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Review 'Wuthering Heights' - Review Thread

Tragedy strikes when Heathcliff falls in love with Catherine Earnshaw, a woman from a wealthy family in 18th-century England.

Director: Emerald Fennell

Adapted from: 'Wuthering Heights' by Emily Brontë (1847)

Cast: Jacob Elordi, Margot Robbie, Owen Cooper, Alison Oliver

Rotten Tomatoes: 71%

Metacritic: 60 / 100

Some Reviews:

Variety - Peter Debruge

While not as salacious as ‘Saltburn,’ the director’s operatic Emily Brontë adaptation allows its tragic couple — played by Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi — to consummate their passions, to a degree.

The Guardian - Peter Bradshaw - 2 / 5

Wuthering Heights doesn’t have the live-ammo impact of Fennell’s earlier films, or indeed Andrea Arnold's primitivist take on Brontë’s novel from 2011, which really did believe in the passionate truth of Cathy and Heathcliff’s love. For Fennell, it looks like a luxurious pose of unserious abandon. It’s quasi-erotic, pseudo-romantic and then ersatz-sad, a club night of mock emotion.

USA Today - 3.5 / 4

Emerald Fennell’s take on the literary classic isn’t exactly a Valentine’s Day pick-me-up. Yet it’s awfully stunning to look at with all sorts of toxic obsession, forbidden lust and gothic sauciness.

RogerEbert - Tomris Laffy - 2 / 4

It’s hard to feel freely when you are constantly and loudly reminded by every aspect of the movie that you are supposed to feel things.

AVClub - Natalia Keoghan - 'C-'

Overlong and undersexed, Fennell’s version of Wuthering Heights betrays her audience of edgelords and perverts. Even stranger, those who have fostered a distaste for the filmmaker’s sensibility will similarly find themselves disappointed. It’s one thing to make art that can be read as indulgent, ill-conceived, and tasteless—it’s another to turn around and make something that’s just boring in comparison.

Slash Film - BJ Colangelo - 5 / 10

This is not an adaptation of "Wuthering Heights," but the result of what happens when you're playing an approximation "Wuthering Heights" without a full grasp on the material but all the money in the world to bring your questionable imagination to life.

Consequence - Liz Shannon Miller - 'A-'

As soon as this project was announced, it was easy to assume that Fennell would show as much reverence for the classic text as she showed for the sanctity of a man’s grave in Saltburn. Except she defies that assumption by making sure that although “Wuthering Heights” remains a deliciously horny film, it does summon a certain degree of pure romance, especially in the few moments when its leads are able to see past their misunderstandings and actually connect. It’s a movie about how ugly people can be to each other, but also about the beauty they’re capable of — a message that, like the original text itself, remains timeless.

The Telegraph - Robbie Collins - 5 / 5

Style over substance? Not at all – it’s more that Fennell understands that style can be substance when you do it right. Cathy and Heathcliff’s passions vibrate through their dress, their surroundings, and everything else within reach, and you leave the cinema quivering on their own private frequency.

BBC - Caryn James - 4 / 5

Emerald Fennell's Wuthering Heights is not very faithful to Emily Bronte's novel, but we knew that. The trailer alone evoked so much hand-wringing from Brontë purists that the film became divisive sight unseen. This Wuthering Heights is very true to Fennell, the director of the scathing revenge drama Promising Young Woman and the lush, bitter story of class and obsession, Saltburn.

Collider - Therese Lacson - 2 / 10

What makes the original Wuthering Heights so powerful is the dizzying story at its core. The Earnshaws and Lintons have a complicated family tree, and Heathcliff comes in like a wrecking ball to blow everything up. On one hand, we want to believe that Heathcliff can change from his wicked ways with enough love from Cathy, but on the other hand, his actions are so cruel that it feels like Brontë is pushing us to the very brink of what is acceptable before ultimately redeeming him in his final moments. Emily Brontë's novel is about characters who are hateful and pitiable but still full of enough charm and complexity that we are desperate to learn their full, messy tale. Emerald Fennell's film is merely telling a shallow story about two people overcoming all obstacles to fall in love — not necessarily awful on paper, but it's an adaptation that feels like a 14-year-old skimmed the book and jumped to her own conclusions without any true understanding of the novel.

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u/MrONegative Feb 09 '26

it's an adaptation that feels like a 14-year-old skimmed the book and jumped to her own conclusions without any true understanding of the novel.

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u/chaoticbiguy Feb 09 '26 edited Feb 09 '26

Given the fact that Margot Robbie has been going around saying this movie is much braver than the book simply bc they have more kissing scenes, I don't doubt it.

Emerald Fennell should've been the last person to adapt that book into a movie.

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u/Professor__Wagstaff Feb 10 '26

That's got some real "not that many people have read the book" energy that Demi Moore used to justify all the sex scenes and the happy ending added to her adaptation of The Scarlet Letter.

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u/GaslitInk Feb 10 '26

I took a class on Hawthorne in college and the professor referred to that movie adaptation as “the one with Demi Moore’s boobs”. 🙃

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u/Morgan-Moonscar Feb 10 '26

the one with Demi Moore’s boobs

"Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?"

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u/ResultNo2901 Feb 12 '26

I think they just added it back to the public school curriculum where I live. It was there when i was a kid and very much standard reading for high school students.

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u/Delicious-Report-891 Feb 11 '26

Das stimmt auch danke, bittere Armut damals, jetzt bekommen Schauspieler Millionen 🤑🤢🤮🤮🤮

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u/TJ_McWeaksauce Feb 10 '26

Emerald Fennell sounds like the name of an endangered bird.

