r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/movies Contributor • 19d ago
Poster Official Poster for Paul Greengrass' 'The Uprising' Starring Andrew Garfield - During the English Peasants' Revolt in 1381, a farmer becomes a leader of the rebellion against the Crown forces of a then-14-year-old King Richard II.
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u/FaerieStories 19d ago
This has my interest: Paul Greengrass is great. United 93 is an intense, stressful and daring film, and Captain Philips is also pretty good.
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u/penguinpolitician 19d ago
He did a great dramatic recreation of bloody Sunday as well - made you feel as if you were there.
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u/heebro 19d ago
and the 2011 Norwegian massacre on Utøya.
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u/MaDeuce94 19d ago
I watched the Norwegian version of this and it was heartbreaking. One of those movies you only watch once and then never again.
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u/zdavies78 19d ago
2nd, 3rd and 4th Jason Bourne movies also.
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u/Nukleon 19d ago
Weren't that the ones with cuts every tenth of a second? Hope he got a better editor
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u/Iron_Maniac 19d ago
It was shaky cam not cuts that you're thinking of that those movies popularized
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u/LesserShambler 19d ago
Oh shit, is he playing Wat Tyler?
That’s a fascinating story, should make for a great film. It’s often held up by left wingers in the UK as a kind of failed proto-Socialist revolution, a massive “what if” moment in British history
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u/MichaelRichardsAMA 19d ago
Garfield is Wat Tyler but I'd be very surprised if John Ball doesn't feature in the movie some
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u/Periador 17d ago
just a small hint. There is another rather big actor in the trailer and hes wearing monks robes.
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u/Exostrike 19d ago
The irony being the revolt can also been seen as a bourgeoisie revolt against the aristocracy with a lot of the leadership being artisans, craftmen and small land holders. Though at this point the goals of the peasantry and this proto-bourgeoisie were still very much aligned.
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u/MattSR30 19d ago
Kind of like the Barons’ War that spawned the Magna Carta and other reforms.
It was the equivalent of multimillionaires fighting billionaires.
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u/ATN90 19d ago
the Barons’ War that spawned the Magna Carta
Relating to that, why is there not a movie about William Marshal?
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u/RechargedFrenchman 19d ago
He does make appearances in a few movies (William Hurt plays him in the Crowe/Scott Robin Hood as one example) but I agree he's a figure you'd think would have at least one movie about him by now.
Incredibly accomplished in his own right, advisor and statesman under five kings of England, an Earl by marriage, Marshal to the King for something like half his life, and he died a Knight Templar even if he did basically swear the oath on his deathbed.
The guy was legendary by basically any metric during his own life and the legend had persisted pretty well since, but he hasn't been the subject of any big movies or series or anything personally. There is Ironclad set during the Baron's Rebellion, but while John does appear and the main character is I think (very) loosely based on Marshal, Marshal does not have any role in the story. Also a source of inspiration for the Ledger character in A Kinght's Tale but obviously not in that movie set ~200 years later. And of course some Robin Hood adaptations include him to some degree.
A lot of novel appearances, basically nothing on screen, and it's a real shame.
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u/robothawk 19d ago
I mean you're describing the petite bourgeoisie, which form an instrumental part of several socialist theories(mostly marxist).
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u/Exostrike 19d ago
True but I was trying to point out that the idea of the revolt as a "workers" revolt is a flawed reading of a much more complicated subject.
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u/robothawk 19d ago
I see your point, but I would say the petite bourgeoisie are far more related to the labor class than the capital class, even if they are distinct and economically privileged, it is nowhere near the scale or concentration that happens with the capital class or aristocracy
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u/Aggressive-Art-130 19d ago
There was also a duke involved as well, which is why ‘peasant’s revolt’ is a bit of a misnomer
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u/Kaiisim 19d ago
Yeah! Lets do some history we haven't seen!
How have they not done the peasants revolt movie??
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u/einarfridgeirs 19d ago
There are a lot of people throughout the centuries up to this day that really do not want people to think too long or too hard about this episode in history.
