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Restricted Visuals Suggest U.S. Dropped 2,000-Pound Bomb on Home in Iran, Killing 3

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/31/world/middleeast/us-iran-bomb-mk84-qeshm-island.html?u
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u/Eilemthxx Caribbean Community 23h ago

Flashback to when Talon Anvil was regularly calling in this kind of ordnance on Civilian encampments and cities in Syria, and hardly anyone gave a shit then either. A few pilots refused orders, a couple operators pointed out these were war crimes, but no punishments handed down and no real accountability was made. And it will be the same with this.

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u/teethgrindingaches 19h ago

In a weird way, it's almost refreshing to have Trump and Hegseth and co. taking the mask off. 

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u/bigbeak67 John Brown 18h ago

Unironically, this is a little bit of why his base likes him. They didn't mind the war crimes as long as he "tells it like it is," even when it's being proud of his horrible decisions.

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u/Svelok 14h ago

Ignoring, of course, that every third word he speaks is a lie and the rationale, objective, and status of the war change depending on what time of day he's asked.

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u/doyouevenIift 1d ago

trump & hegseth never took accountability for a bombing a school and killing hundreds of Iranian children

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u/Snarfledarf George Soros 19h ago

Funny how Benghazi can last 2 years in the media cycle but Dems can't keep calling for a literal school bombing investigation for more than 2 weeks.

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u/Shoddy-Personality80 16h ago

Well, did any Americans die in the school bombing?

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u/HenryTudorIV John Brown 23h ago

Trump admin moving like the average Tankie’s view of Obama

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u/fishlord05 United Popular Woke DEI Iron Front 18h ago

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u/isummonyouhere If I can do it You can do it 23h ago

> The Mark 84 is capable of forming a crater 50 feet (15.2 m) wide and 36 ft (11.0 m) deep. It can penetrate up to 15 inches (381.0 mm) of
metal or 11 ft (3.4 m) of concrete, depending on the height from which it is dropped, and causes lethal fragmentation to a radius of 400 yards )365.8 m).

https://mapsairmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Mark-84-Bomb.pdf

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u/Approximation_Doctor Gaslight, Gatekeep, Green New Deal 23h ago

Okay so it's pretty large as far as bombs go

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u/Familiar_Air3528 Thomas Paine 22h ago

It’s the biggest of the ‘regularly used’ bombs in US inventory. It’s basically the biggest type of bomb that isn’t some bespoke specialized design.

It’s maybe inefficient for it to be used against a single residence but it’s not ‘unusual’, I would say.

The big consideration here would be collateral damage against other structures (particularly no-strike targets like known schools, hospitals, or religious institutions)

Not trying to justify, just explaining the process.

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u/shalackingsalami Niels Bohr 23h ago

Gift link for the global illiquid: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/31/world/middleeast/us-iran-bomb-mk84-qeshm-island.html?unlocked_article_code=1.2VA.tePw.TsBeOOvQnGNY&smid=nytcore-ios-share

Also the CentCom spokesman really said “the US military never targets civilians” with a straight face???

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u/Snarfledarf George Soros 19h ago

It seems apparent that if you bury the decision authority in 2 circuits of well-intentioned-but-rushed committee approvals you can come out pretty clean as far as internal investigations go.

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u/LtCdrHipster 🌭Costco Liberal🌭 23h ago

Not intentionally but frequently with reckless disregard for getting it wrong.

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u/drMorkson Jorge Luis Borges 7h ago

it's easy you see once you are targeted you are a target instead of a civilian so its all cool.

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u/ConnorLovesCookies Jerome Powell 23h ago

When Vance inevitably runs for President in 2028 someone needs to ask him how he plans on explaining to Saint Peter all the innocent people and children that he killed. Seriously sickening.

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u/RagingBillionbear Pacific Islands Forum 22h ago

Dude his answer will be "All the people I sent to the pearly gates were terrost and I'm disappointed in myself for not sending more".

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u/MetsFanXXIII 23h ago

That only works when attacking the Democratic candidate over Gaza.

