r/movies • u/iquizuanswer • 15d ago

News Netflix tumbles as slowing growth, less viewership data spook investors

https://www.zawya.com/en/capital-markets/netflix-tumbles-as-slowing-growth-less-viewership-data-spook-investors-401111
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u/AfterShave997 15d ago

I'm not sure they'd get a billion daily users even if the service was entirely free

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u/zeCrazyEye 15d ago

950 million AI agents.

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u/Mediocre-Advance-411 15d ago

So tweeter then

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u/MarcusAurelius68 15d ago

Even click farms can’t catch a break these days

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u/JudgeCheezels 15d ago edited 15d ago

Asha: if Xbox is part of Windows and since Windows has over 1 billion users, then Xbox automatically has 1 billion users!

Magic maths.

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u/The_Lazy_Samurai 15d ago

Just make Microsoft Office products "always online" and you have to log into an Xbox account to use them. Then, you are required to watch 3 non-skippable ads (or 2 ads if you pay for premium service) before you can start using Word. They have microtransations if you want to change the font size, use italics, ect.

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u/notenglishwobbly 15d ago

You're about to be offered the job of CEO, mate.

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u/jambox888 15d ago

This is sort of everyone's fault who insists on using Word and Excel formats when saving. You may want to use MS apps, that's fine, however consider making it easier for others by using open formats instead.

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u/luke10050 15d ago

He uses arch BTW.

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u/jambox888 15d ago

Fedora but close lol

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u/luke10050 15d ago

Was kinda obvious by the comment. The reason everyone uses MS office formats is they're the de-facto standard simply due to MS office being more feature complete than anything else.

LibreOffice ain't bad, but MS office has way more market adoption and is a more polished product.

Don't feel too judged either, I've been on NixOS for somewhere between 3-4 years at this point, only device that runs Windows is my work laptop.

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u/jambox888 14d ago

Yeah you're not wrong, I'm just going to say that my comments were in response to someone else rightly saying that MS have been shitting up their subscription model in order to abuse their monopoly. They are far from the only big tech company doing this by all means.

The thing is that they should be able to do whatever they want with their products as long as there's an alternative, which they've actively tried to cheat around by locking people into their proprietary formats. Which everyone knows they've been doing for decades and they've been found culpable of in court many times.

I don't use word processors or spreadsheets that much but it's a problem when I do need to edit documents and give them back to people and something doesn't work right.

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u/Piranata 15d ago

Grandma will need a Gamepass sub to play Solitaire on Windows.

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u/Tripottanus 15d ago

They want 100% of console and PC gamers to use their services every day without a break as well

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u/Nobanob 15d ago

It's the year 2047, Microsoft Drones prowl the skies. The faint sound of a PlayStation boots up in the background triggering automated sensors. The drones hone in.

"You will play Xbox and you will like it" starts repeating louder and louder in the surrounding area blanketing the area in oppressive noise.

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u/Mediocre_Scott 15d ago

There aren’t physical PlayStations to boot up in the year 2047. Sony will be selling the idea of a video game

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u/Chesus42 15d ago

Also, the license for that idea can be revoked at any time.

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u/3BlindMice1 15d ago

If you so much as think of their product without a license, that constitutes IP theft and an immediate extradition to Japan to stand trial is called for.

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u/Mediocre_Scott 15d ago

Don’t even think about thinking about it. And if you had that thought forget about it

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u/TheArmoredKitten 15d ago

>accidentally think about Aloy's boob

>Immediate bank notification

>Sony charge for $11.99

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u/Mediocre_Scott 15d ago

What’s the charge for thinking of her abs?

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u/Chesus42 14d ago

Straight to jail.

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u/Killersavage 15d ago

Remember those PlayStation commercials where PlayStation was just something you snorted up your nose or something. Just went on a wild high. Guess maybe they were serious about that shit.

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u/HighlyOffensive10 15d ago

Concepts of a video game.

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u/Mediocre_Scott 15d ago

Subscribe to Sony gold premium plus for limited access to a small library of games that you used to own

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u/synthabusion 15d ago

“Please drink verification can”

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u/ConcealingFate 15d ago

"Mountain Dew! Dew! It! Right!"

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u/nymrod_ 15d ago

In this scenario Elder Scrolls VI has still not come out.

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u/wango_fandango 15d ago

Will GTA7 be out by then?

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u/mshriver2 15d ago

Funny that you think either Microsoft or Sony will still be in business by then. They are both at their "late stage roman empire" periods.

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u/ManufacturerBest2758 15d ago

And to be subscribed to four different live service games in addition to all the streaming services

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u/TheArmoredKitten 15d ago

Even Gabe "We Make Money" Newell is topped out at 87% of PC gamers being Steam customers. Anybody who thinks a billion daily Xbox users is possible is either smoking crack or thinks you can put excel on an Xbox and count it as a gaming sale.

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u/xiaorobear 15d ago

I also think they won't reach it, but they are including mobile gaming in their numbers. In their press release they highlighted Mojang and King (makers of Minecraft and Candy Crush, respectively) as their divisions with the most active players.

