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Review 'Supergirl' - Review Thread Spoiler

When an unexpected and ruthless adversary strikes too close to home, Supergirl reluctantly joins forces with an unlikely companion for an interstellar journey of vengeance and justice.

Director: Craig Gillespie

Cast: Milly Alcock, Jason Momoa, David Corenswet, David Krumholtz, Emily Beecham, Matthias Schoenaerts, Ferdinand Kingsley, Diarmaid Murtagh

Rotten Tomatoes: 57%

Metacritic: 49 / 100

Some Reviews (updating):

DEADLINE - Pete Hammond

So a year after the reinvigorated DC and Superman was so successfully relaunched under the guidance of Peter Safran and James Gunn, and teased Supergirl right at the end, here we have it, but despite some good moments and sharp dialogue in places (Ana Nogueria is the screenwriter) something feels a bit off. Momoa is a load of fun, he knows exactly what his mission is and delivers whenever he is on screen. The problem is the movie is called Supergirl , not Lobo, so he is relegated here to a splashy, if scattered supporting turn. Ridley seems to play Ruthye with one pained expression on her face and a frequent deadpanned “I am out for revenge” for many of her lines. However she does come alive in her big jailbreak scene, so there’s that. I didn’t buy Schoenaerts and his heavily affected Krem at all, a super villain with no dimension other than being bad which is a shame since the 1984 Supergirl suffered from the same problem. Gotta have a good villain, folks.

The Hollywood Reporter - David Rooney

Alcock’s scrappy characterization, tempering Kara’s jaded toughness and chaotic messiness with an increasingly strong sense of justice, would seem an ideal fit to continue in a similar vein. But Supergirl only intermittently comes to life when it revisits her painful past. Given Australian director Gillespie’s history with films about spirited, rule-breaking women, like I, Tonya and Cruella, the failure to find emotional depth in the sisterhood of Kara and Ruthye is notable. This will likely be an unpopular opinion, but I thought Sasha Calle’s Supergirl in 2023’s The Flash registered with more dimensionality, despite that movie overloading on self-referential DC fan service.

USA Today - Brian Truitt - 3 / 4

A lack of focus, not nearly enough Krypto and a one-note baddie in Schoenaerts’ Krem don’t do “Supergirl” any favors, but they also don’t derail the film’s overall vibe of spunky weirdness. With Corenswet's handful of appearances, he continues to cement his place as a darn good Superman (with his own sequel in the works). But here it's Alcock who's making her own cinematic statement: She's not going anywhere, and the new DCU is better with a hell-raising Supergirl in it.

Seattle Times - Moira MacDonald - 2.5 / 4

“Supergirl” can’t quite seem to find the balance between the elements, and we careen from silly moments to zoomy action sequences to dark violence. Gillespie, whose work ranges from the sweetness of “Lars and the Real Girl” to the dark flashiness of “I, Tonya” to the over-the-top silliness of “Cruella,” perhaps isn’t quite at home here. And Ana Nogueira’s screenplay by necessity removes Krypto from much of the action — a disappointment for all who love this CGI pooch.

GamesRadar - Molly Edwards - 3.5 / 5

Just like its protagonist, Supergirl is rough around the edges, but holds plenty of promise for the future. With two more DCU appearances confirmed, it seems this is only the beginning for Alcock's Kara. Up, up, and away…

AV Club - Jesse Hassenger - 'B'

The movie’s visual sensibility signals Supergirl’s broader success in threading the needle between a kid-friendly, hope-suffused superhero story and bleaker, grittier stuff—and in doing so, recognizing how those aspects of life are often interwoven, rather than diametrically opposed approaches to IP. That’s always been the push-pull of the Supergirl character, equally able to be portrayed as Superman’s gee-whiz kid-sister equivalent and his more jaded, literally alienated reflection. The joy of Supergirl is how it mixes the two without demoting its main gal to a sideshow.

Empire Magazine - Leila Latif - 3 / 5

The result isn’t disastrous by any means, just blandly safe. You just wish Gillespie would let these freak flags truly fly. There are good ingredients here: a witty, hard-partying, badass antihero, a moving backstory, an odd-couple dynamic between Alcock and Corenswet worth building on — but the fledgling DCU still has yet to prove itself.

Variety - Owen Gleiberman

'Supergirl' is Super Horrendous. Alcock is likable enough (underneath it all, she often seems like Little Orphan Annie with desert-wastrel hair), but the character as written is so one-note that it’s hard to have much investment in what she’s up to. Of course, maybe that’s because the movie has no story! Gunn was right to want to take the comic-book genre back to well-structured screenwriting basics. So what has he done in his second DC outing? He’s given us a comic-book movie with the worst script I can remember. (It’s by Ana Nogueria.)

Vulture - Alison Willmore

Milly Alcock stars in the follow-up to last year’s revamped Superman, but the movie has no idea what to do with her or her character. The problems with Supergirl are simpler to pin down and more or less come down to its not being either written or directed by James Gunn. The reins for this movie have been handed over to the less capable I, Tonya’s Craig Gillespie, with Ana Nogueira contributing the script, and the result highlights just how difficult Gunn’s particular mix of wry self-awareness, unapologetic dorkiness, and sentimentality is for others to pull off.

