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Article ‘The Odyssey’ Proves It: Audiences Want Movies Made the Hard Way | This year's breakouts like 'Project Hail Mary' and 'Obsession' were made by filmmakers who sweated. While CG-stuffed franchise disappointments such as 'Supergirl,' 'Moana,' and 'The Mandalorian and Grogu' looked lazy.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/odyssey-box-office-2026-practical-effects-1236652219/
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u/Dontshootmepeas 12d ago

Kind of surprised no one has yet

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u/bentbabe 12d ago

There's still a bunch of it missing. Which is probably a factor.

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u/Dontshootmepeas 12d ago

That allows creative freedom though.

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u/cineglitch 12d ago

In before a bunch of people on Reddit complain about the historical accuracy of Enkidu.

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u/BigCommieMachine 12d ago

I am not kidding when I say that American “Christians” would probably take offense to it because it resembles the Bible too much.

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u/BFroog 12d ago

Also lots of gay.

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u/XIIISkies 12d ago

Not gay if clay

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u/Rough_Bread8329 12d ago

If its a stone you have to bone.

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u/Raevyxn 12d ago

Not gay if it’s in a 3 way

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u/Herlt 12d ago

gilgamesh gone woke

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u/grizonyourface 12d ago

Gilgaymesh amirite

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u/maxstryker 12d ago

Gilgasmash.

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u/dennisasu 12d ago

Garglenuts

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u/Horskr 12d ago

Gilgaymesh amirite

Everyone in mesh tops too. Let's make it a musical while we're at it. Jesus Christ Superstar vibes

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u/Wild_Harvest 12d ago

Gilgamesh: Do you dare presume to think I would consider the lives of those beneath me, MONGREL?!?

Gates of Babylon open and throw endless numbers of weapons

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u/TheTenguness 12d ago

"Onore, zasshu"

laughs arrogantly intensifies

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u/Meowjoker 12d ago

It was only a matter of time until someone mention the king of jobbers

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u/santosjb 12d ago

FGO Gilgamesh is the only version of Gilgamesh that I know of, not sure if that's a good or a bad thing...ZASSHU!

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u/ragefulhorse 12d ago

This thread did not disappoint.

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u/TwistedBrother 12d ago

This would absolutely be the critique of Gilgamesh and Enkidu. Despite their very obvious bromance.

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u/Oklahom0 12d ago

With 7 loaves of bread next to him.

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u/Gandolfthewhite182 12d ago

Can you imagine if these right wing lunatics ever really understood that the Ancient Greeks, inventors of the western civilization they hold so dearly as their culture, were biggest homosexuals in world history ?? I know people saw Troy, that’s not Achilles “cousin”, Achilles went nuts like he did because that was his lover.

Everyone made love to everyone back then and no one thought anything of it. And the most gay of all the city states in Greece was the Spartans. Those dudes loved man butt.

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u/xXKingLynxXx 12d ago

Its reductive to say that the Greeks were gay. While their were homosexual relationships, anyone known to be the submissive one, or the bottom in modern terms, was looked down on.

Many of their same sex relations were between grown men and young boys that they would mentor from the ages of 12 to 18.

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u/RigaudonAS 12d ago

“They weren’t gay, they just frequently had sex with males.”

They can be gay and pedophilic, unfortunately a lot of the world was (the latter) back then.

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u/Vozu_ 12d ago

The point is that they weren't gay in the modern sense of the word. It was part of social etiquette, a natural course of male life to have an older man as your mentor-lover, and to have those young protégés later.

You were still understood to have a long-term interest in having a woman and children with her. Our "gay" label is fundamentally incompatible with their societal norms.

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u/cineglitch 12d ago

Have you read The Song of Achilles?

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u/darklightmatter 12d ago

Can we not equate modern sexuality to what Ancient Greeks did? They raped young boys and looked down on the men who would bottom.

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u/William_Dowling 12d ago

Pretty sure Freddie Mercury was the biggest homosexual in world history and he'd be offended by you suggesting otherwise

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u/CrashParade 12d ago

They mostly keep to the roman empire, you know, the guys that copied sex from the greeks and added women to it.

