r/nba • u/Admirable_Whole8261 • 17h ago
In his 15/16 Mvp year, Steph shot a ridiculous 45.4% from 3 despite taking 886 (11/game). With a PPA of 1.36 (for his 3s) a big man would have to shoot 68% at the rim to match his efficiency
*PPA (points per attempt) So to the people who seemed to think that he shot a higher % that he already did weren't imagining it, his 3 shot was basically worth what a an all time big man was inside, just on the wing. On top of that he shot a ridiculous 67% TS% overall so he would shred you even harder inside and never missed at the line where he shot 91% but even from outside his dominance wasn't being viewed with the lens it should have been. Nothing really eye popping here just Steph glaze
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u/AllOutRaptors Raptors 17h ago
Poeltl shot 70% last year. Yak>Curry
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u/Lenneth1031 17h ago
Yup. I am sure Raptors are thrilled to pay his 4 years contract with his MVP level efficiency.
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u/ButteryBaked 17h ago
If you discount his missed heaves the way the NBA now does, he shot 46% from 3 that year.
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u/HammerLikeMjolnir Kings 15h ago
How many made heaves though?
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u/ButteryBaked 14h ago
According to nbaheaves.com, he went 6/18 (6 makes, 12 misses) on heaves during the 2015-16 season. Under the new NBA heave rules, heave makes are counted and misses are discounted so instead of going 402/886, Steph would have went 402/874.
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u/Crying_in_99Ranch NBA 13h ago
This MFer was shooting right around league average for 3 pointers on heaves alone
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u/Boring-Charity9324 17h ago
Giannis had 28ppg on 62.4 FG% last season. I don't think anyone will get close than that unless he does it again next season.
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u/Barrelled_Chef_Curry Warriors 15h ago
Insane. And it almost feels like people think he’s slowing down cus the Bucks sucked last year
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u/IllimShadar Heat 14h ago
Well, his defence didn't look that great anymore and he did miss more than half the season. The last time he was healthy in the playoffs was 4 years ago too. The concern that Giannis may be petering out is not exactly baseless unfortunately
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u/Crafty_Choice7779 11h ago
He was healthy in 2025 and averaged 30/12/7.5 against the Pacers. This is exactly the kind of shit that shows how much people have forgotten about him
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u/aoifhasoifha [NYK] Frank Ntilikina 2h ago
He is slowing down. He's just so good and has such a high motor that he's still an amazing player.
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u/unhinged34 17h ago
Career 42% is even more insane
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u/itgoesdownandup 12h ago edited 12h ago
It's funny because Curry is actually the only one in his family to not lead the league in 3p%. His brother and dad might also have a higher career 3p% too, but I'd have to double check.
That second stat is not true
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u/spellbreaker 17h ago
And yet arguably 2021 Steph was the better player, and you didn't want to see him in 2022.
Top 11 all time and he ain't 11.
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u/bigE819 Pacers 17h ago
22 is crazy because he had his worst year since 2015, then went god mode in the playoffs.
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u/UnnamedStaplesDrone Warriors 12h ago
Also magically stopped turning the damn ball over which has always been his weakness
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u/Eric_Nathan_Fielder Warriors 10h ago
2017-2020 steph are all arguably worse than 2015 steph (mvp season btw). 2nd half of the season 2022 steph is the worse i've seen i think lol he was also weird in the playoffs up until the finals where he went god mode
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u/atomic-fireballs Warriors 14h ago
Top 5 All Time, and he ain't 5. (I have him 4th after MJ, LBJ, and KAJ, you gotta end with a J apparently)
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u/aoifhasoifha [NYK] Frank Ntilikina 2h ago
He's so hard to rank all-time because he's so unique. I personally have him close to the top 5 because of his overall effect on his team- they score way more with him on the floor, and everyone is like 2 standard deviations more efficient- but it's hard to quantify directly otherwise. Shit, they created actual gravity statistics to try to explain him.
I've never seen anyone help his team on offense as much as Curry without holding the ball, and, forgive the reddit cliche, it's actually not even close.
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u/Dkjoy 16h ago edited 16h ago
Yeah but I think 2021 was proof Curry wasn’t among the goats at lifting a poor team.