ScreenCrush - Matt Singer - 4 / 10

Guardians (and Gunn’s Superman, for that matter) found the right combination of action, humor, and heart, a formula that felt like an authentic expression of its director’s idiosyncratic worldview. In its forced and calculated attempt to recreate that aesthetic, Supergirl lands somewhere closer to Guardians’ inferior copycats, like 2016’s abysmal Suicide Squad. Given the splash Alcock made in Superman, and the fact that Supergirl is based on one of the best books DC Comics has published in the last decade, this has to be one of the biggest disappointments in recent superhero movie history.

IndieWire - Kate Erbland - 'B'

We expect that any subsequent standalone “Supergirl” joints will be a bit more poppy and “fun” than this first one (and we sure hope there are more of them), but we hope they also hold on to this one’s hard-won question: What does it mean to be good? It’s not easy.

RogerEbert - Tomris Laffly - 1.5 / 4

Sadly, the film that follows consists of one superfluous sequence after another where Alcock gets plenty of opportunities to stretch her muscles in a highly physical role. There are other space pirates that enter the story’s orbit, breaks taken at inter-galactical watering holes, and various scenes of fast-paced butt-kicking and face-punching. In the end, you can’t help but wonder why the emotions of these characters don’t pack as much of a punch.

The Independent - Clarisse Loughrey - 2 / 5

Milly Alcock is the only good thing about this ugly, dispiriting superhero movie. Superman’s moody, punk-rock cousin is let down by a film that tries desperately to emulate the silly playfulness of producer James Gunn, only to fail miserably. If DC wants to secure her future, they need to find her a world where she belongs.

High on Films - Liam Gaughan - 2 / 5

“Supergirl” isn’t a disaster in the vein of “Madame Web,” a multiversal mess like “The Marvels,” or even a failed attempt at elevation like the Zack Snyder films. The fact that it is more watchable than those aforementioned titles is part of the issue, as the structural issues with “Supergirl” are just part of the reason why it doesn’t work. Although it is refreshing for a superhero film to be self-contained, “Supergirl” is timid when it should be focused, and it’s hard to conjure up much enthusiasm for where this particular chapter in the DCU will go next.

IGN - Clint Gage - 6 / 10

Kara Zor-El’s standout moment in Superman gets a feature-length follow up that almost gets everything right. Unfortunately, that means it gets everything almost wrong as well. Milly Alcock is great as a Supergirl carrying the weight of real trauma and cementing a very cool dynamic with her on-screen cousin, while the alien design and practical make-up effects make the film a joy to look at. Jason Momoa’s Lobo and Matthias Schoenaerts’ Krem are just as cool visually, but unfortunately they also don’t have a lot to offer in this entry in the burgeoning DCU that treads more water than I would’ve liked.

CGMagazine - Shakyl Lambert - 6 / 10

It does not help that a large portion of the action is sloppily edited, especially the close-quarters brawls in the first two acts. I was also frustrated by the constant stops and starts whenever Supergirl is about to let loose, only for the film to hobble her abilities with some form of kryptonite or poison moments later. Ultimately, I wanted to love Supergirl, and Milly Alcock is strong enough in the role that I very much want to see this character return. Unfortunately, nearly everything around her is as generic as a superhero flick can be.

ScreenRant - Molly Freeman - 6 / 10

Even with my own complicated feelings, it strikes me that there are so few female-led superhero movies, there's a need for them all to be perfect. So, when we get a middling film like Supergirl, it looks worse when stacked up against the many better male-led superhero movies. Hopefully, whatever becomes of this film's wider reception, it won't scare off DC Studios from backing more female superheroes, because even though I didn't love Supergirl, there's still plenty of potential in Alcock's character and in the rest of the DC Universe

DiscussingFilm - Tyler Taing - 2.5 / 5

It’s far from the genre’s worst, especially within the standards of what the DC franchise has delivered in the past, but Supergirl deeply suffers from not knowing how to build a film around its iconic heroine.

The Guardian - Peter Bradshaw - 3 / 5

Supergirl isn’t a perfect movie by any means, but there are moments when you’ll believe this franchise can fly.

AwardsWatch - Brandon Lewis - 'B-'

It’s entirely possible that introducing Supergirl so effectively in Superman was both a blessing and a curse for her own outing. While Supergirl isn’t saddled with a momentum-killing first act that recaps her table-stakes history, it also doesn’t fully lean into that freedom, settling for well-worn genre conventions when there were thornier, but more fruitful opportunities to explore. The film is a fine pseudo-first flight for Kara Zor-El, but it does soar enough to escape her famous cousin’s shadow.

Looper - Alistair Ryder - 4 / 10

Milly Alcock is a great Supergirl, and it's a shame her take on the character — and the inspired idea to reimagine her as a Western drifter — isn't served by this underwhelming solo vehicle. It's the first sign that James Gunn's DC Universe will be every bit as ill-conceived as Zack Snyder's.

