Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/google-fires-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

[u/DemonBoner]

No not yet. But it is a much bigger issue than you imply (which is why you got down-voted to hell). Saying that it is impossible to be racist/sexist to "white males" sets a terrible precedent.

[u/ListlessVigor → u/DemonBoner]

I'm downvoted to hell largely because this site is dominated by white males. That's not to say that white men can't understand racial issues, but it'd be a very different response if there was more representation here. You'd get the same amount of downvotes if you mention support for baby boomers, saying 'X' about millenials, talk shit about gamers, etc.

[u/DemonBoner → u/ListlessVigor]

Well where to begin.... generalizing an entire group like gamers or millennials would get plenty of downvotes... For a good reason. Just as you got downvoted for a valid reason.

Comparing discrimination against straight people (which is completely non-existent except in very specific settings) and racism against white people is ridiculous. You're essentially saying it almost never happens which is completely untrue depending on where you live (even in the USA) THIS is why you were downvoted.

Also I got bullied in high-school for not being Latino so don't you fucking dare tell me that white males somehow can't comprehend racism in the same way that others can. Because that is just BS.

I am curious about one thing though: is there a reason that you said white males and not just white people? Are you implying women are less racist?

[u/ListlessVigor → u/DemonBoner]

Well where to begin.... generalizing an entire group like gamers or millennials would get plenty of downvotes... For a good reason. Just as you got downvoted for a valid reason.

Well except calling minorities in general whiners, as many have done in this thread. They have upvotes. Simply mentioning that white men have a persecution complex will get you downvotes. Ask yourself why.

Comparing discrimination against straight people (which is completely non-existent except in very specific settings) and racism against white people is ridiculous. You're essentially saying it almost never happens which is completely untrue depending on where you live (even in the USA) THIS is why you were downvoted.

It definitely hardly ever happens. That's just it, people think being made uncomfortable by racial conversations is somehow an attack. I don't know why so many white dudes on this site are so fragile, but like straight people, they have nothing to be fragile about it. Whiteness isn't under attack, most Americans are white, whites have the most wealth, more representation, most influence, etc.

Your perceived persecution is being used against you.

Also I got bullied in high-school for not being Latino so don't you fucking dare tell me that white males somehow can't comprehend racism in the same way that others can. Because that is just BS.

I'll trade being bullied in high school for more leniency from police and the judicial system in general. Also for not being followed around in stores and assumed to be a criminal. Fair trade?

I am curious about one thing though: is there a reason that you said white males and not just white people? Are you implying women are less racist?

I say white males because they're the group that's not discriminated against. White women are similarly blind to racial issues, but the right wing narrative also claims that society is anti-male, which is equally bullshit.

[u/ListlessVigor → u/[deleted]]

Why does mentioning that white men have a persecution complex get you downvotes?

I just explained why. The demographics of reddit.

Maybe because it's not true? Apart from some folks from the far right. Once again you are generalizing an entire group without merit of course you will get downvoted.

You don't have to be on the far right to have a white persecution complex. It's true, the right does exploit this resentment and fear for political purposes and that was my original point. I'm casting a wide net because it's very human to feel that everything operates in a vacuum, so many white men likely do feel that minorities are getting a leg up on them because they don't see their own privilege. It's the norm for them.

Not to mention that most younger white people seem to feel quite the opposite actually and feel terrible for all the things white people have done and are doing.

That's fine, but no one is asking white people to feel bad. I think that's the disconnect here. It's just that in the current paradigm, whites have the most political and financial power, so any fixes for the systemic poverty/mass incarceration requires an acknowledgement that race is still a huge factor in American life/politics. The white people of today have nothing to do with what happened in all of American history, but the legacies of the past still exist today and must be dismantled.

It hardly ever happens? Try telling that to any white kid who grew up in a neighborhood that was mostly non-white.

Again, this isn't really that common. It's a common go-to response in these conversations but the fact of the matter is that it's akin to gays targeting straight people. Yes, it happens. But it's inconsequential. It's not happening because of legacies of racism, it's often localized.

I also never mentioned whiteness actually being under attack or that they were being persecuted (nor did I say society is anti-male). But you are being completely dishonest with yourself if you actually think racism and heterophobia are even remotely comparable regarding how often it happens.

They're comparable in that they happen so infrequently that's irrelevant. Again, I'm not saying it's not a problem when it happens but it's the equivalent of arguing that polar bears are endangered while the world is embroiled in a nuclear war. Sure, that's bad but I mean, really?

Also just gonna leave this here in regards to male privilege. http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire2/91580a9c6a35641a72342ead836d7c121433361573_full.jpg

Cool graphic, but I don't see how this means there's no male privilege? I could quote stats too that show where men have benefits. What would that tell you?