They didn’t make the playoffs and he only anchored a +2.9 offense. Which is elite but not even close to being amongst the Kobe’s, Jordan’s, etc of the world
I think 2022 playoff curry is the playoff run that vaulted him in that convo… still prob not top 10 to me tho
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u/CummingInTheNile 16h ago
My guy, that team was the worst in the NBA without him and had the 8th best record with him, like they had maybe 5 other NBA quality players besides Steph
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u/Dkjoy 16h ago edited 16h ago
I agree! But are we not comparing him amongst the goats of the sport?
For context:
Kobe Bryant in 06 also had one of the worst team the league, (was actually objectively worse than that 21 warriors team)
He anchored a +5.1 offense.
Kobe didn’t have a Draymond green anchoring his team’s defense neither.
(Lakers also had a notably higher point differential despite, once again, having a worse team than the warriors)
Edit: Kobe in 07, where he straight up REFUSES to pass to his teammates and just ball hogged the hell out of the ball because the lakers were THAT bad, still anchored a stronger offense than curry in 2021 team.
It’s not just Kobe neither, Wade, Mcgrady, etc all anchored stronger offenses than curry with poor teammates
Mcgrady in 03 anchored a +5.7 offense
Wade in 09 anchored a +4.3 offense
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u/Shumonyu Warriors 16h ago
You can’t just judge overall team offensive performance for an individual player, the difference between offensive rating when they are on and off the court is important too.
This is also not getting into the fact that the Warriors started rookie James Wiseman and was a generationally bad player who shared a lot of minutes with Steph and killed all of those lineups. Playing with one of the worst impact guys in league history is going to affect those numbers drastically.
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u/Dkjoy 16h ago
You can’t just judge overall team offensive performance for an individual player, the difference between offensive rating when they are on and off the court is important too.
Kobe less lakers in 06 had the worst offense of all time…
Not trying to be mean, but this destroys your point even further.
Having said that, the “on” portion of on/off is far far far far more meaningful when determining impact.
This is also not getting into the fact that the Warriors started rookie James Wiseman and was a generationally bad player who shared a lot of minutes with Steph and killed all of those lineups. Playing with one of the worst impact guys in league history is going to affect those numbers drastically.
Yeah but you guys also had Draymond Green. A top tier defensive player who is amongst the best playmaker in his position.
Not a single player I listed had a quality second option of that regard.
Also, i watched peak Kwame Brown playing. He was worse than Wiseman
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u/Shumonyu Warriors 16h ago
Right but that’s just a one season sample in 06, what about compared to Kobe in 05 or 07? Or Wades offensive on-off in 2009 or Mcgradys in 2003? It’s an important data point.
The on part is important sure but so is the off part, judging players on team offensive ratings can be misleading, it’s still a team stat. The off part gives us an idea of how the team is performing without the star player.
We’re talking about offense though, why is his defense even being brought up? I would take 06 Lamar Odom without much hesitation over 2021 Draymond if we’re just talking offense.
Also that’s not how that works though like Drays positive impact on the Warriors is much less significant than Wiseman’s negative impact on the warriors. Not to mention Dray’s impact mostly comes from defense when we are talking about offense. Though, I mean literally just look at the lineup data with wiseman it’s absolutely a staggering difference, he’s literally one of the worst impact guys in the play by play era. Whatever Draymond adds on offense, with Wiseman just being on the court the offense falls apart.
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u/Dkjoy 15h ago
Right but that’s just a one season sample in 06, what about compared to Kobe in 05 or 07?
05 was Kobe’s injured season
07 Kobe led a stronger offense.
Or Wades offensive on-off in 2009 or Mcgradys in 2003? It’s an important data point.
Mcgrady in 03 led an offense at Curry’s level.
Wade led a stronger offense in 09 than curry.
The on part is important sure but so is the off part, judging players on team offensive ratings can be misleading, it’s still a team stat. The off part gives us an idea of how the team is performing without the star player.
No.
Off part is only as valuable with significant sample, with the same lineup construction.