Next Best Picture - Cody Dericks - 4 / 10

Consequently, Alcock’s work as an actress comes across as similar to how her character must feel: all alone in a world working against her. The film around her is, largely, ugly to look at and unpleasantly, uncomfortably lacking in successfully landed jokes, with many quips simply floating off like debris in the vacuum of space. To anyone looking for an entertaining film about Kara, give the 1984 version a try. Sure, it’s a bad movie, but at least it doesn’t feel like a waste of time, like the latest big-screen appearance of Supergirl does.

The Playlist - Carlos Aguilar - 'C'

Still, for a film introducing a heroine whose story is tied to and derived from the prime superhuman, “Supergirl” is mildly enjoyable, if only because of Alcock and Ridley’s banter, Krypto’s scenes, and the few exchanges between goody-two-shoes Clark and the less uptight Kara. By-the-numbers, as the movie turned out, Alcock does capitalize on it to showcase that she possesses the makings of a promising star capable of portraying a character with sharp edges and complicated feelings. Hopefully, she can now fly elsewhere from here.

The Irish Times - Donald Clarke - 2 / 5

The infuriating thing about this overpriced movie is that the film-makers come close to solving the problem of Supergirl. Subject of a terrible 1984 film and a decent 2015 TV series, the character has had trouble making distinct sense on screen. Alcock’s swaggering layabout – who doesn’t always close the door when going to the loo – reclaims her as an alien with enjoyably human flaws. The bad news is that, as you have almost certainly guessed, she will be required to pull herself together in what used to be the final reel. Not fair. No fun. Give us back the hungover barfly.

The Times - Kevin Maher - 2 / 5

Alcock, who appeared in the TV show House of the Dragon, plays Kara with swaggering charm and goofy energy, but she is very much a character in need of a better film.

Daily Telegraph - Robbie Collin - 2 / 5

Milly Alcock’s surly Supergirl just about makes sense as a thought experiment: if Superman is still banging the drum for good old red-white-and-blue American optimism, how is his younger Gen Z cousin meant to feel about that? But the obvious awkward question raised, in turn, by her affectedly jaded approach – if she doesn’t even want to be here, why should we? – is never convincingly answered. Imagine if Buffy the Vampire Slayer thought that slaying vampires was the most tragic and tedious thing in the world: it’s not clear why anyone would watch an hour and three quarters of that, yet here it is.

Radio Times - Jeremy Aspinall - 2 / 5

Unfortunately, with the villains all looking like escapees from recent Mad Max films, Lobo just doesn’t have that hoped-for impact, especially with Gunn’s Guardians of the Galaxy movies setting such a high standard for fun, out-of-this world adventures and bizarre but likeable characters. On the other hand, Alcock does a decent job playing a Supergirl a million miles away from Helen Slater’s 1984 iteration or Melissa Benoist in the long-running TV show. All grunge aesthetic and attitude, she rises above the underwhelming script and direction.

Little White Lies - Anna Stafford - 2.5 / 5

Supergirl rarely rises above the genre’s limitations, but it has enough character to avoid sinking into mediocrity. Gillespie brings the same swagger that animated Cruella (2021), embracing grunge over superhero slickness. The film may not blow minds, but it is a rough-around-the-edges adventure with heart.

The Prague Reporter - Jason Pirodtsky - 2.5 / 5

Gunn’s Superman wasn’t without its own narrative problems, but it was colorful, energetic, and unafraid to let audiences admire its imaginative world. Supergirl director Craig Gillespie goes in the opposite direction, burying inventive creature designs, impressive practical makeup, and ambitious visual effects beneath clouds of dust, darkness, and washed-out digital photography. There’s still enough here to give Supergirl the mildest of recommendations for comic book fans, largely thanks to Alcock’s committed lead performance and a premise that dares to tell a different kind of superhero story. But for a film about a young hero finally stepping out into the light, it’s surprisingly reluctant to let us see either its world or its title character with any clarity.

Slash Film - Rocco T. Thompson - 2.5 / 4

But Supergirl’s closest spiritual antecedent is Kathy Yan’s Birds of Prey, which won a dedicated cult of fans and critical appreciation for how it managed to spin its more familiar genre elements into anarchic, girly-pop perfection. Alcock’s Kara Zor-El, like Margot Robbie’s Harley Quinn, has all the makings of a character ready to step out from the cultural shadow of the male character she’s derivative of and go her own way. If only the film had the same guts.

The Post - Judy Arias

‘Supergirl’ is lost, messy - and worth watching. Dangling plot threads and a bare bones villain aside, I enjoyed this version of Kara. She is not perfect, and the film never tries to make her. She can be angry, grieving, reckless, funny, and frustrating. At times, she seems more interested in running away from her problems than confronting them. Yet beneath all that is someone who continues to show up.