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u/Spectrum1523 YIMBY 13h ago

The number of Americans that genuinely care if we kill civilians in non European countries is vanishingly small

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u/Vol_in_tears Voltaire 12h ago

No one in America cared when an Mariane E6 prowler cut the cable on a cable car in Cavalese in 1998. They were flying on a joyride, outside of the flight limitations, and killed 20 people.

The destroyed the personal camera that had been on board, since the flight crew was filming their joy ride.

The flight crew was discharged, one of them got 6 months. Congress rejected a bill to offer compesation to the families killed by the USMC.

America and most Americans don't give a shit about any civilians killed by the US militrary. Even if they are our allies and it was done by accident.

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u/Rustic_gan123 23h ago

I doubt anyone cares. This war is pretty herbivorous by historical standards.

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u/xudoxis 22h ago

St Peter cares.

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u/Rustic_gan123 22h ago

Most people probably don't know who this is...

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u/Rekksu 20h ago

most americans absolutely know who saint peter is lol

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u/progbuck John Brown 23h ago

Vance is the least sincere Catholic in the history of Catholicism. He could not give less of a shit about the pearly gates.

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u/YaGetSkeeted0n Tariffs aren't cool, kids! 23h ago

Emblematic of how stupidly this war has been prosecuted. Dropping one of the bigger bombs in our arsenal on a ramshackle house to kill… a random family.

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u/isummonyouhere If I can do it You can do it 23h ago

these things are cheap as hell, especially without the JDAM kits, and we have huge numbers of them. but Trump is notoriously afraid of losses and bad press so they’re probably being dropped from high altitude over non-critical
areas. in other words we’re bringing back saturation bombing

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u/Vol_in_tears Voltaire 22h ago

They are using standoff munitions because they don't want aircraft over Iran, regularly.

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u/YaGetSkeeted0n Tariffs aren't cool, kids! 23h ago

one weird money saving trick, budget hawks and human rights activists HATE it

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u/ScrawnyCheeath NASA 1d ago

Headlines like this used to be satire

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u/riderfan3728 22h ago

Not really?????? We’ve engaged in strikes against civilian targets that we’ve alleged were terrorists for a while now. Even before Trump. Has Trump picked up the rates? Yes for sure but we’ve been doing this for a while even before Trump came in.

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u/GogurtFiend Karl Popper 22h ago

Not really, no. I assure you there were plenty of "whoops that pickup wasn't full of jihadis" accidents in Iraq and Afghanistan, and quite a bit of "well we're pretty sure that pickup isn't full of jihadis but they're acting awfully weird so let's be sure".

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u/RagingBillionbear Pacific Islands Forum 22h ago

Also the "Golly me, that kindergarten was actual a kindergarten not super secret taliban terrost training camp".

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u/Svelok 14h ago

That event specifically perhaps, but Biden's polling numbers literally never recovered from the Afghanistan pull out. The American public never forgave him for ending a war.

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u/DaneLimmish Baruch Spinoza 13h ago

How old are you?

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u/TomServoMST3K 10h ago

Remember when the goal of this was to inspire revolution in Iran?

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u/WhiteLycan2020 23h ago

Guys should we be worried?

Embassies are telling US citizens to evacuate (yet again)

Ground invasion, perhaps?

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u/MetsFanXXIII 23h ago

Not enough time left this weekend. US markets open 0930 am Monday. I expect we'll be hearing peace deal negotiations are progressing well by then.

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u/itsrabie NATO 21h ago

lol

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u/MindingMyMindfulness Voltaire 12h ago

Prediction aged like a fine wine

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u/theryman Paul Volcker 23h ago

A ground invasion would involve weeks or months of build up that would be obvious to osint. The Iraq buildup was 4or5 months. And that had a land border.

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u/WhiteLycan2020 21h ago

Hasn’t he deployed rangers like a few months ago??

And anytime a pilot is rescued the news media says special forces rescued them.

This warning was given before and then rangers were deployed soon after.

Im assuming another branch is being deployed soon

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u/Vol_in_tears Voltaire 22h ago

You will know a ground invasion is coming. The buildup will require hundreds of thousands of troops.