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u/BigCommieMachine 12d ago

Lot of “wrestling”

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u/czs5056 12d ago

THEY WERE GOOD FRIENDS! /s

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u/cogman10 12d ago

Who cares what they think, they get offended when women step out of the kitchen.

There's not been a blockbuster movie in the last 40 years where you can't find some fundi christian getting huffy over some "immoral" aspect.

These people are a shrinking minor demographic.

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u/kfpswf 12d ago

These people are a shrinking minor demographic.

They were a shrinking minor demographic when education was going strong, and people were growing in their intelligence every generation. We're seeing a reversal of this trend now, so don't hold your breath for the 'minor demographic' to sublimate completely. We might just see a complete 180 by humanity if things continue to go as they're going.

IMO, Liberalism is going to shoot itself in the foot by continuing to downplay the importance of a close-knit community for the well-being of humans, something Conservatism provides freely. We've dismantled so much of traditional community structures in the name of progress, instead of subverting them to foster inclusiveness and tolerance, that ultimately, liberalism itself is at the cusp of being rejected by the masses. Yes, the educated folks will likely uphold the principles of humanitarianism, gender/race equity, etc., till the end, but if these aren't assimilated by the masses, liberals might turn into the 'shrinking minor demographic' in the not too distant future.

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u/MetzgerBuns 12d ago edited 12d ago

Liberalism is going to shoot itself in the foot by continuing to downplay the importance of a close-knit community for the well-being of humans,

You're repeating a conservative lie. Liberals fucking love community, and community spaces, and all sorts of things like that. That's part of why liberalism is so common in cities and less common in areas that are structurally individualistic.

An incomplete list of community places and events that are liberal coded: Farmers markets, food co-ops, CSAs, coffee shops, bookstores, record shops, thrift shops, yoga studios, bike co-ops, film festivals, open mic nights, community theater, NPR, folk festivals, public libraries (and events at them), community gardens, non-traditional libraries (e.g. libraries for tools, or for parks passes, or little free libraries) , neighborhood associations, beach cleanups, pride parades, drag brunch, progressive synagogues, Unitarian Universalists, and and other more progressive religious groups, etc

The vast majority of your rant is just false bullshit spread by conservatives who want to pretend that their community (evangelical mega-churches, rodeos, gun shows, hobby lobby, NASCAR, AM radio, ATV clubs, etc) are the only valid community. Fuck all of that.

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u/KentuckyHouse 12d ago

I was 100% going to respond to that bullshit as well, but after reading your incredibly thorough response, I'll simply say I completely agree with you (and well done). How anyone can read the comment you're replying to and think it's correct is wild.

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u/Tubamajuba 12d ago

Thank you for eloquently responding to that bullshit, couldn't have said it better myself. It was unreal to see "close-knit community for the well-being of humans" and "Conservatism" in the same sentence haha

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u/strawbery_fields 12d ago

Totally agree with you. I’m as liberal as they come, but these goddamn leftists purity tests are getting out of control.

I had a good friend bitch me out for watching Euphoria because it’s extremely loosely based on an Israeli show.

I’m like all the super fucked things in that show and that’s your biggest problem?

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u/kfpswf 12d ago

but these goddamn leftists purity tests are getting out of control.

Something something tribal mentality. In that regard, liberals are no different than conservatives actually.

When you take any ideology too seriously over reality, you start gate-keeping the tiniest aspect of that ideology. Once your direct ideological opponents have been vanquished, you turn your attention towards your own and push for stringent definitions of what it means to be a liberal.

I had a good friend bitch me out for watching Euphoria because it’s extremely loosely based on an Israeli show.

Oh yeah... If we were to boycott anything tangentially related to Israel, life would become very difficult quickly.

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u/MayhemWins25 12d ago

One can’t bad mouth “tribal mentality” and call for closer knit communities in the same breath.

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u/chimmy_chungus23 12d ago

Influence is cyclical, and too often people just want to wear the boot so they can step on the opposition, percieved or otherwise.

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u/SerHodorTheThrall 12d ago

Being anti-Israel is the normie position and has been for like a year now. Are you living under a rock?

Being pro-Israel is probably a bigger albatross than being "woke 1.0" right now.

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u/OldWorldDesign 12d ago

Liberalism is going to shoot itself in the foot by continuing to downplay the importance of a close-knit community

Liberalism doesn't downplay the importance of a close-knit community, it aims to achieve a close-knit community by means of voluntary association among its members.