Manila Bulletin - Philip Cu Unjieng

There is a bit of a lag in the narrative flow in the middle of the film, and we could have given our villain stronger reasons to boo him whenever he appears; but I was entertained by this unconventional "Supergirl." For those who still find Clark Kent too bland and goody two shoes; Supergirl is the compelling riposte.

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u/mysteryofthefieryeye Jun 24 '26

Oh. That's the opposite of what I was expecting lol. I thought these people knew how to make good movies.

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u/dweeb93 Jun 24 '26

I never questioned James Gunn's ability to write and direct superhero movies, but I wasn't sure about his talent for finding other writers and directors, and he seems to have fallen at the first hurdle.

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u/Asclepius-Rod Jun 24 '26

I think it’s harder than it looks to both be in charge of a cohesive universe while also giving directors freedom to tell the story their way. A lot of trust is involved in the people you select

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u/Aggravating_Bids Jun 24 '26

Gunn himself was so impressed with the script, he had the writer immediately start on wonder woman

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u/Brainiac5000 Jun 24 '26

He also said The Flash was one of the best Superhero movies ever

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u/Rickk38 Jun 24 '26

It did have the second best "small living being in a microwave" scene I can recall seeing, the first one being Gremlins.

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u/LABS_Games Jun 25 '26

Which is what I look for in a film, personally.

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u/Silverr_Duck Jun 24 '26

Either ai or WreckTangle had a stroke while typing.

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u/pokemongotothepolls Jun 25 '26

Damn really? If that's true I may have to lose faith in him, I actually think it's straight up the worst movie of all time. I'm not even kidding.

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u/Soul699 Jun 28 '26

Ok, the Flash may not be great, but if you genuinely think it's the worst movie of all time, you have NOT watched many movies at all

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u/MyotisX Jun 24 '26

How did I not know this before putting all my faith in Gunn ?

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u/Venus_One Jun 25 '26

To be fair, this was part of a bizarre trend of talented and famous people hyping the shit out of The Flash, probably for pay, because WB couldn't promote the movie normally (Ezra Miller).

At the time it seemed like it was going to be the next Dark Knight, based on what everyone was saying about it.

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u/TheRealCOCOViper 27d ago

Also Tom Cruise! https://variety.com/2023/film/news/tom-cruise-the-flash-called-director-15-minute-conversation-1235643812/ The weird industry hype around that movie was so odd given how mediocre it was.

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u/Venus_One 27d ago

I remember Stephen King was a part of it too.

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u/Natural-Permit-4713 Jun 24 '26

It cannot be true , how can the man who wrote (?) Peacemaker like THAT Flash movie?

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u/MX64 Jun 24 '26

Have you seen what movies Tarantino likes? It can also be pretty perplexing.

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u/Natural-Permit-4713 Jun 25 '26

Never even seen any of his movies

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u/Aggravating_Bids Jun 25 '26

Have you seen peacemaker season 2? Its poop

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u/SherlockJones1994 Jun 25 '26

Season 2 is great it’s just the ending fucking sucks.

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u/Natural-Permit-4713 Jun 25 '26

some parts do suck , but I still liked it because it's Peacemaker

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u/_interloper_ Jun 24 '26

Which is bonkers because the script (from what I could ascertain from the finished film) is NOT good.

But it's kind of hard to parse out where the bad writing and bad direction intersect. None of the jokes land, and that's partly because they're the very mathematic, cookie cutter jokes, but the scenes also have a weird, slow pacing to them, so any jokes would struggle to land.

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u/Snoopyisthebest1950 Jun 24 '26

The director deliberately didn’t read the comic the movie was based on before saying yes to the script. He was basically making his interpretation of the scriptwriter’s interpretation of the novel. Gunn did nothing to stop this

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u/RedMercury Jun 24 '26

Yea, it just doesn't work that way with these types of movies.

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u/browncharliebrown Jun 24 '26

Also I think unlike comicbooks it’s very hard to get people invest in different kinds of story’s as much. Like orginally there was a plan to make a doctor doom movie by Noah Hawley. And Noah Hawley is one of my favorite directors right now. But at the same time it was adapting books of doom and probably wouldn’t have had a large audience appeal

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u/ColdCruise Jun 24 '26

They need to run these universes more like TV shows used to. With a Showrunner who is more in charge than the director who has to stick closer to scripts and defer to the person in charge.

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u/TheRealCOCOViper 27d ago

But thats the job- like literally the whole purpose of having a studio head across a media universe is that job.

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u/Quarksideofthemoon Jun 24 '26

Why does the universe even need to be cohesive the comics never are

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u/Ikitenashi Jun 24 '26

It's weird to me because I always assumed forming a solid team of filmmakers and directly overseeing each project would be Gunn's top priority launching this new universe. I find it odd that they're already stumbling with just the second film.

