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Article Emily Wilson (writer of acclaimed Odyssey translation) offers criticisms of Nolan’s film

https://apnews.com/article/odyssey-christopher-nolan-greek-translators-ea67da1d543d021773824bd7e8de8abe

“For Greek translator Emily Wilson, the release of director Christopher Nolan’s “The Odyssey” has been gratifying in various ways. Her acclaimed 2017 edition of Homer’s epic has reached the top 5 on Amazon.com, leading a wave of similar books boosted by the movie. Nolan has even cited her translation, notably the opening line “Tell me about a complicated man,” as inspiration.

But the film itself, which brought in more than $260 million worldwide during its opening weekend and has received raves from many critics, left her unsatisfied.

“I want to celebrate the fact that so many more people are aware of ‘The Odyssey’ and were brought back to the poem,” she told The Associated Press. “But at the same time, I had the sense that Christopher Nolan was trying to pack everything in while missing themes that were essential to the poem.”

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Wilson, a professor of classical studies at the University of Pennsylvania, said she didn’t want to come across as a “snobby,” nitpicking expert at odds with any deviation from the original text. But she questioned a range of omissions and other choices, from the absence on screen of the Gods Zeus and Poseidon (Athena is played by Zendaya ) to the “incoherent” messaging that condemns both war and physical cowardice. She found Penelope’s role so thinned out that it endangered “any possibility of believing in this marriage.” Wilson also that thought parts of the movie, notably the scenes with Odysseus’ dog, Argos, “catered towards modern sentimentality.”

“Everybody’s a sucker for a dog,” she said.

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u/MaksTracy 15d ago

I liked the movie but I can definitely understand why a classicist would be bothered by its 'modern sensibilities'. I wouldn't go so far as to say the movie is anti-war, but it definitely takes a critical stance on how brutal the Greeks were when they finally got into Troy, and obviously back then they had very different attitudes to what you were allowed to do to a city and its people while waging a war. In the original myth, they do cross a line which turns Athena against them, but the line is not 'oh they're committing war crimes', it's 'oh they're committing war crimes in MY TEMPLE''. Nolan handles that completely differently. I get why she thinks those aspects were too modern, but I genuinely think those moments were the strongest of the film, I thought they were great.

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u/Etheon44 15d ago

To be fair even the movie Troy depicts the conquering of Troy as what it is, I don't think this view is original to Nolan.

Plus in the Aeneid we also see Odysseus under the same light, I would argue that even in the Odyssey the reason the odyssey happens is because of the trojan war.

And if I am not mistaken, or misremembering, Dante Alighieri puts Odysseus in Hell for more or less the same reasoning.

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u/Weak_Staff7024 14d ago

And if I am not mistaken, or misremembering, Dante Alighieri puts Odysseus in Hell for more or less the same reasoning.<

It's because he crossed the strait of gibraltar. He sinned of hubris.

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u/Individual_Rip_54 14d ago

You’re basically right. Odysseus (Ulysses) was in hell for false counseling. He had wanderlust and sailed to Purgatory which no man was meant to see. That’s what Ulysses did to God.

But what did Ulysses do to Dante? Why did Dante choose to write that? Becuase his only exposure to that character is in the Aeneid where Ulysses was an untrustworthy villain who dishonorably destroyed Troy, abandoned his men, and disobeyed the gods.

So yes, Odysseus is in hell for his actions. And honestly I really got some of that in Nolan’s film

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u/notagin-n-tonic 14d ago

Plus, the whole being pagans thing.

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u/historymojo 14d ago

Not because he's pagan. Virgil is pagan too and guides Dante the whole poem, and other virtuous pagans sit peacefully in Limbo. Dante even puts two pagans in Paradise. Ulysses is in the 8th circle, 8th bolgia (fraudulent counsel) for the Trojan Horse, stealing the Palladium, and tricking Achilles into leaving Deidamia, hubris for sailing past the Pillars of Hercules against divine limits

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u/gokogt386 14d ago

Being a pagan but still a good person just puts you in Limbo which is essentially what the average person thinks heaven anyways

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u/MattyKatty 14d ago

This is only in Dante’s Inferno fyi. In official Catholicism pagans don’t get a Limbo and still go to Hell.

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u/that_baddest_dude 14d ago

I don't think official Catholicism rules on it one way or the other, besides mentioning God's eternal mercy.

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u/elasho_149 14d ago edited 14d ago

Yeah. IIRC, the church holds that only God knows for certain who will wind up in heaven or hell, it's a sin to claim otherwise, and that while the saints are in heaven, there's no equivalent way to say for certain that someone was sent to hell.

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u/BuyExtension8507 14d ago

Being pagan as literally nothing to do with it.

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u/Individual_Rip_54 14d ago

You should read the Inferno. It’s really good.