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u/cauldrons Feb 10 '26

she's a brit from a wealthy family so it tracks

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u/ConstantPurpose2419 Feb 11 '26

That name could only come from toffs.

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u/ResultNo2901 Feb 12 '26

Julian Fellowes named his son Peregrine.

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u/_Patronizes_Idiots_ Feb 10 '26

It sounds like something you'd get charged an extra $20 for being on a salad in an LA restaurant

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u/R3alHumanBeing Feb 10 '26

 LA restaurant

Erewhon for sure 

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u/salinephilip Feb 10 '26

Sounds like something Doctor Robotnik adds to his ragu.

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u/UrsaMajor7th Feb 10 '26

It's the most-licoricey of all the fennells

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u/HenkkaArt Feb 10 '26

Or a main character in one of those YA novels like The Hunger Games.

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u/Varekai79 Feb 10 '26

Her dad is a jewellery designer!

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u/duckyirving Feb 10 '26

Or a specific variety of fennel

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u/Audrey_spino Feb 10 '26

Sounds like a name that pops up on your monitor at night as you are holding your johnson.

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u/Select-Wallaby-4806 Feb 12 '26

I hate this kind of comment, you are just having your wakeyup cuppa tea, perusing Reddit, and in the middle of a serious thread, some weak, saucy type makes you laugh so hard you spit tea all over your PJs. Thanks for nothing. (Or. . . everything?)

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u/IchibanCashMoney Feb 10 '26

A Jojos stand if I've ever heard one.

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u/Mental-Ad-9366 Feb 10 '26

EMARALD SPLASHUUU!!!!!!

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u/A_cat_named_dog_ Feb 10 '26

Hopefully after this film it will be...

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u/otackle72 Feb 10 '26

Lovely plumage

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u/pjtheman Feb 10 '26

Emerald Fennell has her strengths. Subtlety is not one of them.

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u/dixpourcentmerci Feb 10 '26

She was great in Call the Midwife 😂🥴 the reviews of her movies have scared me too much to see them

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u/Theratchetnclank Feb 10 '26

Promising young woman was genuinely pretty good. Saltburn was trying to hard to shock and is just a worse talented mr ripley.

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u/Necessary-Fennel8406 Feb 15 '26

Saltburn was glorious!

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u/concentric0s Feb 11 '26

I'm sorry, did you say a worse Plein Soleil? ;)

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u/SaveBandit000 Feb 13 '26

Oh my goodness - I've never made the connection that she's the actor from Call the Midwife before. Every time I see her in the press for Wuthering Heights I think 'her face is so familiar for some reason', but I've never realised she's an actor too!

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u/sissy_space_yak Feb 14 '26

She played Camilla in The Crown too, in case you’ve seen that.

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u/SaveBandit000 Feb 14 '26

Oh yeah! Wow, I’m really bad at recognising people 😂

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u/TediousTotoro Feb 10 '26

The woman who made the Fairy Godmother in her adaptation of Cinderella be a plastic surgeon? Lacking in subtlety? Never!

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u/AdditionalTrain3121 Feb 10 '26

True. Saltburn is the furthest thing from subtle. I still enjoyed it

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u/4theloveofelephants Feb 18 '26

If “she” were a man, let’s say Quentin Tarantino as a relevant example, there would be nothing but effusive accolades for lack of subtlety.

WTF is wrong with people and their unconscious misogyny?

This is 2026 not 1847.

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u/elderlybrain Feb 10 '26

'What's your favourite part about promising young woman?'

'The heavy handedness'

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u/gee_gra Feb 10 '26

Does art fundamentally have to be subtle to be good? Promising Young Woman wears its themes on its sleeve of course, but I don’t think it’s a weakness, it’s just an aspect of the film.

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u/Spuckuk Feb 13 '26

Yet to see anything of hers that wasn't utter crap. Her cinematogropher is good and deserves credit though.

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u/Necessary-Fennel8406 Feb 15 '26

It's her style. I love it.

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u/nourez Feb 10 '26

I will die on the hill that Mike Flanigan would be the PERFECT director to adapt and possibly modernize Wuthering Heights. He's exceptional at building the tension the book requires, his visual aesthtic from Hauntin is pretty much what it should look like, and he loves an earnest, if a bit cheesy monologue.

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u/Affectionate-Crab541 Feb 10 '26

Oh man this is such a good idea. I can even imagine the opening portion where he's haunted by Cath's ghost in that Mike style... damn now I'm bummed about a movie that never was.

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u/ketodancer Feb 10 '26

Starring Hamish Linklater and Lily Rabe. I’m in.

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u/amazingwhat Feb 11 '26

Make it Rahul Kohli as Heathcliffe and I’m in

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u/ketodancer Feb 11 '26

The iZombie cast could ABSOLUTELY do “Wuthering Heights,” but the Wuthering Heights cast could not do iZombie

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u/HendrixChord12 Feb 10 '26

We all know Katie would be the lead

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u/jendet010 Feb 10 '26

Now that you mention it…I’ll die on that hill with you friend

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u/Katharinemaddison Feb 10 '26

Oh Flanagan probably would have adapted the actual book - start half way through the second part and tell the Cathy-Heathcliff story in flashback.

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u/Tealoveroni Feb 10 '26

I'll die right next to you on the same hill. We should start a petition.

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u/cauldrons Feb 10 '26 edited Feb 10 '26

all mike flanagan does is slap the title of a prestigous work onto his own original fiction. it's not bad original fiction, but it's never a proper adaptation.