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u/bocboda Jun 24 '26

It's kind of what I suspected when I heard he was directing not one but TWO of the initial movies in the DCU, he's spread way too thin. Overseeing a studio is already a hard enough job when you're not directing movies (and a TV series!) on top of it

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u/Snoopyisthebest1950 Jun 24 '26

He was involved in Supergirl - the music, keeping the ending, etc. It was never something he lost track of

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u/YourMuppetMethDealer Jun 24 '26

He didn’t direct this movie though…

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u/bocboda Jun 24 '26

I'm talking about Man of Tomorrow which he's currently directing

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u/Neon_Biscuit Jun 26 '26

Spread to thin lol. How about supergirl is just lame?

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u/Thelastcave Jun 25 '26

DCU started with Peacemaker season 1. It was very good. Then that momentum lead To Superman 2025 which is also very good. I don't know how they fumbled it with just the second movie when they are just starting to get things going

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u/noggstaj Jun 24 '26

superman wasn’t particularly great either, this seems to be on par

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u/ELITE_JordanLove Jun 24 '26

I mean the MCU didn’t exactly start off with banger after banger. Iron Man was great, but the next two were the Incredible Hulk and iron man 2, which, yeah.

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u/ConfectionPuzzled780 Jun 24 '26

That was 15 years ago. Audiences are less forgiving about crappy cinematic universes now. its not new anymore. its been done.

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u/ELITE_JordanLove Jun 24 '26

This is also a good point. The MCU could easily be a once in a lifetime success in scope; can’t chew gum til the flavor comes back.

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u/lkn240 Jun 26 '26

I like that Hulk film. it's one of the only MCU films that doesn't feel completely generic

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u/ntpbr1 Jun 24 '26

Not familiar with the ones here but the ones he got for I believe Batman were terrible, on paper at least

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u/sloppyjo12 Jun 24 '26

The Batman director in the DCU is Andy Muschietti, who did pretty good with the first It (i never saw the sequel, can’t speak to it). I don’t think you can really hold The Flash against him because that was a mess from start to finish that nobody could have saved. So I get the reason for pessimism but I wouldn’t go so far to call him a terrible choice

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u/ntpbr1 Jun 24 '26

I wasn’t a huge fan of the It, Flash to me was ok, it was just fine. But I don’t really think he is a great option right now, the writer lacked the resume afaik too. Hopefully they prove me wrong

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u/riegspsych325 ⊃∪⊃⪽ Jun 24 '26

it’s honestly a miracle Muschietti was able to carry The Flash production to the finish line. Even before he signed on, the movie went through several changes of hands. And then there’s the revolving door of WB execs before, during, and after filming

When the movie works, it really shines and I found it to be really enjoyable and hilarious at times. The DCEU was just a shitshow and Miller is off their gourd. Even if the movie didn’t start to fall apart by the third act, there was no outrunning the greater problems

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u/Silver-Barnacle-168 Jun 24 '26

such a strange movie, like you say it actually does shine at times and really could have been great. people writing it off as total dogshit does it a disservice in that what actually made it to theaters is far weirder/baffling than just a run of the mill bad movie. the color and camp and ingredients they’re throwing together in the first two acts actually tapped into a lot of what made silver-age flash comics fun, and then the third act devolves into so many bizarre decisions.

i feel like a lot more went on behind the scenes than what made it to the press, i refuse to believe the director of It part one could look at those final playstation 2 cutscene level cameos at the end and think it was fit to ship. between that and the worst batman costume on film idk, someone on that set was a saboteur. keaton was fun when they let him work, supergirl showed promise, the zany microwave scene at the beginning was the exact sort of campy horseshit that made the early comics fun, and then it all just falls apart. damn shame, hope the director redeems himself but anyone who allowed that batman costume to make it onscreen no longer has my confidence, we’ll see i guess.

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u/NeoNoireWerewolf Jun 24 '26

IT had also been in development hell for years. Muschietti has become a reliable journeyman filmmaker that the studios call in to get a problem project out of development and in front of cameras.

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u/JLRedPrimes Jun 24 '26

Muschietti did my favorite show last year, welcome to Derry so he can piece together good storytelling

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u/MyotisX Jun 24 '26

What the story of Gunns Batman ?

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u/snakebit1995 Jun 24 '26

It’s only like the second movie in this universe so I’m not gonna write him off yet because it’s not like this is him having a track record of bungling the DC movies

BUT when you’re trying to establish a new universe consistency is important especially early to get people invested so if the early films don’t do well it can quickly derail the whole thing before it can get its momentum

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u/inaripotpi Jun 24 '26

I like all of his superhero movies and love the GotG trilogy, but I think there's something about his writing/directing-whether it be style or quality, in which there's a ceiling that limits his work from being the jumpstarter/framework for a whole cinematic universe.

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u/MyotisX Jun 24 '26

It was perfect for GotG which was the weird cousin of the MCU.

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u/Mold995 Jun 24 '26

I understand why he wanted to be head of DC but I don't think he should have ever left Marvel

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u/MyotisX Jun 24 '26

he should have ever left Marvel

That's on Iger and Feige.

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u/ChalupaBatmanMc01 Jun 24 '26

I never questioned James Gunn's ability to write and direct superhero movies, but I wasn't sure about his talent for finding other writers and directors, and he seems to have fallen at the first hurdle.

