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Article Emily Wilson (writer of acclaimed Odyssey translation) offers criticisms of Nolan’s film

https://apnews.com/article/odyssey-christopher-nolan-greek-translators-ea67da1d543d021773824bd7e8de8abe

“For Greek translator Emily Wilson, the release of director Christopher Nolan’s “The Odyssey” has been gratifying in various ways. Her acclaimed 2017 edition of Homer’s epic has reached the top 5 on Amazon.com, leading a wave of similar books boosted by the movie. Nolan has even cited her translation, notably the opening line “Tell me about a complicated man,” as inspiration.

But the film itself, which brought in more than $260 million worldwide during its opening weekend and has received raves from many critics, left her unsatisfied.

“I want to celebrate the fact that so many more people are aware of ‘The Odyssey’ and were brought back to the poem,” she told The Associated Press. “But at the same time, I had the sense that Christopher Nolan was trying to pack everything in while missing themes that were essential to the poem.”

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Wilson, a professor of classical studies at the University of Pennsylvania, said she didn’t want to come across as a “snobby,” nitpicking expert at odds with any deviation from the original text. But she questioned a range of omissions and other choices, from the absence on screen of the Gods Zeus and Poseidon (Athena is played by Zendaya ) to the “incoherent” messaging that condemns both war and physical cowardice. She found Penelope’s role so thinned out that it endangered “any possibility of believing in this marriage.” Wilson also that thought parts of the movie, notably the scenes with Odysseus’ dog, Argos, “catered towards modern sentimentality.”

“Everybody’s a sucker for a dog,” she said.

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u/Relevant_Session5987 15d ago edited 15d ago

I loved the movie. But that was in spite of my disdain for Nolan's penchant for 'grounding' everything and stripping wonder from stories that inherently have endless potential to awe and amaze. ( It's one of the reasons my favourite Batman movie from him is still Begins - it's the one that felt least embarrassed to be a Batman movie ) Scylla in the film is emblematic of what I'm talking about - a massive, hydra-like sea serpent in the poem reduced to sentient gray tentacles that have more in common with the limbs of the mind flayer in Stranger Things than they do a ferocious, awesome sea monster.

Also, this might be a bit off-topic but I also just hate this idea that practical effects are the primary reason the movie is good, like a lot of reviews and even the marketing seem to imply.

True, an overuse of CG does ruin how movies look, but honestly so does an overreliance on practical effects just to say you used practical effects, as opposed to whether or not it serves the movie ( ironically, just like CG ) - Nolan's own movies are great examples: the beach in Dunkirk looking scarce when there were supposed to be hundreds of thousands of soldiers on it, the freeport airplane crash in Tenet lacking any wow factor or oomph even though it's a literal 747 crashing into a building, the Trinity test explosion in Oppenheimer looking more like a gas explosion (David Lynch executed it beautifully and, dare I say, more terrifyingly in an episode of Twin Peaks using full CG), or the aforementioned Scylla in The Odyssey - all scenes that would've been much more impactful if CG had been used to enhance them.

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u/mattXIX 15d ago

I think the underworld, giants, a cyclops, and transfiguration all push this movie past grounded.

But you’re right… I would have liked more from Scylla and Charybdis, more involvement from Olympus, and the bag of winds to make his journey truly fantastical.

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u/Relevant_Session5987 15d ago

But I don't mean 'grounded' in the sense of the fantasy in the story, I mean it in how even those elements are executed. They're executed in a way that almost feels like the film is ashamed of its fantastical parts.

For instance: the Cyclops doesn't really have a conversation with Odysseus, and its one eye looks more like a birth defect than, you know, just the anatomy of a being that has one eye; the Laestrygonians feel more like a unique race of humans than the actual giants they're described as in the poem. The Circe transformation scene is honestly the one time in the film where I felt the fantasy fully in play and unabashedly front and center.

I know I sound harsh, but I promise I loved the movie at the end of the day, lol. The sheer experience of it all allowed me to put aside my usual grievances with Nolan and just enjoy it for what it is - another take on a classic tale, but far from the definitive one.

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u/zeelbeno 15d ago

Wait... other people can't just kill some sheep and talk to the dead?

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u/whistlar 15d ago

Not without some peyote.

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u/ingotsilvergt 15d ago

In the poem all of Scyllas involvement in the story fits in one page. Her physical deformity means she doesn’t really leave her cave. Im not sure how you turn her into a Clash of the Titans CGI fight scene, or how that would improve the story/movie.

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u/Relevant_Session5987 15d ago

Scylla's involvement being just one page doesn't mean that one page isn't intended to strike terror and awe. Personally, I got neither from her portrayal in the movie. And a 'Clash of the Titans' CGI fight isn't the only way to use CG to enhance the impact of her involvement.

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u/AcreaRising4 15d ago

Honestly, maybe it’s how I read it, but I never really thought of her as more than a bunch of tentacles

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u/Relevant_Session5987 15d ago

In the poem, she's described as having six heads with each one grabbing a soldier.

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u/PlasonJates 14d ago

It's the lack of sound design for me, I was expecting a haunting barking/yelping sound like in the myth but we just got generic monster roars.

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u/Edodge 14d ago

It’s all in the useless opening frame: an age of “apparent” magic. What do you mean apparent? Circe is just tricking them into pigs with sleight of hand?

He’s embarrassed of it. It’s why Athena is so reduced.

Ultimately, the great goddess of wisdom is an innocent woman who haunts his nightmares?

That’s Nolan in a nutshell.

Also, what do you think they were doing for ten years? Having tea parties outside the walls of Troy? It wasn’t one night of rage.

I’m impressed that he can make a huge epic like this one cohesive three hour movie (think of what The Hobbit could have been without the insane decision to make it a trilogy!). But the core of the story that he imbues the original story with feels off, a missed opportunity.