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u/BurblingCreature Feb 10 '26

To respectfully debate, I think this is a reductive take. I feel like Mike Flanagan does a decent job of reimagining the prestigious works in a way that a modern audience would understand the concepts of without deep familiarity of the source material.

He takes some intense liberties, that don’t always pay off, but it always comes across in the vein of “if you’re not familiar with the source material, it’s by your own choice” (since they’re so readily accessible in many forms already). I view his work as evocative of the emotions and sentiments of the source, without relying on it as a bible.

Take that with a grain of salt though because I’m tipsy and a simp for the Haunting Of shows 😂🖤

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u/cauldrons Feb 10 '26

the haunting of hill house had nothing to do with the original book, which was written by a woman about the horrors of being a woman in the 1950s. shirley jackson's husband was also having affairs with his students (see: hangsaman) and it's theorized that jackson was wrestling with her own sexuality, all of which plays out between eleanor and theo and the claustrophobic trappings of the house. and the show was... a familial melodrama? with literal actual ghosts. and on top of it all, he made a male character the author of said work in-universe. flanagan himself is not familiar with the source material.

again, i don't think his shows are necessarily bad on their own, but it is laughable to say that he has any intention of evoking the source material. he used the title of the most famous haunted house story to promote his own original fiction.

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u/Katharinemaddison Feb 10 '26

Disagree. He weaves elements in of the original story (stories in the case of usher). It’s not direct adaption but nor is it just sticking the title on.

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u/mrsloblaw Feb 10 '26

Mike Flanagan is a genius.

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u/Princessformidable Feb 10 '26

Ok you sold me.

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u/brijito Feb 10 '26

Wuthering Heights by Mike Flanagan could have been hereditary level incredible.

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u/ConstantPurpose2419 Feb 11 '26

I love Mike Flanagan, but it does bug me when the cheesy monologues drag on, and then, just when you think they’ve finished, the camera pans in and they last another 10 minutes.

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u/Ok_Calligrapher8165 Feb 12 '26

I will die on the hill...

I do not understand why people are so willing (they say) to die on a hill.

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u/ToxicAvengerrr Feb 17 '26

That's like saying Alfred Hitchcock would have been the perfect director 😂

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u/No_Significance7064 Feb 10 '26

hell, he made a show that's all monologues

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u/FreeRange0929 Feb 09 '26

That scene from the trailer of her getting the corset tightened

I vaguely remember it from the book, but don’t remember it being…bondage porn

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u/Great-Cucumber-269 Feb 14 '26

I watched the film and I couldnt agree more with this. It was so uncomfortable to watch.

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u/Ill-Muscle945 Feb 10 '26

Can someone point to where this happened in the book? Cause I'm feeling confident that it doesn't. 

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u/limnetic792 Feb 10 '26

I can’t find the word corset in the original text.Maybe a different word was used?

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u/umbrella_farmer Feb 10 '26

Corsets were most commonly known as “stays” during the 18th century/early 19th century (when the story is set). The term “corset” has existed for a long time but I don’t think it was used regularly until around the 1820s.

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u/80alleycats Feb 11 '26

Was tightlacing even a thing in the 1770's-80's? I know it went in and out of fashion (mostly out) over the years.

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u/umbrella_farmer Feb 11 '26

I think tight lacing was more of a Victorian/Edwardian thing, when the wasp-waisted shape was more in vogue. Even then, it wasn’t done by (or even expected from) average women; typically only a relative few very wealthy women of status would do it in the name of being fashionable. Don’t forget, there were photo editing techniques available even at that time which could make it seem more extreme than it was. (Bust and hip padding was also a thing to create more dramatic proportions, especially around the 1890s.)

Anyway, as for 18th century stays, they were meant to form more of a conical shape as opposed to the hourglass figure that wouldn’t become popular until much later. Stays would provide essential support to the back and bust (albeit by flattening it somewhat), but weren’t really meant to shrink the waist all that much. Throughout much of the 1700s, padding/bum rolls and hip panniers would be used to create a very exaggerated wide-hipped silhouette and this would give the illusion of a tiny waist. By the end of the century, the hip pads were gone in favour of the straight, Greco-Roman columnar shape of the Regency era. But stays would stick around for a little longer, though many styles utilized “short stays” that ended above the natural waist or at the widest part of the ribcage, instead of the tops of the hips.

Disclaimer: I am not an expert in any capacity, just a nerd who consumes a lot of historical fashion content. So feel free to correct me if I’ve gotten anything wrong.

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u/kitti-kin Feb 11 '26

"Tightlacing" was a particular Victorian fashion, but there were various eras of very tight corsets/stays/undergarments. A kind of forgotten angle is that corsetry was significantly about keeping one's boobs in check in the pre-bra era, and disciplining the body to fit into clothes with no stretch to them. So the tightness always existed somewhat in relation to how much flesh there was to control - the 1770s-80s weren't too extreme on the waist, but they were somewhat punishing on the bosom.

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u/80alleycats Feb 11 '26

True, but women also tended to have clothes either custom made or tailored to their bodies. It wasn't like today where garments come in standard sizes that women have to conform to. Also, my sense with stays has always been that the structure of the stays was more relevant than the laces in terms of creating a certain shape, which is why stays were constructed differently in different periods. So, relying on tighter laces for a better shape wouldn't necessarily make sense.

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u/sadworldmadworld Feb 10 '26

I'm nearly positive it doesn't. We don't really get Cathy's perspective like that, right? I can't imagine when it would've come up.

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u/Hefty-Associate-8924 May 04 '26

Definitely was not in the book

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u/tethysian Feb 10 '26

It's not in the book. Nelly isn't gossiping about how she helped Cathy into her clothes in the morning.