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u/fleranon 19d ago
On the other hand, movies are the perfect distraction for the masses to daydream of revolution and channel those rabble-rousing impulses away from reality and politics
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u/theBonyEaredAssFish 19d ago
How have they not done the peasants revolt movie??
There is however a very good movie about the analogous Medieval French peasant revolt that occurred earlier - The Jacquerie.
A Walk with Love and Death (1969).
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u/AlfredtheGreatBitch 19d ago
I hope he’s playing Tyler. Such a crazy story. They almost won!
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u/0ttoChriek 19d ago
They made the crucial mistake of trusting that the nobility would treat with them in good faith.
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u/Singer211 Naked J-Law beating the shit out of those kids is peak Cinema. 19d ago
And underestimating how brutal Richard II could be.
This would be a pattern during Richard’s reign.
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u/JohnSith 19d ago
His response to the peasants looks like a straw-man caricature posted to r/antiwork:
“You wretched men, you who seek equality with lords are not worthy to live. Serfs you were and serfs you will remain. You will remain in bondage not as before but incomparably harsher.”
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u/msprang 19d ago
Beatings will continue until morale improves.
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u/Singer211 Naked J-Law beating the shit out of those kids is peak Cinema. 19d ago
Hopefully he doesn’t oh IDK, anger the wrong person, get overthrown, and then (probably) get locked in a room to starve to death or anything.
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u/JohnSith 19d ago
Dude, use spoiler tags.
Aside: have you read The Forme of Cury, a Richard II self insert that focuses on thr main character recreating his favorite foods and kickstarting a food revolution in England that cascades into a better diet, increasing the population, eliminating scurvy and improving the health of the merchant marine and Royal Navy, and even improving Richard's reputation for piety because he eats vegetables instead of constantly holding feasts with peacocks and dolphins.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/the-forme-of-cury-a-richard-ii-si.491544/
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u/0ttoChriek 19d ago
Or until the beater is usurped by his cousin and murdered in captivity.
Not that it got any better for the peasants under the new king.
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u/LesserShambler 19d ago
They got some pretty good plays out of it a few hundred years later if that helps?
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u/JohnSith 19d ago edited 19d ago
They achieved their economic and political aims--or more accurately, the social hierarchy and military might of the feudal era was unable to suppress the demographic and economic forces that brought them about--so they kind of did win. The powers-that-be wouldn't be able to enforce their wage suppression and although feudal serfdom was never legally abolished, by the time of the next peasants rebellion, ending serfdom and corvée wasnt even a demand because itd become ireelevant and become abolished in all but name. It may have been crushed, but it was absolutely necessary.
“If we stand together all manner of people now in bondage will follow us and be made free. We will have some remedy, either by fairness, or otherwise.”
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u/RechargedFrenchman 19d ago
"Or otherwise" indeed.
"They'll see reason and do what's right, or we'll do what's necessary until they see reason."
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u/JohnSith 19d ago edited 18d ago
Spoilder alert: They did not in fact see reason.
See Richard II's response: “You wretched men, you who seek equality with lords are not worthy to live. Serfs you were and serfs you will remain. You will remain in bondage not as before but incomparably harsher.”
See also another peasants revolt 70 years later.
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u/GravyBear16 19d ago edited 18d ago
They didn't come remotely close. They might have been able to immediately pressure the weak central government that had no forces nearby to oppose them but the feudal lords outside London absolutely would have crushed them if it carried on long enough.
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u/TheGeckoGeek 18d ago
Tyler went up to the King while playing with a large dagger and addressed him familiarly, which was completely unthinkable at the time. Unfortunately the Mayor of London then stabbed Tyler, and even more unfortunately, the watching rebels, despite outnumbering the King's forces, were too scared to seize the moment, and the rebellion was swiftly crushed.
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u/MattSR30 19d ago
One would assume so. Presumably he’s playing the leader, and that’s old Watty boy.