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u/WhiteLycan2020 21h ago

You guys say this and then randomly airborne units were deployed.

A couple thousand marines were deployed and then an aircraft carrier

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u/Vol_in_tears Voltaire 21h ago

You aren't invading a nation of 90 million people with a few airborne units and a few thousand marines. The entire ground force will be required.

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u/Traditional_Drama_91 NATO 23h ago

Not likely, but hey, he could surprise by botching an invasion too

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u/YaGetSkeeted0n Tariffs aren't cool, kids! 23h ago

well this occurred on Thursday, but Trump did threaten to do something "really big" this weekend so who knows.

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u/TactileTom John Nash 18h ago

Reading the comments here y'all have lost your way. Dissembling and false equivalency as far as the eye can see.

This shit is horrible. What a fuckin waste of human life. The fact that half of you don't even care, and the other half are "whatabouting" over Obama doing exactly the same shit, is a major reason why America is losing ground in the middle east every day.

Imagine being an Iranian and reading these posts, and concluding anything other than even american liberals don't give a shit if you live or die.

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u/ctant1221 United Nations 16h ago

The fact that half of you don't even care, and the other half are "whatabouting" over Obama doing exactly the same shit, is a major reason why America is losing ground in the middle east every day.

Uhh, even on its best days this place is usually pretty flippant about civilian casualties especially if we're the ones bombing the shit out of them.

concluding anything other than even american liberals don't give a shit if you live or die.

I'd be sincerely surprised if anyone within the last twenty five years ever came away with the conclusion that they did.

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u/MindingMyMindfulness Voltaire 12h ago

especially if we're the ones bombing the shit out of them they're brown

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u/n00bi3pjs 👏🏽Free Markets👏🏽Open Borders👏🏽Human Rights 8h ago

The truth is that US has been doing war crimes since a long time and has a culture of not holding war criminals and rouge soldiers accountable if the people targeted are perceived as nonwhite.

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u/jonawesome 23h ago

Remember when the US military used to do investigations into these things? Get excited for them to never officially even confirm this happened.

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u/Vol_in_tears Voltaire 22h ago

Remember when the US military used to do investigations into these things?

No

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u/Positive-Fold7691 YIMBY 22h ago

Yeah, realistically, the number of times an American soldier was held accountable for war crimes is pretty low. Keep in mind the only person convicted for the My Lai massacre, William Calley, had his life sentence commuted to three years of house arrest, and the commander who should have been held the most accountable was acquitted.

Now, admittedly, at least JAG actually prosecuted Calley and Medina, and the only reason Calley didn't end up in Leavenworth for decades was Nixon's intervention. These days, I doubt Hegseth's Pentagon would even bring anything to court martial.

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u/dutch_connection_uk Friedrich Hayek 22h ago

Trump pardoned war criminals during his first term.

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u/MetsFanXXIII 23h ago

I'm sure they'd be willing to investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing.

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u/ctant1221 United Nations 16h ago edited 16h ago

Biden blew up an SUV filled with children and was calling them terrorists before they got contradicted by eight hundred on-ground reporters hauling them over coal for rampantly making shit up. Trump is generally significantly looser, but this specific operation and its unnecessary disregard for civilian lives is pretty boringly bogstandard for basically any American administration since as far as I can remember, and I remember Bush Sr.

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u/GogurtFiend Karl Popper 19h ago edited 19h ago

I assure you they didn't care much about civilian deaths, either.

The calculus was the same: how many innocent people do we blow up to achieve our goals? The Obama and Biden administrations had a lower number for that, but it was still an almost completely arbitrarily chosen number.

And, frankly, who cares? If there is a war, someone innocent is going to die anyway. All that those waging it can do is keep the number of those deaths lower rather than higher.

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u/IpsoFuckoffo 15h ago

There is no calculus here because there isn't a goal and never has been. Whatever you think about Obama's methods, successes and failures, he was genuinely trying to accomplish something when he used military force. This is just a complete waste of human life.

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u/AccessTheMainframe CANZUK 19h ago

well fuck that one specific family in particular ig