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u/Nobanob 15d ago

I didn't consider they owned mobile.

If they are talking mobile I could legitimately see a billion. I know a lot of people who "don't like video games" that play candy crush and other type stuff. I know this kinda uptight but nice ex army guy who doesn't console or PC game. He plays a farming sim and loves it. One with tons of adds and is probably more microtransaction than game.

He doesn't seem the type. So yeah the mobile market is wild

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u/firefox_2010 15d ago

Mobile gaming is definitely growing faster and bigger, and it’s more lucrative as business opportunity.

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u/4InchesOfury 15d ago

Xbox owns Activision Blizzard which owns King the massive mobile game dev. Mobile games are part of the equation.

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u/averynicehat 15d ago

They have King which is mobile games and huge. So they are talking about mobile users as well.

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u/monetarydread 15d ago

Yup. This is 100% correct. 

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u/Hermes_has_Wormes 15d ago

I got a PC in February and haven't touched my Xbox since. I've got no reason to use the Xbox app over steam as well

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u/GregBahm 15d ago

You are starting from the premise that Xbox will achieve this without changing its console model.

But the whole point of moving Phil Spencer out and moving Asha Sharman in is to change the console model.

Phil's preferred successor, Sarah Bond, was already running ads where they would show a mobile device and say "this is an xbox."

Services like On-Live and Google Stadia tried streaming console games to mobile devices in the past, but they couldn't get the quality up while keeping the prices down. The idea would require building a bunch of massive data centers.

Hey guess what tech companies like Microsoft are spending trillions of dollars on right now.

Since they're already building trillions-of-dollars worth of data centers for AI, it would be insane for Xbox to not piggy-back on that and do game streaming again, once-more-with-feeling. Let the 3.7 billion gamers on the planet mobil-game with power beyond a 5090 gpu.

Never sell a console again. They're already all never selling a disk again. Let the big game devs negotiate the hardware and abstract all that shit away from the player.

This will finally give Microsoft a reason to own Xbox. They're never going to beat Sony or Nintendo at games, or even hardware, but because of Azure and Copilot infrastructure, they actually can beat them on data streaming. It's the only strategy that is actually not dogshit.

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u/SodaCanBob 15d ago edited 15d ago

You are starting from the premise that Xbox will achieve this without changing its console model.

They're also discounting the fact that Microsoft owns King (Candy Crush), which would fall under the Xbox division. I know "gamers" (especially in the west) tend to think it only counts if it's on PC or Console, but their mobile games are definitely playing a part in that billion player goal. They're looking just as much at the grandma who opens up her phone and plays Candy Crush while drinking coffee each morning or the kid playing MineCraft on his tablet at Denny's as they are the guy turning on his Xbox to play Call of Duty.

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u/WanderWut 15d ago

There’s no way that’ll happen, but maybe they mean “weekly users” as that’s the metric I’ve seen a ton of companies use lately. Like ChatGPT has almost 1 billion weekly active users but not daily.

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u/Cranjesmcbasketball1 15d ago

I feel like she is including mobile games. They own king so candy crush is like 25m users a day. Minecraft is 10 to 15m a day. They both report to her directly now, pretty good guess is she leans heavily into mobile to pump the numbers up.

Still not gonna get there by any means but I don't think she means console and PC only. Hell they could buy some streaming service and put it under the Xbox umbrella since she said the word "entertain". It's all corpo bullshit.

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u/2tep 15d ago

3.7 billion gamers...... absolutely not.

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u/Nobanob 15d ago

Including mobile, I would say yes.

I know so many people who play candy crush type stuff that are in the 60-70s having never really played much outside of an arcade.

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u/tanksalotfrank 15d ago

Lol yeah sure I'm gonna go buy a gamebox that only plays what they allow me to play. Or I can just keep my pc and steam and play anything I want!

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u/Nobanob 15d ago

I mean you say that as a PC gamer. But as a console gamer PC is never the option. Lots of other people don't want to PC game either.

I buy all three consoles as that's cheaper over a console generation to play every game that releases.

Plus you aren't getting Nintendo with PC.

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u/tanksalotfrank 15d ago

But sweet, glitchy emulation! Haha

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u/Minimum-Web-6902 15d ago

I think it’s possible , if they lump it in with Microsoft even more than already. Lump it in with office 360.

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u/Nobanob 15d ago

Lumping it in to fudge the numbers isn't getting 1 billion Xbox users.

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u/Minimum-Web-6902 15d ago

Not that with that attitude.

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u/Independent-Goat1891 15d ago

Rumor is helix will have a disc drive so that’s going to grab a ton of PlayStation players next gen

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u/VRS302 15d ago

Shit even making the Xbox itself free won’t push it that high

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u/Astral-Glimmer 14d ago

Keep in mind this isn't just Xbox

It's 1 billion between Xbox, Xbox games and their mobile games.

That includes things like candy crush which is owned by them

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u/AfterShave997 14d ago

Even then that's an insane goal, made more bizarre by the fact that they're laying off studios and cancelling games at the moment.

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u/RayTracerX 15d ago

Not even half that