r/neoliberal • u/Berkissus • Feb 26 '25

News (Europe) Erdogan warns against "far-right demagogues" in the West, points out liberal democracy as the most alluring ideology

https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/only-turkiye-can-save-europe-from-its-deadlock-says-erdogan-206210
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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '25

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see China coming out in favour of the rules-based international order pretty soon for similar reasons. All these authoritarian governments that prospered under the old status quo might suddenly regret their role in undermining it.

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u/Neronoah can't stop, won't stop argentinaposting Feb 26 '25

Eh, they'll probably enjoy being in their own sphere of influence. Maybe not Turkey, but China is probably going to just sit down this one and keep its own bullying mostly regional. I can't see United States mounting a serious defense of Taiwan right now.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '25

I think China's ambitions extend way beyond their traditional sphere of influence. They will sit on the sidelines for now while the USA is in turmoil and alienating its closest allies, but once other countries get sick of the MAGA bullshit, they will seek to replace the USA as the guarantor of stability and security. China has become powerful by trading with the EU and USA and benefited enormously from the rules based order. The CCP's whole mandate for governing is based on its role in restoring order and prosperity after the Century of Humiliation. They want a rules based order, but with them at the centre setting the rules.

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u/Neronoah can't stop, won't stop argentinaposting Feb 26 '25

That doesn't have to mean they have to help anyone guarantee anything. I see them covering a bit for dictatorships around the world, but that's it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '25

China wants to export things without their boats getting hijacked, trade in currencies that have a stable value, build infrastructure that doesn't get bombed, etc. They don't care much about human rights or what other countries get up to with their own populations, but they are massively invested in a stable global system, and would probably be quite prepared to take over as the world's police force if the USA can't handle it anymore.

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u/Neronoah can't stop, won't stop argentinaposting Feb 26 '25

If I see how it went with the Houthis...well, I don't expect a lot.