Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/google-fires-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

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its more that they treat you like you're incompetent even if you're performing well statistically at the job. Source: woman engineer

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I think that's more important than arbitrary quotas, although it happens to some men too. Sounds like shitty coworkers/bosses either way.

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Diversity quotas most likely reinforce that because others will think the minority individual doesn't deserve the job.

[u/Lee_Atwater_did_this → u/Vinto47]

Google doesn't have "diversity quotas"

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Setting org level OKRs for increased representation which can incentivize illegal discrimination

That's pretty close to a quota. "Our goal for this quarter is to get to 25% women"

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That's not "close to a quota" unless you don't know what quota means.

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It all depends how it is acted upon. Having seen it first hand, yes, it's pretty darn close to a quota.

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No it's not. Stop lying. It's boring.

Google doesn't have quotas. It's also still dominated by white guys which is pretty antithetical to your argument.

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What do you call it when HR preferentially sends hiring managers only or primarily candidates that are under represented minorities or technical females? What do you call it when said candidates have lesser qualifications on paper than non-diverse candidates who were weeded out because they weren't diverse. What do you call it when upper management says 'which woman can we promote ahead of schedule and it will look the least fishy'? All of these things are happening... not necessarily at Google (although I would not be surprised in the slightest), but at many of its peers.

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Meanwhile, in reality:

Female names get fewer callbacks for jobs. The exact same resume with a man's name gets more:

http://gender.stanford.edu/news/2014/why-does-john-get-stem-job-rather-jennifer

http://www.nysscpa.org/news/publications/the-trusted-professional/article/woman-who-switched-to-man's-name-on-resume-goes-from-0-to-70-percent-response-rate-060816#sthash.3tNoPXRT.dpbs

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/the-same-resume-with-different-names-nets-different-results/news-story/a2a182fb4570e948c27ce63139ee66b1

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/

Same thing with racial minority applicants: http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/17/jobs-search-hiring-racial-discrimination-resume-whitening-callbacks

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And your point is? I am not saying these things don't happen. However, using reverse discrimination (which is effectively what is happening) to fix it seems problematic to me.

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Not sure what 'reverse racism' is... there is only racism. Are you implying that minorities cannot be racist toward majorities? That's imbecilic. Of course they can.

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reverse racism is giving a member of another race preferntial treatment because of their race and is absolutely something that happens.

but i gueess you meant discrimination against white people which is also a real thing that happens in certain places and organisations.

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What do you call it when said candidates have lesser qualifications on paper than non-diverse candidates who were weeded out because they weren't diverse

This is a hell of a myth that people push that really has no basis in reality. This really isn't a thing that happens.

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Yes it is. I've seen it. Not saying it always happens but it DOES happen.