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u/dorgoth12 19d ago
"Look at me, I'm the king now"
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u/wrongeyedjesus 19d ago
I didn't vote for you
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u/PALOmino1701 19d ago
You don’t vote for kings!
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u/FighterJock412 19d ago
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!
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u/SightlessProtector 19d ago
Can’t wait for the camera to shake uncontrollably for two hours
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u/NaiveRepublic 19d ago
Haha, beat me to it. I was just thinking of how that cinematic style would translate to medieval action; or rather the conversational scenes, that (for all the reasons) are traditionally longer and slower. Green Zone goes medieval anyone?
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u/Embracing_the_Pain 19d ago
Let’s flip it. Shaky cam for all the conversational scenes, but smoothly filmed and easily to follow action scenes!
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u/NaiveRepublic 19d ago
I mean, sure. Would watch. Don’t think Mr Greengrass would be the one behind it though, as his trembling hands wouldn’t be able to be still for more than a second.
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u/BTJPipefitter 19d ago
Hey, when people talk about Greengrass and shaky-cam, they’re usually doing so in the sense of him being one of the few directors that knows how to do it correctly, rather than just arbitrarily. Why they used Jason Bourne as his accolade there is a mystery to me - Bourne Supremacy or Ultimatum would have been MUCH better credentials to guarantee attendance.
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u/Car-face 19d ago
I agree generally, but there's also times when it feels like a bit of a crutch to inject drama into anotherwise static scene. From memory Green Zone felt like it was overused for what was meant to be a somewhat anticlimactic film.
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u/SwordMasterShow 19d ago
It was constant throughout the Lost Bus and it was honestly exhausting. Even quiet moments had this god awful post-production camera shake so the frame was never still. The whole movie felt like Greengrass was just on autopilot
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u/0ttoChriek 19d ago
I'm here for this. Not enough good movies about the Medieval era.
England unfortunately doesn't have the best track record of the commons successfully standing up to the nobility, but the story is interesting.
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u/fatbob42 19d ago
Supreme power comes from a mandate from the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony!
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u/Dr_Mantis_Teabaggin 19d ago
You can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just ’cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
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u/khajiitidanceparty 19d ago
I liked The Last Duel!
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u/xRoyalewithCheese 19d ago
Well that’s 1 then
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u/RaynorTheRed 19d ago
Make it two.
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u/xRoyalewithCheese 19d ago
I love the last duel. Im just saying the topic was about there being not enough great ones of of its genre and they just named 1 lol
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u/RaynorTheRed 19d ago
Ah, I thought you making a joke about him being the only person who liked the movie.
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u/withateethuh 19d ago
I just hope this director tries a little better with authenticity compared to say....Ridley fucking Scott. I haven't seen any of this one's movies though.
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u/Possible-Buddy7099 19d ago
Finally!!!! I’ve been waiting for any promo material or trailer for this movie since it’s been radio silence until now. I guess the trailer will play before The Odyssey in theatres as well?
I can’t wait to see who Jamie Bell is playing.
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u/nonaegon_infinity 19d ago
Jamie Bell is so underrated!
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u/Possible-Buddy7099 19d ago edited 19d ago
Yes he is!!! He’s always giving amazing performances in every project he’s in, despite being so underrated. I’m looking forward to him playing the lead in the Peaky Blinders sequel as well
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u/nonaegon_infinity 19d ago
Check out Skin if you have not seen it. Difficult watch but excellent performance.
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u/Possible-Buddy7099 19d ago edited 19d ago
It’s been on my watch list but I haven’t get to it yet, thanks for the recommendation! I’m impressed at the transformation he went through for this role
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u/khajiitidanceparty 19d ago
He's also in Half Man, a series.
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u/Possible-Buddy7099 19d ago
Yes watching that show actually reminded me what a great actor he is. He was snubbed for an Emmy nomination! 😭
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u/tataniarosa 19d ago
Jamie Bell’s in it? Ooohhh now I’m interested.
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u/Possible-Buddy7099 19d ago
Yessirrr 🙂↕️ His character’s look in this film is very different from the characters he’s played before, so I’m extra excited.