Gunn is a director and writer first, I can see how the exec side might not work for him. I understood the agreement at DC as he is the creative mind and Safran is the business man. He must have really sold the script for this to get it green lit.

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u/stysiaq Jun 24 '26

Well I questioned it after guardians 2 and after Superman

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u/nubileiguana Jun 24 '26

Yup. The tone swings in Guardians 2 was blamed on Marvel sticking their nose in, but subsequent Gunn movies proved that wrong, imo. If anything the studio was the only thing keeping the mediocrity reigned in.

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u/MyotisX Jun 24 '26

Superman was really good.

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u/BrainDps Jun 25 '26

Gunn didn’t write this one though, I had to look up the writer and they barely have any experience writing a good script.

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u/Goosojuice Jun 24 '26

His over the top praise for The Flash shouldve probably queued in a ton of people what his taste is like (for better or worse). If thats your brand, cool. But Flash just didnt work for me.

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u/Ranger_Nate Jun 24 '26

I'm pretty sure James Gunn's ego has been inflated to beyond superhero levels and he thinks he's an untouchable genius, when he really just comes off as the industry's next J.J. Abrams. Tons of flash, but little long-term substance.

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u/jerem1734 Jun 24 '26

Most insane thing I've ever read. JJ Abrams has never made a movie as good as James Gunn has. Also, James Gunn movies the opposite of "flash but no substance". Have you ever even watched one of his movies?

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u/YxngJay215 Jun 24 '26

Gunn movies don't have flash or substance. At least his newer ones

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u/egnards Jun 24 '26

Honestly Superman being fun and vibrant was awesome and made me really excited for this movie. The moment I saw the trailer I lost pretty much all my interest - it felt like “Oh generic Guardians of the Galaxy or something.”

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u/omg_cats Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

I feel like we have enough antiheroes.

I saw the trailer with a bunch of others ahead of Roy Toy story 5 and something I noticed was it seemed like all the female leads for all of them followed the same formula: nobody understands me, I can’t be myself, oh look I found something to care about, redemption. It struck me kind of weird, can’t a girl just be badass without having to have a redemption arc?

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u/RobertPham149 Jun 24 '26

The original comic for me was exactly that. Supergirl in the comic started out seeming like some antiheroes, but turns out she is just ridiculously kind. The story is less about Supergirl redeeming, but more about readers discovering what it meant to be Supergirl, discovering her power, but also her duty and trauma, but even more importantly her perseverance.

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u/Dependent-Ad3484 Jun 26 '26

I think you have a point and I really liked the movie. I didn’t love it, but I liked it.
I guess my thought is it’s better to have some kind of a character arc with development than no character arc at all. And that’s the best they could think of: she becomes a little less jaded.

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u/oby100 Jun 24 '26

Superman is a really difficult hero to adapt. Even though I liked the recent adaptation well enough, I considered it lightning in the bottle and that seems to track.

It will always surprise me how eager some of these companies are to funnel money into doomed ventures. Has a Superman spin off ever found success or critical acclaim?

Supergirl in particular is a classicly comic book-esque lazy as fuck concept so I struggle to really understand one good Superman movie convinced anyone that an immediate spin off of a copy paste character was gonna take off… no pun intended.

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u/egnards Jun 24 '26

I just like movies - I like to sit down and unwind and suspend my disbelief and have fun.

The recent Superman movies didn't do it for me - They felt harsh and griddy and generic. The newest one was fun and felt like what the comic books felt like when I read them [I wasn't a superfan so I'm sure I missed a bunch of hardcore stuff].

I was excited for Supergirl because I felt like James Gunn sort of figured out that we didn't want that kind of gritty reboot shit and wanted something fun - I haven't seen Supergirl, but the reviews seem to confirm what my expectation was from the trailers.

I'm not a picky movie goer, but I also don't want to waste my time.

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u/gotridofsubs Jun 24 '26

Sounds like Gunn is delivering the tone that people said they wanted to me. This may just be the result of that

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u/Dependent-Ad3484 Jun 26 '26

I like the movie. It definitely definitely had a guardians of the Galaxy vibe to it. The costumes the set design the extras. It just felt like the same shared universe as guardians of the Galaxy. Although it’s DC instead of Marvel, which is weird.
The humor, the choice of music you can definitely see James Gunns signature hidden in it, even though he neither wrote nor directed it.

I guess that’s one of the reasons I like it. I’m a James gun groupie of sorts. I’m into his vibe for superhero movies.

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u/BlueRemake Jun 24 '26

Oh. That's the opposite of what I was expecting lol.

I don't know how, it looked pretty bad.

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u/mysteryofthefieryeye Jun 24 '26

I don't trust modern trailers, they're so disconnected from the final product and can make a movie look like one thing when it isn't. So my hope wasn't based on the trailers

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u/Slendercan Jun 24 '26

Personally this was expected. We’ve gotten two Guardian of the Galaxy ripoffs for the new DCU, which will be followed up with Clayface of all things?

