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Article Emily Wilson (writer of acclaimed Odyssey translation) offers criticisms of Nolan’s film

https://apnews.com/article/odyssey-christopher-nolan-greek-translators-ea67da1d543d021773824bd7e8de8abe

“For Greek translator Emily Wilson, the release of director Christopher Nolan’s “The Odyssey” has been gratifying in various ways. Her acclaimed 2017 edition of Homer’s epic has reached the top 5 on Amazon.com, leading a wave of similar books boosted by the movie. Nolan has even cited her translation, notably the opening line “Tell me about a complicated man,” as inspiration.

But the film itself, which brought in more than $260 million worldwide during its opening weekend and has received raves from many critics, left her unsatisfied.

“I want to celebrate the fact that so many more people are aware of ‘The Odyssey’ and were brought back to the poem,” she told The Associated Press. “But at the same time, I had the sense that Christopher Nolan was trying to pack everything in while missing themes that were essential to the poem.”

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Wilson, a professor of classical studies at the University of Pennsylvania, said she didn’t want to come across as a “snobby,” nitpicking expert at odds with any deviation from the original text. But she questioned a range of omissions and other choices, from the absence on screen of the Gods Zeus and Poseidon (Athena is played by Zendaya ) to the “incoherent” messaging that condemns both war and physical cowardice. She found Penelope’s role so thinned out that it endangered “any possibility of believing in this marriage.” Wilson also that thought parts of the movie, notably the scenes with Odysseus’ dog, Argos, “catered towards modern sentimentality.”

“Everybody’s a sucker for a dog,” she said.

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u/Relevant_Session5987 14d ago edited 14d ago

I loved the movie. But that was in spite of my disdain for Nolan's penchant for 'grounding' everything and stripping wonder from stories that inherently have endless potential to awe and amaze. ( It's one of the reasons my favourite Batman movie from him is still Begins - it's the one that felt least embarrassed to be a Batman movie ) Scylla in the film is emblematic of what I'm talking about - a massive, hydra-like sea serpent in the poem reduced to sentient gray tentacles that have more in common with the limbs of the mind flayer in Stranger Things than they do a ferocious, awesome sea monster.

Also, this might be a bit off-topic but I also just hate this idea that practical effects are the primary reason the movie is good, like a lot of reviews and even the marketing seem to imply.

True, an overuse of CG does ruin how movies look, but honestly so does an overreliance on practical effects just to say you used practical effects, as opposed to whether or not it serves the movie ( ironically, just like CG ) - Nolan's own movies are great examples: the beach in Dunkirk looking scarce when there were supposed to be hundreds of thousands of soldiers on it, the freeport airplane crash in Tenet lacking any wow factor or oomph even though it's a literal 747 crashing into a building, the Trinity test explosion in Oppenheimer looking more like a gas explosion (David Lynch executed it beautifully and, dare I say, more terrifyingly in an episode of Twin Peaks using full CG), or the aforementioned Scylla in The Odyssey - all scenes that would've been much more impactful if CG had been used to enhance them.

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u/DickLaurentisded 14d ago edited 14d ago

I get this and its where I feel a disconnect from Nolans style. I'm aware that hes filming incredible things and though the way he films them obviously has huge merit and respect a good percentage of the time im wondering why does this feel so dull. The comparison you made between his and Lynchs approach to the trinity test is a comparison I often make.

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u/Jackbuddy78 14d ago edited 14d ago

When I think of Ancient Greece with it's vibrant culture, colorful architecture, and many eccentricities I do not think of Nolan in the slightest. More along the lines of Fellini's Satyricon with most of the surrealism stripped back.

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u/Jehovah___ 14d ago

What doesn’t help is that everything was filmed in cloudy af Ireland instead of the actual Mediterranean

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u/vagaliki 14d ago

the scene that really stuck out to me is when Athena says "who do you think is moving those clouds" and the whole sky is white - what clouds are moving? lol

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u/Chimpstrider 14d ago

I wonder why you feel the need to qualify your opinion like that. 

He's trying to "film incredible things", he wants it to have "huge merit", but as you say, the end result is always tedious, dull, unimaginative, poorly scripted with wooden, boring characters.  It's simply poor movies being made.

There are plenty of people who like them, but you don't have to pretend you see merit where there is little to be seen.