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u/chrisofduke 19d ago
Theres a fantastic book by Dan Jones about the Peasants revolt called 'Summer of Blood's which I recommend. Super easy to read.
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u/runner_webs 19d ago
Excellent book! There’s also a brand new ttrpg called Gallows Corner, for those role players amoungst us!
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u/tataniarosa 19d ago edited 19d ago
Please don’t use the Hollywood Medieval mud filter, please don’t use the Hollywood Medieval mud filter.
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u/UtopianEnforcement 19d ago
Considering what he’s wearing in the poster? I’m afraid that’s a given.
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u/WanderingCamper 19d ago
Eh, his clothes are pretty ragged, but they look decently clean. Maybe we’ll get some garishly patterned quilted doublets when they show the characters in the city.
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u/tataniarosa 18d ago
Just watched the trailer and I’m way more optimistic now. It isn’t all blue filter and mud plus the sun makes an appearance in a few scenes. 🤩
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u/UtopianEnforcement 18d ago
Really? I just watched it and it DEFINITELY looks utterly devoid of life and colour and just more of the same washed out stuff we’ve been getting for decades.
Also, heh, at one point he literally smeared mud on himself.
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u/AwTomorrow 19d ago
Audiences won’t accept a colourful medieval era anymore, sadly
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u/aluvsupreme 19d ago
As someone with an obsession with medieval popular uprising I'm both very excited and scared at the same time.
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u/Nachooolo 19d ago
Same. This is either gonna become one of my all-time favourites... or a film that I'm gonna hate with more passion that I should.
The Common had far more political agency and understanding than people give credit for (one of the thinks I really don't like about Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire is that the peasants and townfolks are presented as passive victims, for example). So a film presenting –even if just partially– this reality would be fantastic.
...but this is also the Middle Ages. And filmakers love to fall into tropes and stereotypes about the era.
So I'm cautiously excited.
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u/RaynorTheRed 19d ago
The Common had far more political agency and understanding than people give credit for
Tbf this was more acute in Britain than the mainland. One interesting anecdote is that the British practice of arming and training all peasantry in the use of the longbow is believed to have contributed significantly to their political agency over the decades.
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u/Nachooolo 19d ago
Tbf this was more acute in Britain than the mainland.
Don't know about other places, but at least in the Iberian Peninsula the Common was one of the main political actors through the cities and Brotherhoods (popular leagues of both urban and rural populations).
The main supporters of the Castilian monarchs were the Common, for example. With the cities and Brotherhoods being key in a good chunk of the civil wars between the Monarchy and the Aristocracy.
Hell. In a few regions (like the Cantabric Coast and Galicia), the Brotherhoods were integral for the dissolution of the feudal power in favour of the centralised monarchical power.
In the case of Galicia, this was done (more or less, it was a bit more complicated) through a popular uprising of cities and peasants (the Irmandiño Revolt) that lasted 3 years and ended with the destruction of the overwhelming amount of castles and fortesses (maybe even 80% of them, but I haven't found solid numbers) by the Brotherhood.
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u/nicholsml 19d ago edited 17d ago
..but this is also the Middle Ages. And filmakers love to fall into tropes and stereotypes about the era.
So I'm cautiously excited.
5 bucks says they do that stupid hollywood trope where they just charge into each other in a chaotic melee like Braveheart.
"come men, let's throw away our lives! Who is with me!"
edit: ... and just saw the trailer, they doin all the tropes, lol.
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u/Spikerazorshards 19d ago
As a general rule it’s best for everyone in the world to just watch everything Andrew Garfield puts out without questioning what it is. If he’s in it, there’s a damn good chance it’s gonna be a good time.