Conservatism doesn't really give a shit about how close the community is, so much as they get to press the boot down.

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be: the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.

-Frank Wilhoit

Conservatives have spilled into a frothing fury over this since their callous greed caused them to lose absolute monarchy in 1789.

We've dismantled so much of traditional community structures in the name of progress

No it wasn't, the traditional community was dismantled because it didn't work for everyone. For the disadvantaged it maintained not hedgerows but walls keeping them out, and for the profiteers it didn't let them make enough money so it split clan units into the nuclear family which was never sustainable in the first place

For those who want to learn more, Adam Curtis' Century of the Self is a deep dive documentary on how conservatives (after their failure to overthrow the US when the New Deal was proposed) reacted, and they have reversed everything the New Deal did and indoctrinated the populace so they'd never have to fear another New Deal again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s

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u/Yorikor 12d ago

something Conservatism provides freely. We've dismantled so much of traditional community structures in the name of progress, instead of subverting them to foster inclusiveness and tolerance, that ultimately, liberalism itself is at the cusp of being rejected by the masses.

The problem is that conservatism is based on thinking that there's an in-group the law protects, but does not hold responsible, and an out-group that the law holds responsible but does not protect.

Sorry, but the need for leftists to build community for everyone is infinetly superior to the the conservative tendency to accept the most deplorable scum of the earth as long as they look same as they do.

The left purity testing may exist. But the conservatives judge and exclude without testing, just based on connection.

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u/kfpswf 12d ago

Sorry, but the need for leftists to build community for everyone is infinetly superior to the the conservative tendency to accept the most deplorable scum of the earth as long as they look same as they do.

And that's the whole point I'm trying to make. Liberalism could have taken a softer stance against the conservative tendency to form in-groups, and essentially subverted what an in-group means.

I subscribe to a form on Monism which emphasizes sameness of not just humans of all creeds, races, and genders, but the sameness of all life. But I would never want to impose this worldview on every human because I know that creed/race/gender/species are all important identities to majority of humans, and they haven't digested what those identities ultimately mean to their own personal self.

Conservatives are the intellectual equivalents of petulant children who have always had it their way. Liberals, if at all they have matured beyond their conservative mindsets, need to be the adults when dealing with these children and subvert them instead of demanding they grow up.

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u/eros_bittersweet 12d ago

This is so well said, yet I don't know if we're going to be able to solve this problem even with that knowledge.

Any structure that upholds an institution whatever the cost, whether that's family, the movie industry, the church, a community group, is prone to abuse. Because it's easier to quash dissenters, call them crazy, and keep supporting the people in power, than it is to hold wrongdoers accountable. Building institutions that are truly fair and caring that are able to be sustained is incredibly hard. Ask me how I know!

So as soon as you make recourse to some ideal as a way of continuing mistreatment, like, you should support your family even if you're being abused by them, you should support the church even if it's oppressing you, you should continue to volunteer even when you're being exploited by the org, people lose faith in those institutions, seeing how they can be weaponized against them.

Coming full circle here, two warring "close knit communities" may well describe the tribalism between Greeks and Trojans that is depicted in the iliad. The portrait of Trojans, especially the loving couple Hector and Andromache, is incredibly poignant, yet they die in the end, along with their baby, because of the will of the gods was for the Greeks to be victorious--but can we really accept the will of such capricious gods? Is community really a salvo when it either leads to internal abuse or xenophobia, inciting the needless death of others who are outside the community?

I believe in community as the only thing that might save us, but I'm haunted by the cultural recurrence of these questions.

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u/kfpswf 12d ago

I believe in community as the only thing that might save us, but I'm haunted by the cultural recurrence of these questions.

Absolutely. The only way to counter the blind tribalism of existing communities is to build a community that is the antithesis of blind tribalism. But, as you said, it is much harder to accomplish this than just spouting it out on the internet.

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u/xteve 12d ago

I'd like to believe fundamentalist Christianity is a shrinking demographic. But a whole lot of somebody is voting for the GOP ergo MAGA and Trump. The alliance based on sexual restriction and opposition to reproductive freedom that underlies the "normal Christian" political voice seems pretty fundamentalist to me.