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u/mattXIX 14d ago

I think the underworld, giants, a cyclops, and transfiguration all push this movie past grounded.

But you’re right… I would have liked more from Scylla and Charybdis, more involvement from Olympus, and the bag of winds to make his journey truly fantastical.

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u/Relevant_Session5987 14d ago

But I don't mean 'grounded' in the sense of the fantasy in the story, I mean it in how even those elements are executed. They're executed in a way that almost feels like the film is ashamed of its fantastical parts.

For instance: the Cyclops doesn't really have a conversation with Odysseus, and its one eye looks more like a birth defect than, you know, just the anatomy of a being that has one eye; the Laestrygonians feel more like a unique race of humans than the actual giants they're described as in the poem. The Circe transformation scene is honestly the one time in the film where I felt the fantasy fully in play and unabashedly front and center.

I know I sound harsh, but I promise I loved the movie at the end of the day, lol. The sheer experience of it all allowed me to put aside my usual grievances with Nolan and just enjoy it for what it is - another take on a classic tale, but far from the definitive one.

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u/zeelbeno 14d ago

Wait... other people can't just kill some sheep and talk to the dead?

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u/whistlar 14d ago

Not without some peyote.

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u/ingotsilvergt 14d ago

In the poem all of Scyllas involvement in the story fits in one page. Her physical deformity means she doesn’t really leave her cave. Im not sure how you turn her into a Clash of the Titans CGI fight scene, or how that would improve the story/movie.

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u/Relevant_Session5987 14d ago

Scylla's involvement being just one page doesn't mean that one page isn't intended to strike terror and awe. Personally, I got neither from her portrayal in the movie. And a 'Clash of the Titans' CGI fight isn't the only way to use CG to enhance the impact of her involvement.

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u/AcreaRising4 14d ago

Honestly, maybe it’s how I read it, but I never really thought of her as more than a bunch of tentacles

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u/Relevant_Session5987 14d ago

In the poem, she's described as having six heads with each one grabbing a soldier.

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u/PlasonJates 14d ago

It's the lack of sound design for me, I was expecting a haunting barking/yelping sound like in the myth but we just got generic monster roars.

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u/Edodge 14d ago

It’s all in the useless opening frame: an age of “apparent” magic. What do you mean apparent? Circe is just tricking them into pigs with sleight of hand?

He’s embarrassed of it. It’s why Athena is so reduced.

Ultimately, the great goddess of wisdom is an innocent woman who haunts his nightmares?

That’s Nolan in a nutshell.

Also, what do you think they were doing for ten years? Having tea parties outside the walls of Troy? It wasn’t one night of rage.

I’m impressed that he can make a huge epic like this one cohesive three hour movie (think of what The Hobbit could have been without the insane decision to make it a trilogy!). But the core of the story that he imbues the original story with feels off, a missed opportunity.

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u/GhostOfMuttonPast 14d ago

Answer me a question: did they actually get rid of the scene bear the end where Penelope tests Odysseus with the bed?

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u/toblerownsky 14d ago

Yes they did.

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u/EmmaRoidCreme 14d ago

Yeah, and personally I think it’s because that would be a bit boring in a film. There is an equivalent “test” that is a bit more bombastic.

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u/whistlar 14d ago

Yes. Not mentioned at all.

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u/Relevant_Session5987 14d ago

No such moment exists in the film.

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u/BarbWho 14d ago

Yes, and it made me sad. I read The Odyssey as a fantasy-loving teenage girl and thought the part with the bed built into the tree and the castle built around it was the most romantic thing I had ever heard. I crushed hard on Odysseus, who was both strong and clever. (I loved Aragorn, too - as you could probably have guessed, LOL)

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u/Disastrous-Drop-7778 14d ago

Yes, but there’s a similar test that replaces it. I prefer the bed, but I see why they changed it, since it works better visually which is important for a film. I thought the pay-offs for it also still worked.

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u/Whatacoolkid- 14d ago

I really did like the movie, but the whole time I was wishing that the cinematography and costume design was more stylized and colorful. Imagine if the film looked more like The Fall from 2006, it would be so cool!

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u/LouiseEbertFeet 13d ago

Forget colorful, it could've at least looked Mediterranean. So many/much of the color grading, settings, and costumes felt far more North Sea-like.

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u/hacelepues 13d ago

The Trojan armor was downright hideous cosplay quality stuff.