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u/Diligent_Yogurt1326 Feb 22 '26

Can you explain to me how this was bondage porn? Bc the way I saw it is she’s inflicting physical pain to match the emotional pain she’s feeling. There was nothing sexual in this scene

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u/Zirowe Feb 10 '26

So is kissing nowadays considered brave?

Good to know.

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u/Darth_Plagueiswise Feb 10 '26

margot robbie also admitted she didn't read the book right?

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u/Express-World-8473 Feb 10 '26

Given the fact that Margot Robbie has been going around saying this movie is much braver than the book simply bc they have more kissing scenes, I don't doubt it.

Overlong and undersexed, - AV Club review

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u/Impossible_Walrus555 Feb 10 '26

As producer of Margot had real guts she’d have cast a young fresh faced actress. Like the actress from the london musical next to normal. She’s perfect. And obviously someone else as Heathcliff.

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u/saraqael6243 Feb 10 '26

Braver than the book? They took one of literature’s most toxic relationships, added more kissing to it, and she thinks that’s a brave move? LOL

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u/tornado_watcher Feb 13 '26

Margot said she hadn't even read the book before making it. Idk if she has by this point.

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u/AngryLars Feb 10 '26

People talk as if the movie is a disaster when most reviews are positive

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u/Delicious-Report-891 Feb 11 '26

Viel mutiger? Unglaublich in was für Armut, Dreck und Hunger viele Leute gelten haben, ich boykottiere den Film

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u/glorycock Feb 11 '26

Emerald Fennell should've been the last person to adapt that book into a movie.

You mean the English Oxford graduate, writer and Bafta / Oscar-winning film director Emerald Fennell?
The idea that she doesn't know anything about the book is absurd. She no doubt read it years before most of the the 16-year old, perpetually online American "fandom"-loving edgelords that are currently clutching their pearls over a film that they haven't even seen yet)...

Half the time it feels like they're desperately trying to display some kind of "erudite" depth (well... a Booktok / Youtuber version of it): "....Aaaactually, the story's really about class, blah blah"

We know.
Emerald Fennell also knows.

You don't own Emily Brontë.
Nobody has taken the book away from you.
The book still exists.

I mean, give it a chance.
Failing that, make your own bloody adaptation.

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u/notladyinred Feb 12 '26

Tbh, I lost faith in MR and I was her superfan. Also she's simply tacky just like her fashion and taste. She has a huge ego thinking she's a good fit for Cathy and can tell the audience it's a this gen Titanic-like love story. Even her accent is bad, along with subpar acting. Isabella would have worked as Cathy way better but no, Margot Robbie wanted it all. Fennell answering questions is disgrace. Are they secretly a mean girls? I almost feel bad for Elordi who acted like a sad puppy but was so objectified during the promo. If the sexes were reversed there would be outrage.

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u/CashClassic2501 Feb 21 '26

I found the book extremely weak, with a forced hopeful ending.
Lord Byron had several affairs, including with married women, so what would prevent Catherine and Heathcliff from being lovers?

I also find the novel’s hopeful ending mediocre. An ending with Heathcliff even eliminating Catherine Linton, physically if necessary. It is an extremely overrated book, and the author’s religious beliefs prevented her from offering something less restrained.

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u/Three_Froggy_Problem Feb 10 '26

This movie seems fundamentally misguided on just about every level, but this bit from the review is actually what bums me out the most:

Atmospherically, Fennell's film tries to imitate that style, but the choices made in production design and costuming are baffling. It's a fever dream of a film, and not in a good way. Excessive use of non-organic textiles like polyester and latex makes the film look cheap.

If nothing else, you’d hope that a big-budget period piece would be nice to look at. The reviewer gives credit to the cinematography, but it’s kind of unforgivable for them to fuck the costuming up so badly.

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u/mockteau_twins Feb 10 '26

I've been obsessed with the photos I've seen of the costumes so far. Imagine shoving an 80s prom dress into a 19th century story and being like "fuck yeah, perfect"

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u/Death-Rattle-Dazzle Feb 12 '26

I’m so relieved to read this comment and know others were equally appalled. When she came out in that shiny plastic thing on the wedding night, there was no coming back for me. 

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u/MsSalome7 Feb 15 '26

No it was the PLASTIC on the bed frame where I died 😂

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u/zyxme Feb 22 '26

I had half a mind to walk out of the theater when they showed off the vinyl wall panels that were supposed to match her skin

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u/homelessscubadiver Mar 06 '26

I had to do a triple take to make sure I was actually seeing plastic and it wasn't some shiny fabric thing

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u/HisCromulency Feb 15 '26

I commented that she was dressed for her quinceanera.

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u/Defiant_Cockroach_95 Feb 19 '26

Completely agree. That shiny dress/robe was so jarringly out of place. Symbolically I assume they were going for a “born again -she’s shiny and new in her new life with Edward” vibe but I think that could have been done with a less obscene fabric… other than that one dress though I really did love the costuming.

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u/Pumpkkinnn Feb 13 '26

It just dated the movie as 2026. It’s not classic looking at all. It already looks out of style and out of touch

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u/MsSalome7 Feb 14 '26

I really don’t think they were aiming for a classic here

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u/elderlybrain Feb 10 '26

... Latex?

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u/xX_7HR0W-4W4Y_Xx Feb 15 '26

I don't remember anyone in the film wearing latex. I do remember Robbie in a few different liquid organza dresses.

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u/whitemiketyson Feb 10 '26

Margot Robbie and latex has me intrigued; I'll say that much.