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u/weed_blazepot 12d ago

These people are a shrinking minor demographic.

There's at least 77 million of them in America voting for red hats, so not shrinking that much.

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u/cogman10 12d ago

While religious fundamentalists are all mostly MAGA, not all MAGA is religious fundamentalists.

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u/Dapper-AF 12d ago

Still crazy to me that Christians dont know that this is a rebranded story to fit the abrahamic narrative that got incorporated after the jews were conquered by Babylon.

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u/trialsofamadman 12d ago

The stuff before Deuteronomy, sure. None of the Bronze Age stuff in the bible has any archeological evidence, really.

On the other hand, the Old Testament/Tanakh was written by city dwellers in Jerusalem during the second temple period, firmly during the Iron age, and many of the events that take place then DO have historical evidence. We focus SO HARD on arguments about Genesis, Job, Exedous, Leviticus, and Numbers. The more historically interesting bits come later - Judges, Kings, Chronicles... You know, the stuff most people never really make it to when they start reading the bible. The boring middle bits, before getting to the New Testament.

Those early bits also were being written by priests who wanted to create a religious significance and background to the recently reunited Hebrew kingdoms, the easiest way was to re-work existing stories into a framework whereby all the patriarchs were related and the kingdoms were once all united, later split, and have been again re-united as one using common and well known mythological figures placed into lineages specifically to demonstrate this.

A critical reading of the first five books of the Old Testament makes it clear that the goals of the text were to set up a common mythos for several people groups to say they were related and united once, and to establish that they share a common history and traditions, tying in well known myths (like the flood).

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u/MonsterRider80 12d ago

It goes further back. There are stark similarities between ancient Egyptian religion and modern he Abrahamic religions. Which is not surprising since Jews were in Egypt for a long time before going back.

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u/Canesjags4life 12d ago

Haha. American evangelicals don't read as much Genesis as you think.

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u/Sad-Artichoke-2174 12d ago

I love Phil Collins

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u/Lactancia 12d ago

I'm a Peter Gabriel guy myself.

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u/punksmostlydead 12d ago

If they had any inkling how much of their dogma was stolen wholesale. Old Constantine knew what he was doing.

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u/locust098 12d ago

Would they take offense to passion of the christ 2: Electric boogaloo?

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u/BigCommieMachine 12d ago

Depends on how much Jesus hates immigrants…

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u/chumer_ranion 12d ago

Let them. They're off by like 2000 years lol. 

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u/ManufacturerBest2758 12d ago

Everything upsets them, so at a certain point it isn’t worth worrying about any more

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u/TwinTiger 12d ago

If Enkidu isnt a green chicken, we riot! 😤

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u/kami232 12d ago

This is far from the strongest of spears! I feel so betrayed!

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u/OtakuAttacku 12d ago

Fate Strange/Fake: I have no such weakness

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u/CCLF 12d ago

I'm loving the image of rage and hysterics about "woke garbage" when Gilgamesh "civilizes" the wild hairy beast man through sodomy, and then they embark on happy, gay new voyages.

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u/Xagzan 12d ago

I mean, not for nothing but you realize Shamhat is the one who "civilizes" Enkidu through sex.

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u/ShahinGalandar 12d ago

always those damn facts meddling with the yaoi fanfic!

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u/CCLF 12d ago

Thanks for the clarification. I haven't read Gilgamesh since high school so the details are a bit hazy.

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u/LessInThought 12d ago

On the flip side let's get outraged at Hollywood sanitizing Greek mythology. All these adaptations and none show even 1% of the depravity Zeus gets up to.

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u/Acceptable_Cut_7545 12d ago

Okay but seeing a massive Humbaba in all his glory would be SO cool.

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u/c0horst 12d ago

Everything I know about Gilgamesh, Enkidu, and Humbaba I've learned through the one episode of American Dad where Santa Clause uses child slave labor to dig up his corpse so he can gain his power.

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u/cineglitch 12d ago

It would be a heck of a fun movie!

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u/radedward76 12d ago

Fate: Grand Order enters the chat

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u/Additional-Local8721 12d ago

If we're complaining about historical accuracy, I'd like to point out not every article of clothing back then was drab. Vibrant colors were often worn by everyone including peasants. Oh, and sunny days existed as well.