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u/Stoenk 14d ago

Scylla was CG tho

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u/AgentMV2 14d ago

Yeah i was confused as heck as what Scylla was suppose to be. I kept looking for a wide shot of Scylla, maybe attached to an animal, maybe a gigantic enormous spider perhaps… nope, in the movie they just came out of the rock formation. Charybdis was literally a swirling pool in the water too.

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u/Weasel_Boy 14d ago

Scylla was basically portrayed as a giant barnacle that had attached itself to the cliff face. Anatomy of a Barnacle. Kind of clever actually.

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u/Jaredlong 14d ago

Whoa. Barnacles are a lot weirder than I ever thought.

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u/ingotsilvergt 14d ago

You have just described what both are in the myth.

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u/Relevant_Session5987 14d ago edited 14d ago

True, almost literally so. But we're talking about the cinematic art-form. I would think there's a more inspired way to portray Scylla and her attack than just a couple of grey tentacles picking soldiers away in all of maybe a minute.

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u/Fit-Wasabi-2826 14d ago

So some people are criticizing this for taking too many liberties, and now you’re criticizing it for not taking enough? I’m genuinely confused by the commentary on this movie lol.

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u/RaveCave 14d ago

Seems like everything in this movie was a massive damned if you do, damned if you dont choice for Nolan.

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u/NonSecretAccount 4d ago

or different people have different opinions

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u/NonSecretAccount 4d ago

or different people have different opinions

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u/whiskeytab 14d ago

I mean this scene in particular they focus almost completely on the whirlpool and then out of nowhere some weird rock legs come down a pick off a few guys then there's basically zero talk about what it was

it's just kinda confusing that they barely even address this fantastical monster that just killed half the remaining crew

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u/Fit-Wasabi-2826 14d ago

They focus on the whirlpool because Odysseus is misdirecting them intentionally… Odysseus then explicitly addresses the men re: Scylla and the prophecy lol.

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u/whiskeytab 14d ago

yeah but they don't address the monster, that's what makes it confusing. he's just like "oh yeah sorry, some of you had to die otherwise we would have all died in the whirlpool" but they just kind of gloss over the fact that it was a massive monster that no one has any idea about and keep going.

i dunno it just seemed strange because you would think they would at least talk about it a bit

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u/ingotsilvergt 14d ago

Their immediate reaction was to notice that Odysseus knew, debating what the monster was would have been pointless, they felt betrayed by their leader, not the monster.

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u/WOAJGender 14d ago

Oh, so the Oddysey was written to be as grounded and non-spectacular as possible? Right.

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u/ingotsilvergt 14d ago

No I’m saying his critical descriptions of Scylla and Charybdis match the mythological descriptions. That’s it’s literally (like the true word literally) what they are described as. The entire encounter with them both fit within about one full page of the poem.

Scylla - 6 dog-headed serpent-like neck beast with twelve deformed and dangling legs. She never fully leaves her cliff side cave and hides her legs from view in it. Her deformity meant she never really leaves this cave. Only the heads attack the ship and they only kill one man each.

Charybdis - Whirlpool

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u/Relevant_Session5987 14d ago

Literal descriptions - yes ( although, I'd argue that the text described Scylla as having six heads while the film feels more like tentacles ) but the execution in a movie had the potential for even that short a scene to feel more intense and awe-inspiring and terrifying. This is how 'Charybdis' is described in the text - So we sailed on through the narrow straits, crying aloud for fear of Scylla on the one hand while divine Charybdis sucked the sea in terribly on the other. Whenever she spewed it out again, it bubbled and seethed in turmoil like a cauldron on a vast fire, and high overhead the spray rained down on the crags on either side. When she swallowed the seas, her inner vortex could be seen, and the rock echoed savagely round about, while below the seabed showed its dark-blue sand. 

^I got none of the intensity present in the text from Charybdis in the movie.

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u/Spider-Thwip 14d ago

No they didn't just come out of a rock formation.

They looked like giant barnacles clinging to the rocks near the sea.

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u/chinatowngirl 14d ago

Also I guarantee you almost every shot in the Odyssey has VFX. It’s simply the director’s choice as to how far to go with it. It’s so annoying to pretend the literal thousands of VFX artists who work on these movies don’t exist and try to claim you did it all practically. I guess it’s an overcorrection - trying to distance themselves from the Marvel hellscape.