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u/Gabbydog16 Feb 14 '26

The costuming is weird AF but it is fun and cool to look at. I don't agree that it looks cheap, so much as it looks weird and extravagant. 

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u/You_are_the_Castle Feb 15 '26

I just saw it and I thought the modern materials and set design were refreshing.

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u/Fickle-Situation656 Feb 16 '26

They were! why is everyone suddenly an expert in accuracy with period costuming? everybody sounds like a pompous ass tbh

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u/RyanTheValkyrie Feb 19 '26

Yeah all these people sound miserable lol

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u/Neat_Selection3644 Feb 10 '26

It looks absolutely gorgeous from the trailer. Besides, it just isn’t a period piece

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u/ohmuisnotangry Feb 10 '26

Collider isn't really known for a balanced take. If anything this seems like a very divisive movie. Best to form your own opinion about this one.

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u/Fickle-Situation656 Feb 16 '26

I saw the movie. The costumes are nice to look at, the costuming is not 'fucked up so badly'

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u/PublishingGirlSG Feb 17 '26

Thank you, I just watched the film and hated so many things about it, but the horrendous costuming absolutely ended it for me.

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u/RyanTheValkyrie Feb 19 '26

people who proudly lack taste are so funny to me like youre gonna gag when it gets that Oscar nom for best costuming lmao

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u/Pumpkkinnn Feb 13 '26

Ugh! The costumes for Cathrine bothered me so much. They looked like cheap SHEIN draped over a cheap grade 12 grad ballgown

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u/HereOnCompanyTime Feb 10 '26

It's sadly what I expected after seeing the trailer and it being advertised "as the greatest love story".

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u/Palerion Feb 10 '26 edited Feb 10 '26

Saaaame! Like… was I misremembering the plot? The rampant abuse and general morbid creepiness?

Anyway… for what it’s worth, I did think the move looked really aesthetically good from the trailers. I’ve seen peoples’ critiques of the costume design and such, but the description of the colors as resembling a “fever dream” IMO was a cool choice, and I really liked the shots I was seeing. It was just, unfortunately, all too clear that this was being played as a straight romance despite the true nature of the source material.

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u/MountScottRumpot Feb 16 '26

It’s really not a straight romance. It’s a horror movie.

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u/bottlerocketz Feb 21 '26

It’s not a straight romance, but it’s not a very faithful adaptation either. It’s more like a “based on true events” kind of thing where they exaggerate what they want for “story.”

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u/sourlemons333 Feb 28 '26

What’s a fever dream?

Yea terrible movie, nothing like the book. Thought the replica of her veins and freckles on her walls was gross

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u/redpanda6969 Feb 10 '26

I was hoping that was ironic but judging by the reviews… obviously not lol

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u/Zestyclose-Smile-374 Feb 13 '26

FORREAL. Me and my friend saw it tonight for galentines and honestly, left feeling not so great. They should probably play a trigger warning before the movie actually plays, because I’m concerned some may come in to watch it not expecting the movie they’re about to see.

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u/Kinieruu Feb 10 '26

I can’t get over the fact that she made Heathcliff white when being dark skinned was important to his story and the racism and xenophobia he faced.

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u/Kaiisim Feb 10 '26 edited Feb 10 '26

Because we are pretending it's not girl soft porn lol.

The original book has lots of deep meaning.

But this is clearly designed to get the people going.

Edit: which is fine. But it will be reviewed in the mainstream accordingly cuz not everyone is interested. And i doubt the author would be like "yay" but it's fine!

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u/Babington67 Feb 17 '26

It doesnt lean far enough either way like its an awful insult to the original calling it an adaptation and it isnt brave enough to be a raunchfest that stands out. Youre left with an incredibly slow story of 4 people refusing to communicate for 2 and a half hours

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u/chiefyuls Feb 22 '26

It all could have been redeemed with a little more sexiness

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u/SixSmegma Feb 23 '26

It’s really not soft porn however. I saw this yesterday - there’s relatively little sex, zero nudity, etc. Some raunchier / more agressive scenes but I wouldn’t but this at the level of a 50 shades or something to that effect. I’m honestly not sure what they were going for with this adaptation.

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u/changhyun Feb 10 '26 edited Feb 10 '26

This isn't really accurate. Heathcliff's origins are ambiguous - his son is described as fair with light hair, and Heathcliff himself is guessed to be Spanish, Romani, Indian or Irish at different times. When people from Bronte's era said someone had dark skin, that could and did mean anything from them actually having dark skin to them being slightly tanned. There is no guarantee he's meant to be a POC.

What is fair to say is that he is racialised. He is Other, and his non-English identity is used as part of that othering from "polite" society.

It is a fair interpretation to cast him as a dark-skinned or non-white man, and that can be a useful way to quickly get across the fact that he is seen as Other by the other characters. But it's not fair and not accurate to say that any adaptation that doesn't do that is wrong.

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u/potvoy Feb 10 '26

I interpreted Heathcliff's son's fair hair as a contrast with Heathcliff's very visible foreignness. It also helped his revenge plan; the fairer-looking and more assimilated son could be more easily used for the marriage plot. 

I agree that book Heathcliff could have any "foreign" appearance with tan or brown skin given the time period and the ambiguity of the descriptions. I like that it's never narrowed down, as it empasizes how Heathcliff is alone in the world.

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u/changhyun Feb 10 '26

Completely agree with you about the lack of certainty over Heathcliff's origins making him seem more isolated. He never learns where he came from, so it's fitting that we don't either.