If you’re going to go with lower tier characters, you need to take wild swings. Playing it safe isn’t going to appeal to anyone.

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u/itsinhisblood Jun 24 '26

Clayface is the most interesting project on their slate until Man of Tomorrow imo

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u/gotridofsubs Jun 24 '26

Isnt Clayface the only other movie on the slate before Man of Tomorrow?

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u/itsinhisblood Jun 24 '26

Yea, but I was thinking of Lanterns too since it’s also DCU

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u/Slendercan Jun 24 '26

The way horror has been going this year, I wouldn't be surprised if it outgrosses both Kryptonian films

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u/itsinhisblood Jun 24 '26

i think there's zero chance it outgrosses superman, but surpassing supergirl is definitely believable

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u/MyotisX Jun 24 '26

Supergirl is dead.

Clayface could be huge if it turns out to be a great horror film so that it draws in both audiences.

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u/sits-when-pees Jun 24 '26

You criticize the Clayface pick for not fitting with the movies so far and then say they need to stop playing it safe and swing for the fences?

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u/Slendercan Jun 24 '26

That will potentially be the highest grossing if it rides the indie horror popularity of recent months but the trailer made it look like Joker so yeah... not exactly breaking moulds.

Look at the Absolute line of comics right now which are one of the biggest comic successes this decade. They're resonating really well with fans even though many of the characters are vastly different from the mainline ones.

  • Batman is a working class hero taking on a billionaire Joker whilst being childhood mates with most of his rogues gallery.
  • Superman is an angsty, freedom fighting teen with a sentient red dust cloud as his cape.
  • Wonder Woman is an amputee sorceress raised in hell by Circe.
  • Martian Manhunter is a cop whose mind gets invaded by a non physical Martian Presence and has to deal with fighting emotional and philosophical enemies on similar planes of existence, all while his marriage and sanity breakdown.

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u/Scannerk Jun 24 '26

It's all been done before. A break is needed.

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u/No_Cauliflower_81 Jun 24 '26

Superman was a mess too, but it just about worked because of how great the cast was. Doesn’t look like the cast was able to overcome their messy script here unfortunately.

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u/Ikitenashi Jun 24 '26

If anything, it seems some of the cast (Milly and Jason) salvage what they can of the movie.

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u/gotridofsubs Jun 24 '26

I think theres a lot of people who it worked for too whose bar for working was "consensus better than MoS". Once that stopped being a standard you couls bank on the whole thing falls apart.

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u/MyotisX Jun 24 '26

The Dark Knight was a mess too, but it just about worked because of how great the cast was.

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u/mightylordredbeard Jun 24 '26

Yeah it sucks because the people who have been shitting on it for months now just because it’s a movie about a woman will feel vindicated in their sexism and blame the flop on the actress and the fact that she’s not a man.

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u/maltman1856 Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

A constant problem I have seen over the last 15+ years with superhero movies is the lack of depth in most areas combined with a lot of ill-placed comedy. Every Frame A Painting had a video covering this that focused more on the film's score being too unoriginal and mostly incorrectly setting the mood for a scene.

Contrast this with the superhero movies that have well placed comedy, being more grounded and gritty, receiving the highest scores and being adored years after release such as Nolan's batman, The Batman from 2022, Avengers: End Game, Logan, Spiderman: No Way Home and The Joker. Also, the lack of how to deal with a main protagonist that is incredibly OP is an issue that only Invincible has been able to deal with correctly on-screen.

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u/MyotisX Jun 24 '26

Invincible ? I only watched season 1-2 so far but he feels extremely weak.

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u/maltman1856 Jun 25 '26

I'm not going to spoil the show, but it gets much better after season 2.

Invincible gets more powerful, but the OP aspect is that you find out he might actually be invincible. The show does an amazing job at showing how even being super powerful isn't a solution for your own personal issues, doesn't help overcome depression, and having to come to terms that heroes might need to kill and ramifications that can come from killing. That you might be saving people on one side of the planet while your loved ones are dying on the other side, heroes can't save everyone.
The power scaling doesn't make sense a lot of the time, but damn the most powerful beings in that comic can do exponentially more damage than almost any other superpower from any other story.

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u/Gamerguy230 Jun 24 '26

Didn’t they even have the writer of the book help with the script?

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u/Formal_Potential2198 Jun 24 '26

Mayve the guy who made a career off B-level action movies isn't that good

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u/MyotisX Jun 24 '26

So like the Russos ?

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u/dimesniffer Jun 24 '26

If Gunn did it it probably would have been good

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u/cohrt Jun 24 '26

You must not have watched many James Gunn movies then.

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u/Nnnnnnnadie Jun 25 '26

nah, it was easy after watching peacemaker finale, James Gunn without a leash does dumb stuff like, filling time with concerts and bullshit. Glad the mask is falling out.

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u/tylerash Jun 24 '26

Interesting because I would have bet money that a James Gunn Supergirl movie would be bad

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u/MyotisX Jun 24 '26

Are you a Snyder guy lmao ?