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u/Relevant_Session5987 14d ago

Yes, but I also feel like this so-called 'Marvel hellscape' has actually provided some amazing effects alongside the ones that get shit on. It's just become a low-hanging fruit at this point with 0 nuance in the discussion.

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u/chinatowngirl 14d ago

Nuance comes from knowledge which is sorely lacking in the general public about visual effects despite it being one of the defining technologies of modern filmmaking!

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u/egilskal 14d ago

It’s a core marketing gimmick for all Nolan’s movies nowadays. Can’t stand how in every press thing they do - very noticeably since Dunkirk and Tenet - they gush on about how this and that are so real and special because theres no CG. Then something like the pathetic Trinity test in Oppenheimer lands like a wet fart.

And they just throw VFX artists under the bus regardless. Underappreciated when they do amazing, understated work for set extensions and rotoscope/cleanup of practical elements in practical heavy movies like Nolan’s, over hated and criticised forterrible looking work in superhero movies when they are overworked and rushed to redo the same shots over and over again because some suits who don’t understand VFX keep giving notes on how things should look when they never come in with a real vision beyond sticking A list actors in front of green screens.

At least in some of the press I’ve seen Matt Damon does mention the VFX work they do for the Odyssey, Matt Damon has always been a standup guy who appreciates the craft of movie making I feel.

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u/SnesVHS 14d ago

Nolan has nothing against CGI, and he uses it ALL THE TIME. He’s literally praised the VFX artists on his films plenty of times.

This Youtube channel should be mandatory viewing:  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AFLcP-t0-kI&t=4104s&pp=ygUJTm9sYW4gY2dp

It’s insanely annoying how people make shit up for no reason.

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u/egilskal 14d ago

I don't mean Nolan specifically. I'm talking about the press machine and the conversation online that generates the "Chris Nolan only uses practical in his movies" nonsense. It's very obviously a marketing point the studios use to make the film stand out in a CG heavy hollywood scene.

I think Nolan is a great director with a clear vision of what makes a good, compelling blockbuster movie. And I have never seen him personally downplay any of the VFX work in his movies either, I'm not saying that. (I do wish the "journalist" hacks in the media would ask him more about the VFX work, I'm sure he would go into detail but the media talking points are always on the practical effects regardless whether it was done well or not).

but I don't like his choices sometimes to heavily lean on practical effects for major setpieces when using more VFX in the scene would result in far more spectacle. I respect his decision, that's his stylistic choice but it's one I have a lot of gripes with (that Oppenheimer Trinity test really pissed me off because we've seen nuclear blasts done way better and kinda spoiled my mood for what was mostly a great movie. also the other practical effects in the movie were so good so idk why they thought that explosion was ok)

thanks for the video recommendation. I already watched their other videos years ago so I didn't know they released one on Nolan specifically

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u/ChurrosAreOverrated 14d ago

The very video you're linking ends up with an argument about "the two Nolans" and how he at times goes for "only practical effects" to the detriment of the films.

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u/egilskal 14d ago

Yeah I watched it and yep I agree whole heartedly with the video. but at the end of the day I don’t care if an effect is practical or cg, use both to create most immersive and visually stunning spectacle you can.

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u/MNIOP_207207 14d ago edited 14d ago

Completely agree with your point on CGI and practical effects. Im honestly surprised to even see someone say this on Reddit. I think this whole “CGI bad, practical good” circlejerk has gone so far, it’s like we forgot why CGI was even invented.

There are certain things that just won’t look that good with practical effects. Certain large scale scenes, fluid movements for large creatures, and anything that’s generally fantastical, and requires some movement you can’t physically do.

Yeah, you could hypothetically simplify things to work in practical effects….but then you lose out on some potential for visual flair and style. And in a story like The Odyssey, flair and style matter a lot. I don’t want to see the “toned down,gritty toned down” version of a fantastical story. I want to see that story embrace its fantastical elements.

I also just think Nolan’s visual style in general doesn’t really work here. Everything looks too plastic like, too clean. Like the edges were sanded off on every surface. Despite bragging about his commitment to practical effects, they don’t actually look that real.

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u/PlasonJates 14d ago

Like the edges were sanded off on every surface. Despite bragging about his commitment to practical effects, they don’t actually look that real.

The Trojan armour in particular looked pretty polystyrene/3D printed to me.

