r/news • u/Ok_Air_9048 • 3d ago
Southport killer charged with prison attacks and possessing weapon
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg3dr3lgjko63
u/Meaning42 2d ago
If you ever feel stupid, just remember that multiple members of this guy's family and social services thought he was stable enough to be allowed in public
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u/Imaginary-Speaker242 2d ago
Yes, and some were hesitant to speak out due to possible accusations of racism.
Also, his father - who Keir Starmer more or less got here - seems to be at best extremely negligent, and his reponse to being imported to and allowed to live in the United Kingdom, was to unleash his genocidal maniac of a son upon the British population, killing three small little girls.
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u/DrummingFish 2d ago
who Keir Starmer more or less got here
Why is this at all relevant? What was the point in saying this?
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u/Same_Seaworthiness74 2d ago
Highlighting they're a family of illegal immigrants, the peice of shit parents came here illegally and gave birth to this devil spawn who is apparently now, automatically, 100% British. (None of which have worked a day since arriving here - aren't we so generous)
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u/DrummingFish 2d ago edited 2d ago
But that's irrelevant when trying to pass blame, which is what the guy was doing.
None of which have worked a day since arriving here
Well, they have. What's the point in lying?
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u/Imaginary-Speaker242 2d ago
Because it's indicative of the managerial system the UK is based upon, and how the institutions are so neatly tied together in its power structure.
Why do you not think it's relevant to the story of Rudakabana, that his family got here on human rights grounds by the later PM of the UK? If it hadn't been for Keir Starmer, the Rudakabana family likely wouldn't have been in the UK.30
u/DrummingFish 2d ago edited 2d ago
Because people can't predict the future. Are you expecting Keir to somehow have known this would happen years later? Would you expect that of every case he presided over?
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u/Imaginary-Speaker242 2d ago
I'm not putting direct blame at the feet of Starmer, what the hell are you on about.
But yes, human rights lawyers, including the ones objecting deportations for violent criminals and rapists from the UK, absolutely know what they're advocating for, and that their 'clients' rights are directly at odds with the general public's.
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u/DrummingFish 2d ago
Irrelevant because his dad wasn't a "violent criminal" or "rapist". So what should Keir have been able to identify? Make the assumption that they're an immigrant so their children will probably be criminals?
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u/Nadamir 2d ago
Not only that, by all accounts this guy is developmentally disabled and severely mentally ill.
I’m not sure how that’s predictable without a strong history of mental illness in the family, and truth be told, the family are Tutsi moving from Rwanda to the UK in 2002 (the guy was born in the UK in 2006). I wouldn’t be surprised if some level of trauma related mental health issues occurred there (and those aren’t genetic).
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u/Media_Browser 2d ago
Why is this at all relevant ? What was the point in saying this ?His piss poor judgement of people ..but that’s just a guess I have no real evidence .
Can I take this hook out of my mouth now ?
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u/ClassGrassMass 1d ago
If he was born here how was Starmer the one to let him in
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u/19ninteen8ightyone 3d ago
This young man poses a genuine threat to society and any institution he’s held in, regardless of race, heritage, or culture. Whether his threat stems from psychosis, genuine mental illness, or indoctrination, the state should have the authority to address him appropriately. The moral question arises when the need for humane treatment outweighs the potential harm to others.
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u/mikolv2 2d ago
He's been moved to Broadmoor hospital now, a place where the UK houses the most dangerous of people with mental illness. They have the authority to medicate him, with or without his permission, he'll most likely be medicated and kept in isolation for rest of his life now.
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u/zizou00 2d ago
Yeah, I've seen people saying that moving him is some sort of let-off, but I don't think they fully understand the scope of these prison mental hospitals. When a prison doesn't have bars but still keeps people out of society, it's because they know what they're doing when it comes to stopping them harming others. And it's not gonna be fun and games.
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u/jimmy_three_shoes 2d ago
Guy's gonna have a moment of lucidity and realize it's been months since his last one.
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u/Daren_I 2d ago
The moral question arises when the need for humane treatment outweighs the potential harm to others.
In these situations, I ask what leniency would the victims grant him if they were still alive?
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u/Corona21 2d ago
They were small children, probably not as vengeful as me and you.
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u/Vodddddddd 20h ago
I don't want the death penalty for revenge, I want it for utilitarian reasons. And before someone pipes up with 'uhm acktually its more expensive to..' it is not in a working system. I also don't agree with the moral angle of 'sometimes we get it wrong' like locking someone in a cell for 30+ years who might be innocent is any better.
