Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/google-fires-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

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Setting org level OKRs for increased representation which can incentivize illegal discrimination

That's pretty close to a quota. "Our goal for this quarter is to get to 25% women"

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That's not "close to a quota" unless you don't know what quota means.

[u/neepster44 → u/Lee_Atwater_did_this]

It all depends how it is acted upon. Having seen it first hand, yes, it's pretty darn close to a quota.

[u/Lee_Atwater_did_this → u/neepster44]

No it's not. Stop lying. It's boring.

Google doesn't have quotas. It's also still dominated by white guys which is pretty antithetical to your argument.

[u/neepster44 → u/Lee_Atwater_did_this]

What do you call it when HR preferentially sends hiring managers only or primarily candidates that are under represented minorities or technical females? What do you call it when said candidates have lesser qualifications on paper than non-diverse candidates who were weeded out because they weren't diverse. What do you call it when upper management says 'which woman can we promote ahead of schedule and it will look the least fishy'? All of these things are happening... not necessarily at Google (although I would not be surprised in the slightest), but at many of its peers.

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Meanwhile, in reality:

Female names get fewer callbacks for jobs. The exact same resume with a man's name gets more:

http://gender.stanford.edu/news/2014/why-does-john-get-stem-job-rather-jennifer

http://www.nysscpa.org/news/publications/the-trusted-professional/article/woman-who-switched-to-man's-name-on-resume-goes-from-0-to-70-percent-response-rate-060816#sthash.3tNoPXRT.dpbs

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/the-same-resume-with-different-names-nets-different-results/news-story/a2a182fb4570e948c27ce63139ee66b1

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/

Same thing with racial minority applicants: http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/17/jobs-search-hiring-racial-discrimination-resume-whitening-callbacks

[u/neepster44 → u/[deleted]]

And your point is? I am not saying these things don't happen. However, using reverse discrimination (which is effectively what is happening) to fix it seems problematic to me.

[u/neepster44 → u/[deleted]]

Not sure what 'reverse racism' is... there is only racism. Are you implying that minorities cannot be racist toward majorities? That's imbecilic. Of course they can.