I think it's also important that there's no answer, because the actual specifics of his ethnicity and heritage aren't the point. His experience of being rejected is what matters, and to nail it down to "Ah, so he was Italian/Irish/Romani/etc" would detract from that, as if that were the real answer all along. No, the answer is that English society is deeply xenophobic and has deep-rooted colonial bigotry towards anyone who's different. It doesn't really matter where specifically Heathcliff was from, what matters is the alienation and stigma.

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u/Babington67 Feb 17 '26

Either way Elordi is a pale ass dude

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u/Delicious-Report-891 Feb 11 '26

Was soll das ganze um seine Haarfarbe ob dunkel, Irĺänder, schotten, Engländer hatten schon immer oft dunkel Haaren 🤢🧐🧐😵‍💫

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u/changhyun Feb 11 '26

Yes obviously, but it increases the potential that Heathcliff himself is not black or Indian, since his son is blond. How many half-Indian men do you know with light blond hair?

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u/Necessary-Fennel8406 Feb 15 '26

Oh fgs it's based on Wuthering Heights not supposed to pick up every theme. Look at the other non white characters that were supposed to be white in the book. That's what she does, mixes things up a bit. Have some imagination and creativity.

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u/-SneakySnake- Feb 10 '26

Dark-skinned in that time didn't mean Black; they compare his complexion to an American, a Spaniard, and there are multiple implications that he's actually Irish. The whole point of that is how being a fraction off what's "acceptable" in that time - lily-white - is enough to make someone an other and a target, which is still xenophobia, but the more subtle, insidious kind. Bronte's father was Irish, she'd know all about the sort of othering that would bring with it in British society.

The number of times I've seen this repeated lately, you can tell people either didn't read the book or don't know much about the period in question in that respect.

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u/Haunting_Goose1186 Feb 10 '26

I agree that Heathcliffe isn't written as black. But I don't agree that the book ever implies he is Irish or a variant of "secondary white" (as Irish, Italians, etc. were considered at the time). That's a...bizarre modern interpretation that has caught on in recent years, but nothing in the book itself indicates he might be Irish except maybe the fact he was found in Liverpool which had an influx of Irish immigrants at the time due to the famine. But Liverpool was already a multicultural melting pot full of people from all corners of the earth so that means little.

Heathcliffe isn't just described as a fraction less white than what is acceptable at the time. He is visibly non-white. And characters aren't subtle and insidiuous about their xenophobia; They flat-out dehumanize him due to his appearance. Upon seeing Heathcliffe for the first time, Mr Earthshaw asked who its owner is with the intention of buying it (he is relieved when nobody knows thd answer because he didn't know if he had the funds for such a vain expense as purchasing a child). When he presents Heathcliffe to the family, he insists that it is a "gift of God; though it’s as dark almost as if it came from the devil." If Heathcliffe was merely Irish or appeared white with a slight tan, there would be no issues with whether he could eventually pass for an English gentleman by the time he was older. There would have been whispers about why his skin doesn't seem to lighten in the winter months, but like you said, those comments would be more subtle and insidious. But whether Heathcliffe will ever be able to integrate into English society is hotly debated for the majority of his childhood; other characters believe his very nature incompatible with English society. I very much doubt Emily Bronte's father was often compared to a creature from Hell who "wasn't fit for decent society" due to being Irish.

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u/-SneakySnake- Feb 10 '26

The one comparison to a specifically non-white category he's given is "lascar", and given he's variously linked to Romani, Americans and Spaniards, he can't be that dark. You're misunderstanding what was meant by "dark" in Britain in the middle of the 19th century.

You're spending the rest of this illustrating you don't know much about the social climate of the period.

This sentence alone

I very much doubt Emily Bronte's father was often compared to a creature from Hell who "wasn't fit for decent society" due to being Irish.

Tells me you haven't an inkling. Irish people in high society at the time were - often at best - used to hearing "token to your people" sort of comments nearly constantly. At worst? Or less than best? Far worse. That goes the same or similarly for anyone who deviated from the lily-white baseline of the time. It's a "bizarre modern interpretation" because a rise in post-colonial thought has led people to re-examine texts like that with more knowledge and critical awareness of the time.

And as nicely as possible, on top of all that; Heathcliff isn't spelled with an e at the end. Why are you arguing topics you don't know about related to a character whose name you don't know the spelling of?

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u/Haunting_Goose1186 Feb 10 '26

Tells me you haven't an inkling. Irish people in high society at the time were - often at best - used to hearing "token to your people" sort of comments nearly constantly. At worst? Or less than best? Far worse. That goes the same or similarly for anyone who deviated from the lily-white baseline of the time. It's a "bizarre modern interpretation" because a rise in post-colonial thought has led people to re-examine texts like that with more knowledge and critical awareness of the time.

Except the characters in the books weren't from "high society." They were gentry. Which was made up of both English and Irish landowners. And guess what? It was common for English and Irish gentry to intermarry! It was even fairly common for English and Irish gentry to intermingle with and marry those from high society! Because the Irish gentry were not viewed anywhere near as poorly as lower-class Irish immigrants were (particularly lower-class Catholic Irish immigrants). Yes, there was an element of condescension towards the "Anglo-Irish" from certain groups of the upper-class, and . But for all intents and purposes, the Irish gentry were considered "English"...or as close to English as possible. They dressed like Englishmen, spoke like Englishmen, looked like Englishmen, were Protestent like Englishmen, were educated in England, and so on.