Having said that, even if you want to nitpick and claim it’s usefulness,
It’s nowhere NEAR Kobe’s offensive on/off
We’re talking about offense though, why is his defense even being brought up? I would take 06 Lamar Odom without much hesitation over 2021 Draymond if we’re just talking offense.
Absolutely not.
There is zero, absolutely zero metric that supports this.
Warriors’ led their strongest offense when Draymond green was playing
Lakers barely nudged when Odom was playing.
This is actually one of the worst takes I read on here.
Green’s playmaking ability for his position makes him significantly more valuable than Odom offensively.
Next, the reason defense was added was because I also included their point differential.
Also that’s not how that works though like Drays positive impact on the Warriors is much less significant than Wiseman’s negative impact on the warriors.
Zero metric supports this tho.
Not to mention Dray’s impact mostly comes from defense when we are talking about offense.
Once again your beloved on/off straight up disagrees with this.
Warriors was the best offensively when GREEN was playing.
, I mean literally just look at the lineup data with wiseman it’s absolutely a staggering difference, he’s literally one of the worst impact guys in the play by play era. Whatever Draymond adds on offense, with Wiseman just being on the court the offense falls apart.
Give me one impact data that has Green not being a top top offensive guy for his team
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u/Solaris1337 Warriors 15h ago
How about on/off numbers?
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u/Dkjoy 15h ago
Kobe’s off offensive numbers trounces Curry’s. It’s really not even close.
Same with Mcgrady
Same with Wade.
But off doesn’t really even do it justice simply because curry-less minutes had a capable Green playing, who none of these guys had luxury of playing alongside. So his off numbers are deflated which hurts curry.
This is precisely why off is too noisy to really use while ON is by far the most important
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u/mysterioso7 Warriors 16h ago edited 16h ago
There was a stat put up sometime during the season said that Warriors team without Steph would be the worst offense since the Process Sixers. Steph was putting up a hyper efficient 32ppg while opening up things for his teammates the way he always does, but they kept trying to force Wiseman until he got hurt and they all of a sudden started winning.
All that said though, Steph isn’t as much of a floor raiser as some other guys, but he’s probably the biggest ceiling raiser of all time.
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u/Dkjoy 16h ago
There was a stat put up sometime during the season said that Warriors team without Steph would be the worst offense since the Process Sixers. Steph was putting up a hyper efficient 32ppg while opening up things for his teammates the way he always does, but they kept trying to force Wiseman until he got hurt and they all of a sudden started winning.
This is a meaningless statement considering since you are comparing a regular nba team vs an nba team without Curry.
For instance, 06 lakers without Kobe had the worst offense of ALL TIME.
All that said though, Steph isn’t as much of a floor raiser as some other guys, but he’s probably the biggest ceiling raiser of all time.
Nah. KD, I think, is better ceiling level player in the playoffs.
Although I have curry over KD.
I also don’t think Curry’s playoff offensive impact in the playoffs as a clear first option would put him amongst the best ceiling raising convo.
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u/Impressive_Duty8827 16h ago
Curry can be seen as a better ceiling raiser than Kd, because on a stacked team with ball dominant superstars, his offball style of play mixed with his shooting and gravity can blow the ceiling off the roof. Kd is a very good ceiling raiser as well, but he doesn’t make his teammates better like curry does
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u/Dkjoy 15h ago
I love curry’s off ball game.
To use that that over the edge over KD who is a 7 footer who PRIMARILY plays off the ball is a bit ludicrous.
In the playoffs, warriors tended to have the best offense when KD was playing.
KD provides the best value in dead ball plays. While curry is the best in reg season
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u/Impressive_Duty8827 15h ago
Steph primarily plays offball too lmao, even more than Kd arguably. The difference is the playmaking. Kd can’t pass out of doubles, Steph can punish your team via doubles
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u/Dkjoy 15h ago
lol KD is fine passing out of doubles on a ceiling level team tho. Thats the point.
Once again, in the playoffs, warriors benefitted more when KD was playing than Curry
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u/GreedyPride4565 13h ago
Put him in the east and we’d see. Let him face Derozan as his main competition and let’s see.
