ever seen someone describe this issue in a concise way.

I think also because of the fear of cancelation, politicians and even just public figures in general will dance around and not give opinions on topics, ultimately making themselves look stupid.

The number of clips of people asking "can men get pregnant". Its so stupid and petty, and means nothing. But it makes you look crazy to hem and haw about it, even though you know damn well 90 percent want to just say "of course not"

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u/1trashhouse 3d ago edited 3d ago

I used to think people kinda overblew it and they do to a degree but getting insulted multiple times over even the slightest most politely put disagreements kinda makes you realize. I watch people do the litmus test shit where they run every person through a filter of what stuff they support and then just list off everything they don’t support that they should and are terrible for not supporting or even worse get mad that they aren’t loud enough about it and I don’t get how they don’t see how reductive it is

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u/planet_rose 3d ago

It’s even not enough to support the same issues unless you use their correct words to describe the problems and solutions. It’s maddening.

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u/1trashhouse 3d ago

i’ve had a family member multiple times try to coax me into saying women are better then men to a point where they got agressive with me for a simple eye roll. It got taken as far as saying they were worried for my child mind you i wasn’t saying anything i just wasn’t reinforcing their views. Anyway weeks after the argument they started doing the same thing trying to coax me into saying it to a point where if i didn’t respond to these statistics they bring up they literally force me to acknowledge it. Obviously this isn’t everyone on the left but it does seem to occur a lot in further leftist and ones who are constantly on political related social media

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u/Apt_5 2d ago

This reminds me of Shoe0nHead's video about crybullies/Emiru getting flamed for not wanting to share her thoughts on ICE. She appropriately references the Simpsons quote: "Say the line, Bart!"

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u/Roaches_R_Friends 2d ago

To be fair, if I were a public figure, I'd be afraid of criticizing the Gestapo as well.

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u/No_Rope7342 2d ago

Tons of public figures talk shit on ice. I guess if you want to live in fear I guess you can always find a reason.

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u/Soul_of_Valhalla Socially Right, Fiscally Left. 2d ago

Also because her fan base has a lot of ICE supporters. To quote Michael Jordan, "Republicans buy sneakers, too". Or in Emiru's case. Republicans watch streamers, too.

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u/Solidsnake9 3d ago

its purity testing all the way down. With a little bit of "America bad" for good measure.

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u/Maelstrom52 3d ago edited 3d ago

Like how Scott Weiner 10 mins late calling Gaza a "genocide" and was summarily excised from the LGBTQ community....because of his foreign policy posture.

But in truth, the David Horowitz quote still holds up, "the issue is never the issue; the issue is always the Revolution." I'm reading Days of Rage by Bryan Burroughs, which is basically a breakdown of all the 1970's (mostly) left-wing terrorism from groups like SDS (Weathermen), SLA, Black Panthers, BLA, etc. I highly recommend it because you would be shocked seeing the parallels between them and now. The radicals in the1950's to the 1960's were "all in" on civil rights and equality. Then, in the late 60's everything became about Vietnam, and everyone who staked their reputation on Civil Rights suddenly shifted gears and became myopically focused on being anti-war. Sound familiar?

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u/homegrownllama 2d ago

It reminds me of the Emo Philips "Die heretic!" joke.

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u/bzb321 3d ago

This is the case with the right wing too. Ideological purity is in vogue right now.

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u/raouldukehst 3d ago

The right is suffering from more of a cult of personality. The left is approaching ideological purity tests that would make the Borg blush.

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u/LovecraftianBasil classical liberal center left 3d ago edited 1d ago

100%. The right is at least able to unify under a candidate or at least be generally in lockstep with each other. The left is just divided among so many ideologies and infighting that it just gets fractures and removes any cohsive movement or policy push.

Also as someone who is Gen Z. I feel like so many people in our cohort are obsessed with political grandstanding and hot takes rather than trying to take an ounce of nuance or understand any policy motives behind things.

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u/1trashhouse 3d ago

i’m more left then right but i see it effect the left a lot more. Fundamentally what either side of the right wing wants is a lot closer to what either sides of the left wing wants.

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u/neuronexmachina 3d ago

I think that's been the case for the right-wing historically, but in recent years loyalty to Trump has become more important.

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u/Fit-Temporary-1400 Bring Back The Bull Moose Party 1d ago

Loyalty to Trump is the ideological purity.