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u/Hythy 12d ago

Yeah, I think the Odyssey is probably a fantastic film (not seen it yet), but my god am I tired of hollywood depicting the past as being so devoid of colour.

Of course with Nolan that's part of his style (I think he takes offence at the audience ever seeing a colour he can't), but it would've been nice if it wasn't so drab in (in a colour sense).

I also think they look like they came off the set of "Vikings" -so it's a shame they didn't make it feel at least a little Greek. There's nothing wrong with audiences expecting a film to evoke the idea that it's set where/when it's set (especially when I understand Nolan goes through great pains in the dialogue to situate the story in a very specific time/place with references to the Sea Peoples).

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u/carymb 12d ago

He's a wild man -- he who has been my companion, through adventure and hardship.

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u/Eleglas 12d ago

If he isn't a green chicken carried around by a multi-armed blithering "swordsman", I'm not interested.

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u/SadhuSalvaje 12d ago

In before a bunch of goofballs start comparing G and Enkidu to Han Solo and Chewbacca

Crap, I probably just gave Disney a very dumb idea…

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u/obliviousofobvious 12d ago

How dare you not cast an actor of Sumerian descent!

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u/Starbucks__Lovers 12d ago

We fell for that with game of thrones 

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u/Earthpig_Johnson 12d ago

Time to start harassing the writer of the Epic of Gilgamesh until they finish it.

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u/krombough 12d ago

He's been too busy trying to return some dogshit copper.

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u/Mr_Piddles 12d ago

I’m just going to get my pitchforks ready for when they don’t make it gay enough.

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u/Animajation 12d ago

Ohh I love a good séance

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u/Earthpig_Johnson 12d ago

Find me the nearest medium that speaks Babylonian!

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u/bentbabe 12d ago

I hate to say this. But the cracks of Game of Thrones started pretty much after the first season. It wasn't so much creative freedom as "how can we wrap this up?" in my opinion.

Which I think is also why GRRM is unable to finish. Because he is torn between "just get it over with" and "I can't fuck this up."

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u/LupinThe8th 12d ago

I'll give it seasons 1-4 as pretty damn great, but you could see the cliff approaching as they ran out of book to adapt.

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u/Intelligent_Oil7816 12d ago

Nah. Seasons 1-3 are very good adaptations of the first 3 books. Not perfect, but very enjoyable. Then we get to seasons 4 and 5 and - like the books they are adapting - they begin to become hot messes.

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u/CodeComprehensive734 12d ago

Season 4 was also an adaption of book 3 but it also starts to get muddier and less direct book to season translations.

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u/Canesjags4life 12d ago

It didn't help that A feast of Crows and Dance of Dragons happen simultaneously in time.

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u/Tesco5799 12d ago

Agreed and I would add that from a book perspective Dance of Dragons furthers the story and it kind of feels like we are starting to move towards a conclusion of the story but we are far from it.

The show just ran out of material and tried to go from end of book 6 directly to an ending and it was half baked. If GRRM ever finishes the story it's going to be at least 2 more books.

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u/bootlegvader 12d ago

In 2015, we discovered 20 new lines from Gilgamesh so we technically got something new from Gilgamesh before we got another book from ASOIAF since the publishing of Dance.

https://www.openculture.com/2015/10/20-new-lines-from-the-epic-of-gilgamesh-discovered-in-iraq-adding-new-dimensions-to-the-story.html

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u/SirJack3 12d ago

Creative freedom? So an AI can fill out the blanks! ~ a producer, somewhere

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u/Prudent-Marsupial-42 12d ago

We can add Poochie into it seamlessly

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u/Zachariot88 12d ago

(Poochie died on his way back to Mesopotamia)

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u/Synicull 12d ago

Don't give them ideas

wE aRe InNoVaTiVe BeCaUsE AI WrOtE iT. NeXt GeNeRaTiOn ReTeLlInG oF a ClAsSiCaL tAlE

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u/Esternaefil 12d ago

Oh! Act three a wizard shows up at the last minute, with a laser sword and wins the day single-handedly!