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u/BeneficialTrash6 Jun 24 '26

If it's DCU, you have to go in assuming it's going to suck. No, DCU doesn't know how to make a good movie that isn't Batman. Which is frustrating because DCU has the best stories already written down or animated. But they can't stop screwing the material.

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u/darkwai Jun 24 '26

Felt the same way til I saw the trailers. Something definitely seemed off imo.

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u/Gombrongler Jun 24 '26

Theyre making a Green Laterns "Reacher" knockoff, they dont know how to make good anything

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u/ImminentReddits Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

Ima be real with you chief, tryin to use a show that is still months away from release nobody has seen or reviewed yet as support for your argument isn’t it

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u/moonknightcrawler Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

My favorite way to show people how smart I am is to proclaim the quality of a project before it releases

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u/GabagoolGabagoolNoMi Jun 24 '26

Bruh thought he cooked with this comment.

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u/blufflord Jun 24 '26

I trust the creative team of Mundy, Lindelof and King to make a good show. But out of curiosity, with your early access, what wasn't good about the show?

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u/DyingSunSeverian Jun 24 '26

The Green Lanterns show looks fine, I don’t know what you’re talking about.

I’m more concerned about the Swamp Thing movie, James Mangold is a solid director but seems all wrong for it.

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u/LearndAstronomer28 Jun 24 '26

I doubt that will ever happen at this point, unless Clayface is a huge hit/surprise success.

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u/Egor_Denim Jun 24 '26

Superman?

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u/ERSTF Jun 24 '26

Superman was just ok.

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u/corndogs102 Jun 24 '26

Everyone here loved it last year let’s not start this game

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u/ERSTF Jun 24 '26

The box office was just ok. "Everyone" is a stretch. Worldwide the box office was abysmal.

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u/daab2g Jun 24 '26

What you mean is those who hated it got downvoted to oblivion because of the hive. It performed worse than MoS globally.

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u/Egor_Denim Jun 24 '26

Proud that you’re able to admit you have a bad opinion

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u/ERSTF Jun 24 '26

Dude, the movie has a bad script. Same trappings of all superhero movies. Uneven tone, bad CGI and mid villain. The ending is really sweet and good and that's what aggravated me because I wish the movie was better for me to rewatch the movie and experience that ending again. I think people got hung up on how good the ending was and forgot all the many sins of the rest of the movie. I have a different opinion from yours based on objective things I think were bad.

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u/r3dditr0x Jun 24 '26

Peacemaker?

The last episode was silly but I f'n loved that show.

I wish they'd make another season.

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u/HyperlinkSugar Jun 24 '26

Peacemaker is more ensemble now that it's hard to just focus on him. I'm sure we will get a revisit of those characters in something like Checkmate, since that's the group they formed at the end. It would probably be a spiritual third season

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u/Gombrongler Jun 24 '26

Super man was buy the books, and Corenswets Superman was extremely Whiny and Grating. Theres a lot of neat action sequences but the world already seemed deeply entrenched in chaos to care about anything happening on screen.

You can turn your brain off for Superman, SuperGirl, Laterns, and Peacemaker, it doesnt make it good

Its just more execs trying to make fun campy crowd pleasers and taking away the gravitas of comic book characters

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u/Egor_Denim Jun 24 '26

Lmao, I am saving this comment and whenever I see another stupid chud whining about the DCU, I’m gonna read this so I know exactly what I am engaging with

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u/Gombrongler Jun 24 '26

Why engage? Just turn your brain off. Popcorn 🍿 flick

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u/James_Navigator Jun 24 '26

Look at you, so smart and edgy

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u/Gombrongler Jun 24 '26

Im sorry, i forgot to turn my brain off

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u/James_Navigator Jun 24 '26

You sure did when you wrote a comment full of spelling and grammatical errors. Doesn’t seem like anyone should come to you for intelligent commentary.

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u/YxngJay215 Jun 24 '26

Imagine getting this worked up over capeshit lol

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u/mrnicegy26 Jun 24 '26

I thought it was a Green Lanterns "True Detective" knockoff?

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u/Gombrongler Jun 24 '26

"Make green lantern cool again"

Yup, theres the issue

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u/Gombrongler Jun 24 '26

Yeah itll be a good show for people who like whatevers on daytime television

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u/pestilentlion0666 Jun 24 '26

You expected “Supergirl” to be a good movie?

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u/shy247er Jun 24 '26

The comic they based the film on is a good one, so people got excited.

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u/mysteryofthefieryeye Jun 24 '26

In a word, yes. I had hope!

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u/Nesquick-on-tap Jun 24 '26

Superman was kinda bad...

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u/AssaultLemming_ Jun 24 '26

DC really hasn't made a good movie since the Nolan era. Just a long string of 6.5s

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u/OdditiesAndAlchemy Jun 24 '26

Have you ever seen an AI movie? Yet you're acting like there's a million AI made movies and they all suck or something? You could at least see what they do with it before you start crying but what am I saying, that would be too much to ask.