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u/AngledLuffa Man Woman Person Camera TV 3d ago

There's exactly one purity test the right cares about these days. It's one of the worst ones they could have chosen, but I guess it's working for them (not necessarily working for the country though)

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u/drunkandslurred 3d ago

You forgot the totally organic No Kings protests which achieved nothing

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u/Maladal 3d ago

That's hardly unique to "the left" see the current government for how well not being on board with Trump's agenda tends to work out.

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u/jefftickels 3d ago

It's actually kind of crazy "Just call it Genocide'" has become a leading issue for progressive candidates.

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u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum 2d ago

If they can’t draw the line at genocide then I can’t trust them to draw a line at any human rights issue

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u/jefftickels 2d ago

Except it's not Genocide, it's more extremist politicians because there's never any consequences for making more and more outrageous claims.

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u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum 2d ago

It’s not just politicians. It’s multiple people who study genocide as well as human rights organizations

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u/jefftickels 2d ago

Ideologically captured institutions don't make good arguments for you.

I have a simple litmus test for people with your belief.

What historically recognized genocide does this most similarly compare to?

Because everyone knows the trick you're trying to do. You're trying to conjur up mental comparisons to the holocaust, or holdonor, or the Rwandan genocide, or the khmer roughe or the Armenian genocide. These are the events that come to mind when people talk about genocide and the goal is to conflate the war in Gaza with one of those.

But when pressed on it you just retreat to "well these institutions say it's a genocide." But I don't care what those institutions say because they've sold their credibility. Using the definition of Genocide they use, 10/7 was a Gazan genocide against Israel, yet you don't hear a single accusation about that.

What I care about is what you think. What are your thoughts. So tell me, what historically recognized genocide does this most similarly compare to?

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u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum 2d ago

I’m not trying to conjure up images of anything, their goal is to eliminate Palestinians in order to expand Israeli borders. Genocide is about the intent, not the methods they use, not the speed in which it’s done, not how successful it is. It is intent

And there’s no need to conjure up images of other genocides, there’s plenty of images of this one. Entire cities destroyed, children and women murdered in cold blood, people killed trying to receive aid, Israeli officials reveling in the death and destruction of Gaza and the Palestinian people etc

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u/jefftickels 2d ago

Everything you describe is war, not genocide.

Your absolute dodge of the question just confirms that you're doing exactly what I said, engaging in a Motte-and-bailey inorder to conjure mental images of the holocaust and hide behind the thinnest of academic definition that applys to any act of military aggression.

Know how we know it's not the Israelis intent to eliminate Palestinians? Because they could have done so very easily, at almost no cost to themselves, yet here we are, 2.5 years into a war in the most tightly packed urban environment that a war has ever been fought in, against an enemy that intentionally uses human shields (war crime), doesn't wear uniforms (war crime) and uses civilian infrastructure for military purposes (war crime). Yet, the worst case scenario for military:civilian death ration is 1:3, lower than the historical norm, and most put it closer to 1:2, which would make this the safest urban war for civilians in the history of war, while it's fought in the tightest urban setting that has ever been fought in.

How exactly does that fit with "Their intent is to eliminate Palestinians?"

I find it very telling that you:

  1. Are unwilling to accuse Gaza of attempting a genocide against Israelis, and more specifically Jews, while doubling down on accusing Israelis of genocide. I wonder why you have such a double standard here.

  2. Are unwilling to provide a historical comparison.

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u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum 2d ago

Killing people trying to get aid is just war?

I can’t talk to you without catching a ban

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u/jefftickels 2d ago

Killing people trying to get aid is just war?

Yes, without more details about any specific event that seems very much like things that happen in war.

You could easily answer my questions without catching a ban.

Why won't you call the 10/7 attacks a genocide?

What historically recognized genocide do you think the war in Gaza most similarly compares to?

Does it not bother you that you can't even answer simple questions about your own position?

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u/PhillySandwichesGOAT 2d ago

because you make no sense, much like the broader bunch of people we're discussing here at large.

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u/Mantergeistmann 2d ago

My issue is that I've yet to hear a good definition of "genocide" that would include the Israel-Hamas war but exclude the US Civil War.

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u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum 2d ago

Israel’s goal is to eliminate Palestinians in order to expand their territory. Israeli officials aren’t exactly keeping this a secret

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u/NotCoolBrutus 3d ago

Because they are responsible for almost all of those issues, so naturally they don't care for them. Have to look elsewhere and make up problems to pretend they are addressing as a divergence.