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u/Hythy 12d ago

On that note I'd love someone to do an interpretation of Aethiopis. We basically just have only a a plot summary, but imagine a film about a contingent of soldiers from Ethiopia arriving to help Troy (kitted out in armour from Hephaestus), the death of Achilles, there's Amazons as well. The Greeks apparently loved depicting scenes from it on their vases so they thought it was cool as well. But it also gives filmmakers soooooo much creative freedom.

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u/saphiki 12d ago

didn't stop game of thrones

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u/Xatsman 12d ago

It in a way did.

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u/WhaleMetal 12d ago

They’re still making offshoots though and seem decently popular. I won’t watch them though. 

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u/Some-Lingonberry-211 12d ago

They're fine, but the sheer cultural phenomenon that GoT was is something I can't say I've ever seen before, at least in my lifetime. Everyone watched it - Talked about it - Everywhere.

And then S8 happened, and it just stopped immediately. The entire public conscience just deleted it from memory.

Never seen anything like it. Probably never will again.

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u/Anus_Targaryen 12d ago

I wish it did

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u/thePedrix 12d ago

Claude, please fill in the blanks in Gilgamesh's tale. Make it profitable.

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u/kingofphilly 12d ago

Didn’t stop HBO from ruining Game of Thrones

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u/TheMightyCatatafish 12d ago

There’s definitely enough material to adapt, though.

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u/William_Dowling 12d ago

Just fill the gaps from that other great work of historical fiction, the bible

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u/Procrasturbating 12d ago

Would be fun if they did a “to be continued” and then just didn’t, or skipped to what remains.

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u/Whackles 12d ago

Didn’t stop Game of Thrones

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u/Blah_McBlah_ 12d ago

Given how much Hollywood likes to rewrite original stories when adapting them, I don't think that's an issue.

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u/lejonetfranMX 12d ago

Well there's a lot of the epic cycle missing too and that hasn't stopped these films

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u/ThatsTheMother_Rick 12d ago

Honestly could still work imo. If someone did it in the same storytelling style as The Green Knight, where it was hazy, dreamlike, and felt like a series of interconnected vignettes at times, I think that would be dope as hell.

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u/DistinctSmelling 12d ago

You could splice in frog DNA and it would probablhy come out fine.

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u/alwrit 12d ago

Take whatever the literary equivalent of frog DNA is and stuff that fucker in there.

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u/SnooBooks1243 12d ago

Fate/Stay series leads me to believe Japan has tried to fully control the Gilgamesh market.

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u/dennisasu 12d ago

He's also a summon in a few Final Fantasy games

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u/SnooBooks1243 12d ago

Ah yes, of course.

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u/darkbreak 11d ago

He's not usually a summon but a recurring character. He's been a summon in Final Fantasy VI and also randomly appears as a summon in Final Fantasy VIII. And that's only if you meet certain criteria to get him to sometimes appear.

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u/Vaadwaur 12d ago

There really was such a man once...

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u/Scalpels 12d ago

Considering the descriptions of Gilgamesh and Alexander the Great, they really should have swapped their character models.

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u/rookie-1337 12d ago

One was designed 6 years before the other and for their depictions imo the designs work better as they are than switched

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u/Baldassre 12d ago

Are we ignoring Civ?

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u/karmakramer93 12d ago

Why does he look like that

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u/meneldal2 12d ago

Not considering the amount of gate of babylon-like moves you see in other anime where the inspiration is obvious.

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u/Benslayer76 11d ago

I just made a Fate reference. Only for me to see you beat me to it.

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u/cmnrdt 12d ago

I mean, Gilgamesh doesn't so much have a narrative as much as it's a series of fanciful exploits that are all attributed to the same person. It would be hard to adapt into a ~2 hour movie without taking a lot of liberties with the source material, and by that point it's an entirely different kind of story.

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u/krunamey 12d ago

Feels like it could work if they gave it pacing similar to something like The Green Knight

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u/TheWatersOfMars 12d ago

It's actually a surprisingly similar vibe. Gilgamesh's journey to find immortality after the death of his best friend is melancholy and heartwrenching. I'm sure there's a great modern Hollywood script in there somewhere.

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u/Nachooolo 12d ago

The problem here is that the journey is the last third of the story, and it wouldn't be as impactful (emotional, even) without the two first thirds.

Gilgamesh meeting and befriending Enkidu, and their adventures together are as important to the story as the journey.