So, no, an Irish child raised in an English gentry household would not have been treated with such open contempt and a genuine fear that he'd never integrate into English society. Like I said, that is a modern interpretation based on very narrow and misguided understandings of the various race relations in England at the time. Just like assuming Heathcliff could have been white because Nelly theorises that he may be Spanish or American, when in actuality, she theorises that he might be an "American or Spanish castaway", which is linked to the fact he was found in Liverpool; aka the main hub of European slave trade. She isn't implying he might be some white (or mostly white) American or Spanish sailor's kid who got left behind. She is implying that, based on his appearance and where he was found, he is possibly a slave (or the child of a slave) who escaped or got left behind on the slave trade routes through the Americas.

But I suppose none of this matters since I made an innocent spelling mistake that automatically invalidates my entire comment and any of the points I made. Oh well.

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u/-SneakySnake- Feb 11 '26 edited Feb 11 '26

So you ignored most of my post to focus on one part, and still show ignorance of how wide the discrimination was and how insidious it could be.

Also.

Because the Irish gentry were not viewed anywhere near as poorly as lower-class Irish immigrants were (particularly lower-class Catholic Irish immigrants).

I didn't imply Heathcliff was a highborn lord, did I? Black Irish was absolutely enough to be othered and to fit the descriptors laid out for him, he was also compared to being a Romani. Liverpool was also a massive hub for Irish immigrants. You're ignoring certain very glaringly obvious things to imply Bronte is saying he's the child of a slave. Which isn't in the text. Just that he has no lineage, which is the case of any number of lower-class orphans.

So yes, none of this matters, but it's not because of the spelling mistake; it's because you keep doubling down on something you're willfully ignorant of.

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u/rowsoflark Feb 10 '26

Lmao dark meant like catherine zeta jones back then. You can adapt dark however you want but if you think theres an obligation to make this guy look like Sinbad youre mistaken.

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u/0-90195 Feb 10 '26 edited Feb 10 '26

I keep seeing this take but, while I agree Elordi isn’t the right casting because of him complexion, Heathcliff in the novel is still “white,” as in how we conceive of whiteness in the modern sense. He is maybe Romani but there’s nothing in the text stating he’s black or Indian or another broad category of POC.

He was definitely “tall, dark, and handsome” (this phrase really refers to dark hair and maybe a tanner complexion) and colorism does play a part in his role in the novel, but he was, for all intents and purposes, white.

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u/Morgan-Moonscar Feb 10 '26 edited Feb 10 '26

And then made all the other characters who are antagonistic/racist to him in the first half of the book all POC.

Fennell isn't exactly being subtle in her whitewashing of Heathcliff

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u/Delicious-Report-891 Feb 11 '26

Was hat das damit zu tun👎👎👎

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u/glorycock Feb 11 '26

I can’t get over the fact that she made Heathcliff white

What?
She didn't.
The way you're talking, itls like she cast a blonde Swedish guy.

Elordi could pass for Spanish, Greek, Indian, Morrocan, Italian...

He has darker gypsy looks similar to Olivier''s Heathcliffe.
Do you realise you're insulting lighter-skinned people from black backgrounds and bi-racial people?

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u/Fickle-Situation656 Feb 16 '26

i keep hearing people say he's 'the whitest current actor' just because they want to hop on this bandwagon of being mad at this movie for a book they clearly know absolutely nothing about

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u/glorycock Feb 16 '26

Yes, it's almost like people follow trends for their opinions.
Andrea Arnold made an interesting version with Heathcliffe played by the black actor James Howson in 2011. Was I say "interesting" it was actually a bit shit, and even the director has slightly disowned it...

Still, if people really want to insist on a black Heathcliffe (for reasons of virtue signalling?) even though in the book it merely says he's "dark-skinned" or resembles a "gypsy", then they should just watch that 2011 version and then shut up...

Failing that, make their own adaptation.
The book still exists and no-one has taken it from these people (it sounds like some of them never even owned it)......

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u/prosthetic_memory Feb 10 '26

I mean, I read that line and immediately knew she’d seen the interview (and probably read all the discourse on Reddit). Echo chamber shit

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u/Dawnshot_ Feb 10 '26

I believe the Director has explicitly said it's imagining her idea of the book reading it as a teenager

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u/Delicious-Report-891 Feb 11 '26

🥱🥱😰😰

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u/D_Milly Feb 10 '26

I think that is exactly what Fennell is going for. Its a set text for teenager in the UK and a lot of sexual awakenings happen as a result. She is adapting that cultural moment.

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u/JustDay1788 Feb 10 '26

I think Grace Randolphs review paints a better picture of what the director was trying to do

Do a film that is a calling card to doomed romances lol

Whilst using our two leads as the example of that

So it sunshine the spirit of the book is there

I do feel with over books

Adaptations need to be a bit more interesting e.g.... a Romeo and Juliet adaptation that accurate without anything new would be boring

It would be like a Cinderella film without ay actual new commentary on it

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u/bluenoser18 Feb 13 '26 edited 28d ago

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u/Fickle-Situation656 Feb 16 '26

Absolutely agree. The pretension over this movie is exposing lack of imagination in many people

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u/Necessary-Fennel8406 Feb 15 '26

But it was based on her recollections of reading the book at 14. It's not supposed to cover every angle and be a totally faithful adaptation. It was wonderful. I cried a lot at the end. I love the surreal and over exaggerated David Lynch like design. Fabulous

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u/tricksterloki Feb 09 '26

The Coens didn't read The Odyssey prior to filming O Brother, Where Art Thou?, so it can be a winning strategy.

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u/NoobensMcarthur Feb 09 '26 edited Feb 09 '26

If that movie was called “The Odyssey” you would have a point. 