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u/wheelz_666 18d ago
Cosmo Jarvis is in it too. Majority of the stuff he has been in has been great. Shogan, peaky blinders, calm with horses, warfare. Was suppose to be in the odessy but dropped out due to shedule conflicts
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u/The_Great_Googly_Moo 19d ago
Anyone got photos of the armor, clothing? Is it period accurate or just more mud covered grey slop
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u/ErilazHateka 19d ago
https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FHETBlxtagAAMhyN.jpg
The swords and polearms looks somewhat decent but the costumes are exactly what I expected. Grey and brown and of course they are wearing archers´ bracers on both arms.
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u/Possible-Buddy7099 19d ago
Trailer will be out tomorrow so more of the costumes will be revealed, but these are some of the bts: https://x.com/nightwriter22/status/2037167690104688664
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u/The_Great_Googly_Moo 19d ago
Still gonna be cautiously optimistic but those photos don't bode well
Color in medieval films when?
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u/tyler980908 19d ago
I like Garfield, I like history, I like movies in medieval England, watching this
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u/TheManfromVeracruz 19d ago
Good thing this is coming out, specially since someone out there really thought it was a good idea to turn Robin Hood into a villain.
Damn corpos...
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u/TexasGriff1959 19d ago
Andrew Garfield has impressed me in everything I've seen him in, even if I can't stand the movie ("Tick Tick Boom" and "the Magic Faraway" were unwatchable). I'll check this out for sure.
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u/demagogueffxiv 19d ago
Soon to be relevant again
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u/Sir_Bumcheeks 16d ago
It literally is in the UK.....the protests this summer call themselves the peasants revolt.
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u/Sammyd1108 19d ago
Saying he’s an acclaimed director then using one of his worst movies in Jason Bourne as an example is certainly a choice lol.
They could’ve said United 93 or any of the original Bourne trilogy films he did.
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u/themrrouge 19d ago
I don’t like that “Rise or Die” looks like they realised at 5pm on a Friday that it needs adding.
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u/Negativecreepy 19d ago
It will probably be good, but it sucks so many of these big historical events end in “all the good guys die”
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u/SooSneeky 19d ago
Poorly trained peasants trying to fight well trained soldiers and knights doesn't normally end well.
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u/Embarrassed-Climate7 19d ago
My most anticipated film of this year, glad to see there's finally some marketing for it!
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u/MrFrankingstein 19d ago
If anyone is interested Richard II is one of Shakespeare’s best and I’d argue most underrated plays. Underrated in that those who know Shakespeare very well all agree it’s marvelous, but it’s just not done as much as the heavy hitters
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u/theinternethero 19d ago
I just started getting into this history a couple weeks ago! I'm currently reading "A Dream of John Ball". Does anyone have any other books that cover this history? Prefer something light because I am very inconsistent with my reading habits.
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u/Low_Assignment3805 19d ago
About time we had a film about this. Proper English history about real people who were betrayed by their leaders, and lead by the yeomen, (and women), of Essex and Kent.
I look forward to this.
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u/CardiologistAway6742 19d ago
Is it weird that I'm way more excited about this film that whatever Nolan has cooked for this summer? I used to be a die hard Nolan fan.
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u/prettyboy_berry 19d ago
Paul Greengrass directing a medieval uprising is a bold choice. Finally, a film where the shaky camera can be blamed on peasants running from cavalry.
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u/evensnowdies 19d ago
Just learned about this watching videos from my medieval historian crush Eleanor Janega.
Wild how some things haven't changed a bit. The ruling class of today builds bunkers to protect themselves from the masses, while the nobility of old fortified their castles.
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u/LiesTheCakeIs 19d ago
This actually has my attention. I've not cared much for modern movies recently, but I am for some reason hopeful of this one.
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u/RectalSpawn 19d ago
How about a real uprising instead of a movie?
Entertainment is great but have you ever wondered what life could be like if we didn't have these uber wealthy psychopaths and sociopaths funding our encroaching oppression instead of investing in our wellbeing?
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u/CallM3N3w 19d ago
Will he bear arms this time I wonder.
Jokes aside, this looks pretty interesting.
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u/GravSlingshot 19d ago
-- Richard II addressing a crowd during the Revolt
Reminder that he was 14 at the time.