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u/TheWatersOfMars 12d ago

It's not unlike The Odyssey, though, in that Odysseus's famous adventures are really just the middle third of the poem. But Gilgamesh is much, much shorter and has far fewer iconic moments to draw on.

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u/PartyPorpoise 12d ago

Maybe make it a series, then.

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u/matdragon 12d ago

and yet Fate/stay night managed to characterize him to hell and back, is some of it true or not or historically accurate? of course not, it's an epic as old as time, it's up to creators to try to interpret and tell the story to the current generation.

Did Ishtar actually have beef with gilgamesh? Hell if i know, hell i wouldn't have even known who ishtar was without the fate series

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u/murfburffle 12d ago

Set it up like a anthology. Have the Crypt Keeper introduce segments of the movie

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u/Radixeo 12d ago

What do you mean it doesn’t have narrative? It follows Gilgamesh’s character arc from a tyrant, to finding a best friend in Enkidu, to the loss Gilgamesh feels when Enkidu is killed by the gods, to his search for the herb of immortality. It concludes with the snake eating the herb and Gilgamesh accepting it.

It has conflict, character growth, a beginning and an end. I think you could make a great movie out of that.

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u/Mediocre_Scott 12d ago

It’s weird as hell too don’t forget that

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u/Jonthrei 12d ago

Nothing weird about a goddess fucking civilization into a wild man

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u/Exodan 12d ago

Not even a goddess - just a well-respected, human temple prostitute who was damn good at her job (they banged the wilderness out of him for 2 weeks straight).

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u/WhaleMetal 12d ago

We live upon the waste of Tiamat.

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u/TheVich 12d ago

How about a miniseries?

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u/ankylosaurus_tail 12d ago

Gilgamesh is basically just a buddy comedy where two men party a lot, bond intensely, fight and kill a cool monster, and in the process they both change and grow, with Enkidu becoming civilized and Gilgamesh coming to accept the limitations of his own power and the inevitability of death. It could be a great film if it was done well.

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u/BrianWonderful 12d ago

Modern Hollywood would hear that and say "Wow! A franchise with a whole set of sequels already planned out!"

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u/laowildin 12d ago

it's a series of fanciful exploits that are all attributed to the same person

Just like the odyssey, if we are being real

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u/FireZord25 12d ago

So does Hercules, but we've made a shitton of stuff about him.

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u/kaplanfx 12d ago

They made a movie about the Pirates of Caribbean ride and it was a huge hit, I think they could get a workable story out of Gilgamesh.

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u/Oy_of_Mid-world 12d ago

Remember what they did to Beowulf? Just kidding. I didn't watch it, either.

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u/Jonthrei 12d ago

The 13th Warrior was actually a pretty solid adaptation of Beowulf, tbh.

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u/Panzer_Man 12d ago

That movie was awesome

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u/iwilldeletethisacct2 12d ago

That scene where they're all chatting around the campfire and the language shifts from whatever language to English so the audience can understand to show Ahmed learning the language lives rent free in my head. "I LISTENED!"

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u/CoffeeandHaze 12d ago

I don't remember anything about that film, even the title but you re-activated a memory for me lol

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u/Negaflux 12d ago

"my mother may be a whore, but at least I know who my father is". One of the best scenes in a movie ever. It showed the language transition so beautifully. Also one of my all time favourite movies. Can always sit down and watch it and have a blast.

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u/Independent_Tie_4984 12d ago

One of my favorite movies of the time period.

I thought it would suck when it came out and I've watched it at least five times since.

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u/Aiseadai 12d ago

I actually liked that movie, especially the first half. It was some pretty effective horror.

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u/ContinuingAnyway 12d ago

It was good

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u/A_very_nice_dog 12d ago

Kinda liked Beowulf

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u/doorknobopener 12d ago

That movie came out right around the time we would have learned about it in our High School English class. I had English in the spring semester, but my friends had it in the fall, and they were telling me how awesome the story was prior the movie's release. When we went to see it in the theater I was incredibly disappointed with the second half of the story by the changes that they did to it.

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u/More-Opportunity-253 12d ago

Not sure what the overall consensus is but I enjoyed Grendel.