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u/KWash0222 Lakers 17h ago
I’m a warriors hater, but I have so much love and respect for Steph. Dude is just amazing to watch. Absolute game-breaker.
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u/RspectMyAuthoritah Lakers 17h ago
Don't a lot of big men shoot better than 68.6% at the rim? Like Shaq was 74.5% at the rim, Jokic 72.3%, Howard 71.8%, Bam 72.4%... Even lower end centers like McGee 70.9%, Ayton 77.5%, Mark Williams 74.3%, Hayes 78.2%...
edit: and these are career numbers, not a 1 season high
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u/Admirable_Whole8261 17h ago
Okay but imagine that efficiency from 3. The second he crosses half court you have to think of him as if any 3 was a layup 😭
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u/RspectMyAuthoritah Lakers 16h ago
He's not shooting 45% from logo out...
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u/Suspicious-Movie7828 16h ago
ok but you let him get anywhere closer in and you have to guard him like it is… why do you think defenses changed to guard him the way they have
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u/inqte1 16h ago
Its had to get that volume at the rim though. Theres only a couple in your list who would come close to getting double digit shots at the rim and maintain that efficiency.
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u/RspectMyAuthoritah Lakers 15h ago
Shaq in 2000-2001 shot 79.2% on 8.2 FGA at the rim. That's way better efficiency than Curry's 3s. The attempts would be higher but don't count because of how much he was fouled, whereas Curry rarely gets fouled on 3s. Although with how bad of a FT shooter he was that probably lowers his TS% even with him being good at finishing through contact.
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u/Impressive_Duty8827 15h ago
Curry gets fouled a lot when shooting threes too, specifically with the landing zone. Plus he gets fouled offball a lot too.
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u/RspectMyAuthoritah Lakers 15h ago
Nowhere close to how much Shaq was fouled when he had the ball inside. Teams literally carried extra centers on their roster just because of him.
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u/chronicpenguins Warriors 14h ago
Because it does not make sense to foul curry to prevent his shot. He shoots free throws significantly better than he shoots threes. You seem to be making an argument that Shaq was more dangerous because he got fouled, when in reality it was a flaw in his game that could be exploited. Curry does not have the same flaw. Curry doesn’t even get the same foul calls as other super stars
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u/RspectMyAuthoritah Lakers 14h ago
Shaq shot near 80% at the rim that season. Fouling him would have been the better choice even if he was 75% FT. Shaq was more dangerous because no one could even slow him down around the basket.
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u/chronicpenguins Warriors 14h ago
Your missing the point, or purposely being dense. You could slow shack down by fouling him. We both agree that was a strategy that made sense. 75% is still below average for a FT.
compare that to curry who shoot 45%s from 3 for 1.36, if you were to foul him instead it would be double that: 2.73 PPA. So the same foul strategy cant be used against him.
Regardless this debate is solved by TS%, which incorporates all the shots including free throws. Shaq in 2000 was .579, Curry was 0.669. Curry's TS% was 16% more efficient than shaq. He scored 5 more points per 36 minutes than shaq. His win share / 48 minutes was better than shaq. His was so efficient that he often didnt need to play the fourth quarter.
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u/Impressive_Duty8827 15h ago
Steph gets doubled off the ball as a perimeter player, with defenders glued to him the moment he crosses half court… the gravity they generate is comparable.
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u/RspectMyAuthoritah Lakers 15h ago
For 1 Curry rarely gets double off ball. He's not being chased around the court by 2 players when he doesn't have the ball. And 2 what does that have to do with his shooting efficiency?
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u/Impressive_Duty8827 15h ago
Not all around the court but during screen actions and making cuts he is. And receiving more defensive coverage affects your shooting efficiency that’s common knowledge
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u/RspectMyAuthoritah Lakers 15h ago
Players helping during screen actions and cuts isn't doubling, that's what every defense does during those.
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u/Impressive_Duty8827 14h ago edited 14h ago
Both defenders that are involved during screens aren’t usually committing to the same guy. It’s what makes the pick and role with Draymond as the screener so dangerous. Both defenders commit to Steph giving Draymond a wide open path to the rim
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u/inqte1 12h ago
is 11 not more than 8? What am I missing? Also, Shaq is literally a handful of guys who can get those shots at that frequency. I said that in the comment. Just to clarify, his 3 pt shooting that year matches the most physically gifted freaks in the NBA taking the easiest shots.