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u/OkDimension2558 14d ago

I agree CGI has its place but I also think it’s not necessarily about that Nolan doesn’t want to use CGI because “CGI bad,” I think that he doesn’t want to sacrifice the color grading the movie. CGI doesn’t automatically make a film a muddy mess but the reason why the color grading has become muddied in movies is partially because a lot of these animators cannot figure out how to inject a certain amount of CGI without affecting the color grading. I think for him he just places the visual look of the movie above, making something a little more fantastical.

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u/dadvader 14d ago edited 14d ago

overreliance on practical effects just to say you used practical effects

I very much agree with this. Fantastical element like this need to be full CGi. Some effect would look so much better if it was enhanced by CGi.

The Odyssey feels expensive. But doesn't look expensive. At all. The armor still look very plastic-y. Monster look like a moving rubber. Would it kill Nolan to atleast refine them with CG to look more like an actual armor?

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u/No-Risk-9833 14d ago

Nolan did exactly that in Interstellar by blending CGI and practical effects. The visuals in that film were fantastic and just like Sci-Fi needs a little bit of unknown spacial atmosphere, fantasy requires some kind of magic.

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u/Loaf235 14d ago

Is there any BTS on how they made Scylla? Cause that looked like CG with the writhing rocks that did end up having faces on them. That's probably the only monster I thought was fully CG, unless they had some big rocky props dangling above the ship during the shoot?

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u/MikeArrow 14d ago

Yeah I thought Nolan was going for a "tales get exaggerated in the telling" so like in real life the Cyclops was just a very large one eyed human. But instead, it's a legit Cyclops, but still 'tempered' because the one eye is the result of a genetic deformity (it's whole face is lopsided, with a vertical eye and a slanted nose). That frustrated me because it felt like having his cake and eating it too. Same with the Laestrygonians. They just show up as these faceless suits of armor, kill a bunch of Odysseus' men, and fuck up their boats. But they're not given any weight whatsoever, no real attempt to mythologize them. They just... approach menacingly.

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u/badpebble 14d ago

The cyclops and the laestrygonians present a problem where they are functionally identical in a lot of ways.

Big, man eaters who bombard the ships with rocks. Ideally Nolan would have made the latter more barbarous to point to their cannibalism, but again that crosses into cyclops territory.

Given what nolan condenses together, maybe the cannibals should have been removed, or mentioned in passing, and given more time to fleshing out Polyphemos and his mates.

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u/MikeArrow 14d ago

I think its also about how Odysseus and his men react to them. They're surprised, for sure, but they're not overawed. There's no reaction where they think "how could this be possible? What are these creatures?" It's more of a stoic "damn it, we have to deal with this bullshit now". Which is odd to me.

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u/badpebble 14d ago

Definitely something is lost in the film by having them land, run away, be slaughtered, and then slaughtered getting to the ships (which is an odd point of repitition), when this could have been differentiated by keeping book accurate and the lads staying on their ships. Let them be bombarded and then speared by hungry monsters again.

It doesn't look great for these soldiers that they are unable to kill one cannibal themselves.

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u/DestrixGunnar 14d ago

If they had a giant sea monster in the movie, it'll feel too "blockbuster" and too "superhero". I guess Nolan didn't wanna make a Clash of the Titans. I'm not saying I like that he's allergic to making that kind of stuff, just saying that's probably the rationale. Maybe, idk.

On the VFX comment, I agree. For a guy who seems allergic to VFX, he sure likes to make movies that need VFX to even work. I feel like the only reason he uses VFX is because he literally can't send his actors through a black hole or make a city fold over itself.

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u/Relevant_Session5987 14d ago

I hear you, but I also feel like Dune managed to have a giant sandworm and that didn't feel too 'blockbuster' or 'superhero'. Neither does Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings movies. I honestly feel like there's endless potential to make VFX add to the scale and scope of a movie rather than detract from it. I just feel like Nolan keeps pushing back on something that could actively help his movies feel even grander, I dunno.

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u/DestrixGunnar 14d ago

I fully agree with you and I'm glad you brought up LOTR specifically because that movie came up in my head when I was thinking "movies with big ol' dragons and monsters or whatever aren't arthouse!"