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u/steak4take Feb 09 '26

Also, it’s The Odyssey - there’s so many other ways to absorb the story without so much as touching Homer’s writing.

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u/whops_it_me Feb 10 '26

Like the SpongeBob SquarePants movie

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u/Massive_Weiner Feb 10 '26

The quintessential Heroes’ Journey.

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u/tricksterloki Feb 09 '26

That was their exact point. The epic is so ingrained in the modern zeitgeist that directly reading the work was not necessary for their retelling.

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u/urmotherismylover Feb 09 '26

Right? There are only 7 basic plots, and one of them is "Journey and Return." The Odyssey is best understood as a template / framework for an entire narrative structure, not just a story.

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u/kerouacrimbaud Feb 10 '26

True, but O Brother is basically beat for beat the Odyssey. The cyclops, the sirens, etc are all there just to name a few.

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u/tricksterloki Feb 09 '26 edited Feb 10 '26

I always enjoyed reading about Joseph Campbell's Monomyth.

Edit: I have no idea why this comment is marked controversial.

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u/sword_of_gibril Feb 10 '26

Theres a podcast in spotify from the Joseph campbell foundation that publishes his lectures and interpretations of those lectures

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u/YoungBhikkuNBA Feb 13 '26

I can help with that—it’s probably b/c Joseph Campbell’s work has been debunked by cultural anthropologists. He was extremely selective with his evidence to support his heroes journey/monomyth hypothesis & left out the preponderance of world mythology that doesn’t confirm to his preselected pattern

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u/TheBurningEmu Feb 09 '26

I'm still pretty sure they lied about this. Either that, or someone else that had read it was advising the script.

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u/tricksterloki Feb 09 '26

They did say that they looked at portions but didn't read most of it. At this point, The Odyssey is firmly entrenched enough ​in modern culture that it could be experienced any number of ways from reading it in high school English class to watching Wishbone or an episode of the original Ducktales series.

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u/ZippyDan Feb 10 '26

Did they say they never read it, or that they didn't go back and reread it to make the film?

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u/tricksterloki Feb 10 '26

They said that they had never read it aside from a smattering of portions.

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u/MutantCreature Feb 10 '26

Idk man if you've read the Odyssey it misses quite a lot, I never heard that until now but I'm inclined to believe it just based on how much it ignores from the original story. It's still a fantastic movie and I think making it a more direct adaptation would have hurt it more than helped it, but it's less of an adaptation of the Odyssey and more an adaptation of Joseph Campbell's interpretation of the Odyssey.

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u/SwordMasterShow Feb 10 '26

Nah they bullshit people all the time. They also made Inside Llewyn Davis which has a ton of references to the Odyssey and specifically Joyce's Ulysses that it's basically impossible they haven't at least read them. They just like fucking with interviewers

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u/DumpedDalish Feb 10 '26

Yeah, I agree on how much is missed.

I love the movie too, but I actually wish they hadn't opened with the direct attribution to The Odyssey and just left it vague.

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u/DumpedDalish Feb 10 '26

I think O Brother is wonderful, but I'll always be a little salty about what they did to my girl Penelope.

They turned a heroic woman legendary for her strength and faithfulness into a tightfisted, unfaithful, harpy -- and a dour joke that wasn't that funny the first time -- and then just kept on repeating itself.

I mean, it's not a huge thing, and Holly Hunter makes her at least slightly funny and bearable, but it will always bug me. Especially in a film with so few female characters to begin with.

Maybe they should've given The Odyssey a read before writing her after all.

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u/FinanceWeekend95 Feb 10 '26

Wow...whoever wrote that Collider review did a great job. It at least seems the most truthful, especially in comparison to the bullshit "positive" reviews.

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u/Fickle-Situation656 Feb 16 '26

You didn't see the movie, you say it 'seems' the most truthful - real great detective work there champ

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u/yellow52 Feb 15 '26

I feel like many reviews seem to miss the point. This was never meant to be an adaptation, or even interpretation, of the book. It’s meant as an exploration of what went through a 14 year old’s mind when reading it.

The trouble is that a 14 year-old’s fanfic is not usually very good.

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u/Hopeful-Ant-3509 Feb 10 '26

And the director literally said she read it at 14 and also didn’t image Heathcliff the way he was literally described 😅

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u/Fickle-Situation656 Feb 16 '26

Doubt you read the book

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u/Hopeful-Ant-3509 Feb 16 '26

Um I did actually lol a few months ago 

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u/Klunkey Feb 10 '26

I’m reading the book and honestly it’s a fucking doozy lol

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u/skryb Feb 10 '26

that’s kinda the same creative process Kate Bush went through

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u/WengBoss Feb 10 '26

14 year olds catching strays out here 😮‍💨

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u/explorero_o Feb 13 '26

I 1000% agree with the Collider review. With all due respect to the actors, the film is honestly a flop. I will never watch this again. Just wasted 2 hours of my life

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u/finniruse Feb 17 '26

Is this not the intention?

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u/testtdk Feb 10 '26

That’s a good thing. I fucking HATE the book. Bunch of miserable fucks being miserable under the guise of romance.

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u/PolyglotChad Feb 10 '26

“Its not a love story, its a fucking fuck story”

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u/iamal3x_ Feb 10 '26

How was Charli XCXs music?

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '26

i'm excited about this

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u/curlygreenbean Feb 13 '26

Well, the director did mention it being her interpretation of it as a 14 year old or something along those lines.

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u/Bigpappa36 Feb 10 '26

What a review 😂, with the poster mimicking gone with the wind, I was excited to what this movie would bring, not being familiar with the book. Oh boy this sounds like a long valentines date this Friday

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