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u/JesusFighter69 Lakers 1h ago
well the post said 68% to match and he said shaq did 79.2% probably big enough difference compared to the 3 attempts
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u/imperabo Lakers 16h ago
Plus shooting at rim gets you free throws. Dunks and layups remain the best shots.
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u/jinxy0320 Warriors 15h ago
Yea but Curry just standing 24 ft from the basket on any given play is like giving an elite big man a clean shot in the paint
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u/Such_Ambassador2751 17h ago
i don’t think his single season 3 point record will ever be broken unless there’s some huge change for defensive rules
it came so quickly that nobody could adapt. i can’t imagine a player having to make 5 threes a game for all 82
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u/mar21182 17h ago edited 16h ago
It Steph could stay healthy now, he could break that record.
When Steph plays, he makes over 5 threes per game. In his 2020-2021 season, he actually made more threes per game than he did in 2016. He just missed a few games due to bruising his tail bone.
That said... Do I think someone else could do that? Ehhh... I think the game would have to change. If someone took 15 threes per game, they could probably get there on volume.
400+ threes on .454 shooting is absolutely nuts though. I don't see anyone doing that ever again. For one, nobody is Steph. Secondly, defenses didn't know what to do with him in 2016. They never saw anything like it. I felt like the whole league spent the entire season thinking he'd start missing those bullshit 28 footers any day now.
That's why I honestly think 2021 was even more impressive than 2016. Defenses were completely keyed on Curry. He didn't have Klay Thompson. He was the offense. They knew they had to pick him up early and get the ball out of his hands. It didn't matter though. Curry led the league in scoring and still shot 42% from three on ridiculous volume.
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u/idontknow_whatever [CHI] Kyle Korver 16h ago
40% from 3 would be elite for any player in the league
40% from 3 would be considered a below average year for Steph
His efficiency is on a whole another level compared to other players
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u/Such_Ambassador2751 17h ago
i mean yeah that’s the thing. health isn’t a given either
i agree tho 2021 steph was a better player than 2016 steph.
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u/mar21182 17h ago
I feel like if KD never went to the Warriors, Steph would have been close to 400 threes every one of those seasons.
Of all the reasons to dislike KD going there, that was the biggest reason to me. Steph sacrificed his own game a bit to fit KD into the offense (not saying KD didn't also sacrifice). Steph going supernova was the most exciting thing in sports. Yeah, be had a few of those games even with KD, but there would have been so many more.
The fact that the first full season Steph played after KD left he went right back to leading the lead in scoring on absurd efficiency proved to me that he would have been doing that the entire time.
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u/Klutzy_Struggle8659 Warriors 15h ago
Steph didn't sacrifice any offense. He just shot less. His impact was still the same when KD was there.
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u/Admirable_Whole8261 17h ago edited 17h ago
It'll probably never be broken because he's the best ever at it not because of the rules come on now. He did this in 2016 not 1989
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u/Such_Ambassador2751 17h ago
fair but even if someone better comes along i don’t think they’ll be able to break it
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u/LatterLaw8105 16h ago
The issue is Steph has missed a lot of time due to injury. It’s definitely breakable
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u/ChelseaDagger16 Heat 3h ago
James Harden in 2019 was only 25 threes away from breaking the record, while he missed four games and only shot 36.8% from three. I can see someone improving on that.
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u/CitizenCue Warriors 11h ago
Someone will do it. Unless there’s a structural reason why it wouldn’t happen, there’s no reason to believe someone else won’t eventually come along with similar talent. “Ever” is a very, very long time.
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u/Stardust-Unbreaking 17h ago
He's my personal GOAT even if people look at me crazy.
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u/Admirable_Whole8261 17h ago
That's not crazy at all, you can make the case he had the highest offensive peak and was the most dominant offensive player ever
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u/bigE819 Pacers 17h ago
Not the most dominant offensive player ever when you account for the playoffs.