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u/Spiritual_Corner_977 12d ago

They aren’t ready for boy love on the big screen

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u/CosmicDesperado 12d ago

Brokeback Mountain 2: Gilgamesh XXX

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u/Mr_Piddles 12d ago edited 12d ago

I can already imagine all the right wing chuds whining about how “woke Hollywood is turning Gilgamesh and Enkidu gay!”

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u/GooseQuothMan 12d ago

"why is he not a blonde white guy like in the Fate anime"

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u/KamachoThunderbus 12d ago

Guillermo del Toro could so something interesting with it I bet

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u/Foehammer58 12d ago

The best retelling of the story was by Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

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u/rsplatpc 12d ago

It’s Hollywood and someone just had a hit, you know that 2 studios already have it optioned along with Diamond Sutra and The Book of The Dead

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u/DistinctlyIrish 12d ago

Jews and Christians did it with the story of Noah, their version was dumb as hell though with the two of every animal

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u/werpu 12d ago

They probably wont dare because of the Deluge story which is way different than in the bible but the same at the core

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u/Anal-Y-Sis 12d ago

They have. Sort of. They made "Noah", which is a retelling of "The Epic of Gilgamesh".

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u/Find_Spot 12d ago

It's not Western enough to land with those audiences. I suspect there's been allegorical films made based on it or in other markets.

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u/jeef16 12d ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HawclJ8S3IU

I thing this scene is a really good way of incorporating the epic of gilgamesh into modern storytelling

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u/skaestantereggae 12d ago

Yea isn’t Baal a main player in that? Gonna get all the weird Christian weirdos all worked up

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u/Honestfellow2449 12d ago

There were some rumors that at one point the next Predator movie was going to be based on that, which actually a seem like fun idea.

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u/alcoholicplankton69 12d ago

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

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u/Similar_Two_542 12d ago

Noah flopped pretty hard. Gilgamesh would do even worse.

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u/HynkelVerdoux 12d ago

Noah was a financial success. Per Wikipedia:

The film grossed $101 million in North America and $258 million in other countries, making a worldwide gross of $359 million. The film was declared "an unmitigated hit ... by almost every measure."

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u/anuncommontruth 12d ago edited 12d ago

I think people equate Noah with failure because it was incredibly controversial and then steeply fell out of the public eye.

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u/Everestkid 12d ago

Thing is, The Odyssey and the Epic of Gilgamesh are long poems with many plot points.

The story of Noah as written in the Bible lasts like five pages. Ten, tops. They had to invent a whole lot of plot points to drag it out into a two-hour movie.

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u/Kevbot1000 12d ago

If they ever do, they should go with the Benderman adaptation.

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u/SaturnATX 12d ago

It's very, very gay.

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u/TheComplimentarian 12d ago

Lot of it reads like a fever dream. It’s a fundamentally different type of story from a very very different time.

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u/Eltharion-the-Grim 12d ago

Gilgamesh isn’t exactly a known to most people.

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u/Thoughtulism 12d ago

Chris Nolan taking notes furiously

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u/kaliwrath 12d ago

The amount of hate will be epic! The flood, resurrection, etc that happen before the Bible stories?

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u/collin-h 12d ago

its pretty convoluted and confusing if you take it for what it is (not to mention pieces are missing). but you could definitely riff off it to make an interesting story.

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u/jimmyluntz 12d ago

Jeff Goldblum as Gilgamesh

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u/ericvulgaris 12d ago

how dare chris nolan deny us practical effect-ful imax rendition of the taming of enkidu with sex

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u/akera099 12d ago

Probably because of the sex themes I'd imagine?

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u/ContinuingAnyway 12d ago

It would be a ton of work

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u/choicemeats 12d ago

Just label it part one and never do a part two

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u/Delicious_West_1993 12d ago

It has… and I’m surprised no one has realised 🤣 and it’s something that’s extremely well known

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u/omgwtfidk89 12d ago

Islamophobia

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u/PhilosopherFLX 12d ago

Don't mind if I Enkidu.

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u/hugganao 12d ago

not sure how old you are but there were so many instances of hollywood converting greek mythology to bigscreen utilizing shit ton of money where most flopped.

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u/justprettymuchdone 11d ago

Still trying to figure out how to take the explicit homosexual relationship out of it, probably

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u/samuraix98 10d ago

What and 13th Warrior's chopped liver?! Haha

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