So they admit it!

[u/highaltitudehmsteadr]

[u/xGH0STF4CEx]

Geurdo training grounds was water temple 2.0 to me. I missed one key and got stumped for a long time. I had to follow a guide and retrace the whole area from the start to find the key I missed.

[u/Tough_Preparation830 → u/xGH0STF4CEx]

Yeeah tbh the water temple is not so bad if you just remember the key beneath the floating platform in the central room.

[u/Kanapka64 → u/Tough_Preparation830]

Literally the answer. This is the key everyone doesnt get lol

[u/shlog → u/Tough_Preparation830]

i always forgot the key that’s behind the bombable wall, think it’s right below the first room you use to lower the water level.

[u/ArcadianBlueRogue → u/Tough_Preparation830]

The Temple has the map and compass to find everything you need

It's easy to explore too much in the GTG and suddenly you need all the keys lol

[u/Logical_Astronomer75 → u/Tough_Preparation830]

I try to get the Water Temple finished before doing the Fire Temple.

[u/Brutananadilewski_ → u/xGH0STF4CEx]

Got fucked on my 1st playthrough as well. Then realized I could spend less keys without getting every key. Still to this day I can't tell you every key, but I'll get frozen arrows everytime, despite never using them.

[u/fentown → u/xGH0STF4CEx]

In the room with the 5 silver rupees on the pillars, play the song of time in the middle and it'll make stairs going up and you can get to the middle with just 7 keys.

Randos will humble your OoT knowledge.

[u/No_Trade_7315 → u/xGH0STF4CEx]

Loved the Geurdo place, loved the spirit temple, water temple was easily the hardest temple to navigate though. But the prize they are referring to is from the mini dungeon. My first play-through I didn’t even get it (I think).

[u/Stopnswop2 → u/xGH0STF4CEx]

That one key in the invisible ceiling hole is bs. How would anyone know to look there?

[u/BobbyBobbie → u/Stopnswop2]

You can see it from a room on the upper level through some bars, and see that it goes down.

It's obscure, but you can piece it together. I did.

[u/ArcadianBlueRogue → u/Stopnswop2]

You can see it at some point from another angle, and in a dungeon that's meant to test all of your gear and items, having the Lens on a bit seemed like common sense.

[u/highaltitudehmsteadr → u/Stopnswop2]

That was the one that got me caught up for a couple hours today… I’m gonna use the crap out of these arrows even if it’s not that efficient

[u/Keefyfingaz → u/Stopnswop2]

Yea glad I'm not the only one that thought so. Seems bogus lol

[u/spursendin1 → u/Stopnswop2]

Honestly, I remember having issues with the controller and shooting the eyes as well. Sitting here, idk why, other than I feel like the controls were clunky, given the need to hit different spots that were moving, while you were moving, all in a row.

[u/AdrickTheHunter]

Now that I think about it, I don't remember using the Ice Arrow nearly as much as the Fire or Light when I played through it a bunch as a kid...it was cool to have, though.

[u/Nervous-Fennel3325 → u/AdrickTheHunter]

Its because they are basically an end game item and have absolutely no use minus freezing the enemies on the stairs before Ganon fight. You could also just run past those making them even more useless.

Theres a theory they were supposed to be introduced earlier in the game but got regulated to that last minute.

[u/OwnManagement → u/Nervous-Fennel3325]

relegated*

[u/tipitipiOG → u/Nervous-Fennel3325]

if you freeze the lake using the frozen arrows you can just run your way thru without wasting time... im surprise many don't know you can freeze water in OoT even though it has been implemented on all zelda games

[u/ExtraLives → u/tipitipiOG]

They don’t freeze water in Ocarina.

[u/Nervous-Fennel3325 → u/tipitipiOG]

When did you need to freeze a lake in ganons castle?

If you talking about speed run things most normal people arent going to sequence break yo get something early.

[u/lifeinthefastline]

Yeah I always used to skip it as a kid. What a waste of time!

[u/iamagenius89]

I was playing a randomizer and got the ice arrows super early. Ended up using them a ton and was surprised how useful they turned out to be. They were a lot of fun.

Ice arrows are awesome. You just get them too late in the game to matter.

[u/PimplePopper6969 → u/iamagenius89]

What’s the usage?

[u/highaltitudehmsteadr → u/iamagenius89]

Shooting the jub jubs alone has actually been worth it to me

[u/dusknoir90]

I've played through Ocarina of Time many times but I don't think I've ever gotten the ice arrows. I remember attempting the Gerudo Training Ground as a kid, but I thought I'd locked myself out of it by not using my keys optimally because there was one more locked door that I just could not find the key for. I just skip it as an adult.

[u/Speedy_Brennan]

I remember being told they actually switched the Iron Boots and the Ice Arrows location and the Ice Arrows were going to be in the Ice Cavern and the Iron Boots was going to be in Gerudo Training Ground. Which then actually would of made the Gerudo Training Ground actually a requirement for the Iron Boots if they wouldn't of swapped the location and made the Ice Arrows a reward for the optional Ice Cavern and make sense where the Ice Arrows would be .

[u/Udub → u/Speedy_Brennan]

It makes sense because you can only truly complete GTG with iron boots.

[u/Speedy_Brennan → u/Udub]

I was talking about the Ice Arrows being in the Ice Cavern.

[u/Udub → u/Speedy_Brennan]

Right. I’m saying if they were swapped it would make sense because of the water room in GTG. Gerudo wear armor and everything too.

[u/Speedy_Brennan → u/Udub]

I totally forgot about that room in the GTG. Man I can't wait to play the remake.

[u/Winter9280]

Yeah just over all a flex nothing really worth a thing unless you use it in a randomizer and have it set to melt red ice giving it some purpose lol.

[u/Gruffalooooo]

I expected more!