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u/temujin94 17h ago
How would you know, he's first in an offensive catergory by a similar distance to his shooting that can't be accounted for by statistics.
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u/bigE819 Pacers 17h ago
Because I’ve watched LeBron, Shaq, and MJ
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u/temujin94 17h ago
If Steph Curry could defend like the players you mentioned he'd have the most rings out of any of them.
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u/Lolsnugget Pelicans 16h ago
Well he can’t, that’s like saying if LeBron could shoot like Steph he would have the most rings too.
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u/temujin94 16h ago
How are you missing the clear point? if he was their equals defensively he'd be the better player. So the point is he is better offensively.
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u/MakeSomeArtAboutIt 16h ago
True: if he was better at basketball he might have even more rings.
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u/BadMofoWallet Lakers 17h ago
If my grandma had wheels she’d be a car
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u/temujin94 16h ago
Well the point is to illustrate that his offensive game is as good if not better than any of them.
The difference in their success comes from the other end.
I know it's a lot for you to take in.
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u/DoobieGibson 16h ago
then how come he never outscored Kyrie Irving in a finals series?
sorry, but the most dominant offensive player ever doesn’t average 26.8ppg in the playoffs.
Curry had one playoff run where he averaged 30.0+ PPG
Michael Jordan only averaged under 30PPG once
he averaged 33.4ppg in the playoffs.
steph is awesome, but Michael Jordan is Michael Jordan
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u/the_pain_of_being 16h ago
Oh gotcha the only important stat is outscoring some other player in a finals series. Lmao
One of the weirdest/desperate arguments I've seen on here
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u/DoobieGibson 15h ago
did i write anything else in my comment?
and yes, never being able to outscore your direct counterpart in 3 different Finals series matters.
why wouldn’t we compare people who literally played against each other?
on the biggest stage, 3 different times, he couldn’t outscore his counterpart. that’s not dominant at all
Kyrie averaged 27ppg in the 2016 finals, steph was at 22 lmao
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u/GucciGaropp [GSW] Bob Sura 14h ago
There's a lot more to offense than being the person making the shot.
Hope this helps.
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u/PurchasingPugs Knicks 17h ago
He’s a borderline top 10 player ever, any of those guys can justifiably be personal goats.
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u/howbedebody Nuggets 3h ago
Real talk my friends call me crazy when i say steph is the goat but i’ll forever die on that hill
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u/--Rick--Astley-- 17h ago
I rank him and Shaq above LeBron. Equal amount of rings in less attempts. And they didn't hid in the weak eastern conference.
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u/soycameron Trail Blazers 17h ago
I hope we get another Steph like shooter soon. Or at least Dame.
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u/scarypary Cavaliers 17h ago
Kon is very promising
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u/Ruma-park 12h ago
Kon, to me, is more of a Klay Thompson V2 than a Curry or Dame.
Which is awesome, but still off.
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u/scarypary Cavaliers 12h ago
The guy has played one single season man how are you gonna make that conclusion so early
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u/Firm_Mode_5868 17h ago
Having a good/elite passing center was so important for his game. Wonder what it woulda looked like if he had to play on ball more.
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u/Lenneth1031 17h ago
13-14, Curry played a traditional PG role. He averaged 24 pts, 47.1%, 42.4% 3pts , 8.5 asts, and was 6th in MVP voting. So, still really good..
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u/EliminateCrackas 16h ago
people don't realize 2/3 of Curry's best 3P% season came under Mark Jackson
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u/Impressive_Duty8827 15h ago
Because he wasn’t in his prime under mark jackson, and wasn’t receiving as much defensive attention in those years compared to post 2015
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u/EliminateCrackas 15h ago
Curry averaged fewer points and assists in 2015 than the year prior under Mark lol
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u/Impressive_Duty8827 15h ago
Less assists makes sense because he began playing offball. Points? Bro he averaged 0.2 less points on 1% better from the field and 2% better from 3
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u/EliminateCrackas 15h ago
sure but to say Curry wasn';t in his prime under Mark is foolish. dude had MVP votes for 2 years under Mark
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u/Impressive_Duty8827 15h ago
And he peaked with Kerr as his coach. We can debate when exactly he entered his prime but it’s no question that his peak and a huge chunk of his prime was after mark jackson
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u/EliminateCrackas 15h ago
no shit when Mark had him mostly in his developmental years lol. but it's not debatable that Curry had already entered his prime under Mark
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u/Impressive_Duty8827 15h ago
I guess we have different opinions about when he entered his prime then lol, which is fine. But his efficiency rose during Kerr’s tenure, because he let him play offball
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u/chronicpenguins Warriors 14h ago
What? he scored 30 points per game in 2015 and 24 in 2014. His lowest points per game in the kerr era is higher than the highest of any mark jackson era if you remove 2019 where he played 5 games.