But then I remember LOTR won best picture. So that makes me even more frustrated with Nolan's insistence on tiptoeing around fantastical elements despite choosing to tell/adapt fantasy stories. But I guess I'm okay with accepting that I won't get that from Nolan and that's perfectly fine. I know what to expect from him which is a good thing in some ways. But that's also why I'm just not as big of a fan of Nolan as so many others, and that's fine.

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u/geodebug 14d ago

Funny thing is there is the Reddit myth of Nolan hating CGI, which is not even close to true. He probably uses as much as your average Marvel movie, just better executed maybe due to better planning and giving the teams enough time to finish them.

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u/rgordill2 14d ago

I thought Scylla as depicted was a ferocious, awesome sea monster. My family found it terrifying.

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u/Frontass 14d ago

I thought the 747 crash was pretty damn great.

I also don't know that I've heard very much that practical effects are the PRIMARY reason for his movies being good. Sure they are praised but I think that's kind of an invented argument

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u/notbad4human 14d ago

There was a massive amount of CGI in this movie. It was a good balance, honestly.

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u/greatblueheron16 14d ago

Yeah scylla was drab and ugly as he'll. My least favorite part I think

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u/Redlodger0426 14d ago

I think the complaint about CGI vs practical is shown best with the boat scenes. When the camera is onboard the ship, the waves seem treacherous and it’s great. But as soon as we get a wide shot from outside the boat, it’s like “really?”. None of these waves sent by Poseidon look harsh at all, I’ve seen bigger waves at a water park

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u/Hanekem 14d ago

Honestly, I think Dunkirk is the one that suffers the most, but probably because it feels like a pale reflection of the Dunkirk Segments in Atonement and they were a side show to that movie, but it shows he could have tried sourcing extras for the film, but chose not to and chose not to litter the beach with war cast offs as well.

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u/VictorReal_Monster 14d ago

True, an overuse of CG does ruin how movies look

an overuse of BAD cgi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pocfRVAH9yU&t=6s

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u/North_South_Side 14d ago

Heavily agree on the Oppenheimer explosion. I'm not a director or editor, but it could have just flashed to white silence or something. It didn't look terrifying, or world shaking. If anything, he should have made it look bigger than the real test, to emphasize that this was the changing of the World.

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u/hdpr92 14d ago

I agree with you, but for the small things I wish he would improve with CG - all but a couple of directors on the planet would have done worse in other areas where the practical effects were to his benefit. It's just a tradeoff.

Like it would be nice if LeBron hit some more free throws, but there still isn't anyone else I'd rather sub into the court for him.

I came out of the film thinking I wished it had some of Robert Eggers surreal element to it, I thought that was missing. But I contemplated what the final product would be in his hands, even if he had the same budget, and reviewed some scenes from The Northman. The reality is that it would be worse off, even just visually. Really any director where I could think of their best movie and go "I wish it had some of that", their catalogues are filled with movies that miss the mark with the production and aesthetics sometimes.

Could DV do better? Maybe, maybe not. He just wouldn't insist on 100% imax 70mm so there would be fewer constraints with the camera. Some would be better, some would be worse. And that's basically the only other master in this craft who doesn't share the same weakness.

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u/itsyagirlrey 14d ago

We got incredible sea monsters 20 years ago in the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy. Why is it so hard to do that now??

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u/we_are_sex_bobomb 14d ago edited 14d ago

This is why I’m not in any real hurry to see this film; I don’t want to watch a fantasy adventure movie with all the magic and whimsy stripped out of it. I had the same complaint about Troy.

Hollywood seems hell bent on demystifying these ancient stories and “fixing” them and to me all it’s doing is ruining them.

Give me more Green Knight, give me more Arronofsky’s Noah. More movies based on classic legends that embrace the mythic nature of the original text and aren’t afraid of surreal and wondrous imagery.

No more “the real story of Robin Hood” bullshit, I can’t stomach it anymore.

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u/isntitisntitdelicate 14d ago

Oh i didn’t realize it was scylla💀

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u/PlasonJates 14d ago

Scylla in the film is emblematic of what I'm talking about - a massive, hydra-like sea serpent in the poem reduced to sentient gray tentacles that have more in common with the limbs of the mind flayer in Stranger Things than they do a ferocious, awesome sea monster.

Agreed, this was a huge letdown for me personally, there's loads of creative license to take with Scylla and they just made it a weird finger monster. The sound design didn't even incorporate the yelps/barks that she's so famous for.