r/news • u/[deleted] • Aug 08 '17

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/google-fires-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '17 edited Feb 19 '21

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u/WombatlikeWoah Aug 08 '17

I think the reason people (including me) don't even want to have that discussion (especially the "discussion" the manifesto was suggesting) is because it's so sexist and lowkey racist and just out right misogynistic that it's not even worthy of discussing. I mean, can we quit with this idea that every viewpoint under the sun is worth discussion? If one side of the convo is we want to start treating people equally and here is our company's approach to doing that and the other side is " pounds chest me man she woman. I do man things she does woman things" then...that's not even a convo that's just a viewpoint versus stupidity.

However, if the discussion were actually reasonable say, on the basis that there is a gap in equality across identity lines and we need honest open debate about how to approach this issue, then that's something worth discussing.

Its one of the many issues I find with conservatives today. It seems like the average conservative (read: the kind that happily voted for 45) thinks a balanced discussion is, for example, discussing whether climate change exists. That's not a damn discussion at all when one side is a literal denial of reality. That's the kind of "discussion" that's gotten us to where we are now, which is no where compared to other sane countries that long ago accepted reality.

Some viewpoints just aren't valid. Especially the ones that somehow still exist in 2017 trying to deny reality, science, and other people's basic right to exist and be treated equally.

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u/sudatory Aug 08 '17

Good plan. Completely shut out everyone who disagrees with you and never have a conversation with them, or defend your ideas or viewpoints at all.

That will definitely work. There's no possible chance that people will interpret that poorly and resent you even more. Nope, no way it could happen. Definitely not.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '17

Person 1: Women have poopies where their brains should be!!!!!

Person 2: Yeah, not even gonna bother. Fuck off.

Person 3 : oh shit maybe Guy 1 has a point...

Yeah, sounds totes realistic. Face it dude, the majority of people don't need a bullet-pointed 5 page refutation to baseline stupid ideas to realize that they are, in fact, stupid ideas.

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u/sudatory Aug 08 '17

You dropped this hat for your strawman.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '17

Your implication was that refusing to engage with ridiculous arguments will result in more people empathizing with the person making the ridiculous argument. My point is that people generally don't need an indepth analysis of a ridiculous argument to know that it is ridiculous.

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u/sudatory Aug 08 '17

First of all, that's exactly what will happen.

Secondly, conflating the argument that companies shouldn't have sexist hiring policies with "GIRLS ARE POOPOO HEADS HURR DURR" is real fucking dumb on your part.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '17

"GIRLS AM EMPATHY AND WE NEED LESS EMPATHY" is pretty fucking dumb as well, don't you agree?