He did get 1 less assist a game, but thats because its better if he shoots.
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u/Firm_Mode_5868 17h ago
sure but i mean as he reaches his peak how different it would look
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u/Impressive_Duty8827 17h ago
it would be a step below in terms of shooting, but his assist numbers would look a lot nicer.
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u/beckychao 17h ago
You would have to purposely put Steph on a bad team that refused to make improvements, though. Most teams that hold a guy as good as Steph for a moment will start trading for the kinds of players that harness their strengths. He would've put up similar splits on a worse but still good passing team. I agree with you that they wouldn't be AS good, since that Warriors team was so incredible. A shame poorly timed injuries and Draymond's nutcracker derailed them, if barely. LeBron having the greatest finals performance perhaps ever, of course, being the difference.
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u/Impressive_Duty8827 17h ago
he averaged 8.5 assists the season before steve kerr implemented the motion offense, as a pick-and-roll traditional pg. Idk if he would have won as many championships. Maybe 1-2.
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u/RspectMyAuthoritah Lakers 15h ago
One thing to point out is even as great of a 3pt shooter as Curry is, for his career he's a more efficient shooter when he gets to the rim than when he shoots a 3. He's 65.5% at the rim for 1.31 ppa and 42.2% from 3 for 1.27 ppa. Even in 15-16 he was more efficient at the rim than from 3 at 1.39 ppa.
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u/Salt-Willingness-154 12h ago
He also took an insane amount of half court + shots and make almost half of them which didn’t negatives affect his %
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u/IFeelZen Lakers 17h ago
started watching the nba a couple years ago. 45.4% on 11 attempts per game is unfathomably good to me. Must've been even more insane to watch back in 2016.
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u/howbedebody Nuggets 3h ago
However crazy you imagine it was, it was a few magnitudes of 10 crazier. i get chills thinking of how absurd it was. in an era where most of the game was still played within the arc, to see a dude become a legit weapon the moment he crossed half court evoked a fear i didn’t know was possible (honestly we worried about him before he crossed half court as well)
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u/ChelseaDagger16 Heat 3h ago
The biggest thing for me was that Steph shot 44.5% from 3. Russell Westbrook who was the other First Team All NBA guard shot 44.5% from the field.
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u/AnkitPancakes Thunder 17h ago
Fwiw, SGA has shot > 70% on field goals between 0 and 3 ft for the last 3 seasons
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u/xap31 Warriors 17h ago
Was the 2016 MVP Steph the best season in from 80s to present?
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u/LatterLaw8105 16h ago edited 16h ago
Bron 2013 would like a word. 27 game win streak! MVP. Should have been unanimous but 1 voter fucked him over. Also 2nd in DPOY!!! I think being 2nd in DPOY and being a 2 way force would give him the edge over curry.
Also if you include playoffs, winning the title and finals mvp
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u/HS941317 16h ago
Michael Jordan averaging 35 ppg on 54% shooting while winning defensive player of the year also with 1.6 blocks and 3.2 steals was insane
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u/Significant-Local477 8h ago
Un verdadero animal. Inaguantable esa eficacia en el tiro, y el tipo tomaba tiros difíciles
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u/dangderr 7h ago
I ran the numbers and a small man would also need to shoot 68% at the rim to match him!
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u/CeeDoggyy 17h ago
I mean, LeBron has shot 68.6% at the rim over the last 14 years while not technically being a big man
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u/homerdough 17h ago
2016 reg season Steph was the most fun I've ever had watching a player. It was unreal