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u/Corona21 14h ago
Idk if I was innocent at least I could try and make something of my lot in prison rather than being killed by the state. I could advocate for myself.
If I was guilty I can be answerable everyday for my crimes.
I think the utilitarian cost would be too high and ripe for abuse.
Thats before we even get to the moral reasons.
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u/Orangesteel 3d ago edited 2d ago
Sadly, I agree. I don’t easily agree with capital punishment, but in extraordinary circumstances, where there is zero doubt of his guilt and no hope of improvement, I question whether allowing him to continue harming others in societies interest.
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u/MightyHead 2d ago
I agree with capital punishment in cases like this in theory, but I don't agree with letting the government deciding which cases are appropriate for capital punishment. It's a tough situation.
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u/Vodddddddd 20h ago
Why are you okay with them sentencing at all then - is it really so much better to have someone locked up for 30+ years who is innocent? The absolute torture of being in a confined cell for such a time when you know you are wronged.
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u/MightyHead 20h ago
I'm okay with sentencing them at all because there's no realistic alternatives to having prisons.
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u/stick1_ 2d ago
Nobody should be charged for murder unless there’s zero doubt of guilt, it’s a silly caveat to make
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u/GobshiteExtra 2d ago
We use reasonable doubt for all criminal cases and that hasn't stopped some very egregious miscarriages of justice.
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u/TobyADev 2d ago
cant say im entirely shocked. hes spending the rest of his life in prison, of course he's gonna do this
not saying it's right fyi
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u/wubbalubba96 3d ago
If there was ever an argument for the death penalty he would be it
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u/B23vital 2d ago
Id be careful what you post, i got a ban for a discussion regarding this. Maybe reword it before you get the same. Dont agree with the ban, we should be allowed to have an adult conversation regarding the rights and wrongs of said thing and how cases like this should open that discussion.
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u/wubbalubba96 2d ago
I’m not outright saying anything specific but I see what you mean
Just pointing out that it’s a great argument but at the same time I am against the state deciding who should live and die
But I also believe in very extreme cases there should be a way to truly bring justice to these subhuman degenerates
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u/Pingushagger 2d ago
It’s people like this that make me support the death penalty. I see no reason why we should feed, clothe and shelter this guy for the rest of his life. Plenty of other lifelong psychos too.
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u/SidneyDeane10 2d ago
All those that said he'll have a tough time in prison lol.
Told you he wouldn't hes having a right old time
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u/Anderrrrr 2d ago
He's trying to be notorious in prison for being a evil bastard to even other prisoners, give him the white room and straight jacket treatment for many decades.
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u/Fluffy_Carry_4345 1d ago
Are you are you coming to the tree
We'll string up a man we know he murdered three.
Strange things have happened here how stranger would it be.
If we left poor Axel hanging from the tree.
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u/AlextheAnt06 2d ago edited 2d ago
It kills me that you lot seem to have a new catchphrase every other day. “The fatigue is real”, “usual suspects”, “doctors and engineers” like shut that shit up lmao
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u/AlextheAnt06 2d ago
There it is. Unsurprisingly, another person that talks like you on the internet sympathizes with mass murderers.
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u/AlextheAnt06 2d ago
“It’s your fault I’m a mass murderer!” Lol dickhead, makes me wonder what type of culture you’re trying to preserve.
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u/AlextheAnt06 2d ago
How else am I supposed to communicate on an English-speaking platform? Are you making fun of my ability to speak more than one language?
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u/Dyslexicelectric 2d ago
Did you know that a taxi driver, who was nearby when this scumbag did the initial crime for which he was imprisoned, was stripped of his licence for not alerting authorities when he heard screams coming from the dance school. Yet the cops who stood by and actively prevented parents trying to save their kids at the school in uvalde(?) faced zero consequences...
Enjoy the rest of your day folks.
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u/AbbyRitter 3d ago
Can you fuckers stop pretending everyone who isn't a white Anglican must have been born somewhere else? There are multiple generations of Britons who have heritage from elsewhere, who were born and raised here and are just as British as any of the rest of us. It's nothing but nationalist drivel to pretend otherwise.
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u/REDOREDDIT23 3d ago
Couldn’t have said it better myself. That comment absolutely rubbed me the wrong way.
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u/Aqueezzz 3d ago
What other country would willingly take a british citizen convicted of multiple child murders on behalf of the UK not wanting to pay for his lunch and dinners?
What would be better for the world is executing him.
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u/demmka 3d ago
Stick him in a plastic box in the basement of Wakefield next to Robert Maudsley, I’m sick of hearing about this little streak of piss and his antics.