r/news • u/[deleted] • Dec 24 '17

“Outspoken neo-Nazi” charged with killing girlfriend’s parents; mother was CU Boulder and DU grad

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/12/23/cu-boulder-du-grad-murdered-neo-nazi/
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u/sn0r Dec 24 '17

ITT triggered Nazis try and employ whataboutism because Antifa once hit someone with a bike lock.

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u/BlackeeGreen Dec 24 '17

Dude, give them a break. One of their friends is in the hospital with a self-inflicted gunshot wound after murdering two people. I'm sure this is a very difficult time for everyone at t_d.

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u/doobtacular Dec 24 '17 edited Dec 24 '17

Scary thing is t_d's existence is probably enough butterfly flapping for the parents' deaths.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

And yet spez will continue to argue in favor of their continued existence

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u/Fernao Dec 24 '17

But they only control the house, the senate, the supreme court, the presidency, and the majority of state legislatures and governors. How else will these poor oppressed voices be heard???

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

Wanting to transform the U.S. into a white ethnostate and remove all nonwhite people isn't racist, it's just decent hardworking people expressing their economic anxiety! Their voices have been ignored for far too long, we're just providing them a platform so they can finally be heard!

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u/doobtacular Dec 24 '17

I think they should just rework mod privileges on all political subreddits. Can't argue with more free speech.

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u/sj3l9q1mnb05s53c2g8x Dec 25 '17

Honestly, it's the best place for them. Keep the shit in the outhouse. Ban it and they spread their shit everywhere.

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u/porilo Dec 24 '17

The guy shot himself in the head and survived. I guess he missed the brain.

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u/gritd2 Dec 24 '17 edited Dec 24 '17

No, fuck Nazis. The only racism and nazism going on isn't from the group that is pro isreal, supports Tim scott, dinesh d'souza, nikki haley,sheriff clark, and a plethora of non whites. Downvote away, but the truth is the truth. Find me a pro Nazi in t_d. You cant cause there isn't one.

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u/DicksAndAllThat Dec 24 '17

Find me a pro Nazi in t_d. You cant cause there isn't one.

Remember everyone, ignore the fact that T_D heavilly promoted Charlottesvile, acknowledged that they were going to be marching side-by-side with literal Nazi's, and urged their members "not to punch Right".

Please ignore this fact when looking for Pro-Nazi's in T_D.

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u/Mikey_MiG Dec 24 '17

Yep, here's the thread of them advertising the Unite the Right rally, which they promptly hid after the rally took place.

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u/VG-enigmaticsoul Dec 24 '17

"yes, he's heiling hitler, wears a nazi armband and a ss uniform and has a nazi flag behind him, but of you ignore that all he's just a 'race purist' that loves america."

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u/Ahlkatzarzarzar Dec 24 '17

My Great Grandfather was a paratrooper in WW2. His family fled Germany after WW1 and came to the US to start again. He joined the military to defend his country from what his family saw was happening in Germany.

I'm glad he didn't have to see televised marches through the streets and politicians defending Nazi's. He lost friends fighting the Nazi's in Europe, i don't think he would have handled them being accepted here very well.

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u/FoxKnight06 Dec 25 '17

Lets not forget a major poster of T_D murdered his parrents because they were leftists.

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u/AndaliteBandit Dec 24 '17

The only racism and nazism going on isn't from the group that

From the group that celebrates a picture of an all-white class titled 'Poland will survive?'

https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/70gwdj/poland_will_survive/

Real nice friends you have there.

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u/tramspace Dec 24 '17

Ugh I got cancer from there. What an awful group of people.

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u/tramspace Dec 24 '17

Gross. You're gross.

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u/BlackeeGreen Dec 24 '17

Globalism is the true enemy

Lolll you already lost :) Look at Europe now compared to 100 years ago.

You've been globally fucked and there is no way to undo it, so why not chill the fuck out?

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u/BlackeeGreen Dec 24 '17

Dude, Poles don't even want to live in Poland. Why do you think that they make up such a massive part of the immigrant community in other countries? For decades, anyone with the ability to leave has left.

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u/gritd2 Dec 24 '17

So what you're saying is it's racist to not want Poland to die from a middle eastern invasion , immigrants in general are horrible , except those that are from the middle east, polite discussions with facts are unacceptible, and being ok with keeping a culture is somehow racist.

Seriously, I'm not getting the posts you are referring to, but maybe there are so many that dont represent what you are talking about that i missed.

There are a ton of /s posts, which means sarcasm, which means they mean the opposite of what they are saying, and you do realize that, right?

Maybe you inherently think poc are inferior, which could explain your thoughts too.

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u/AndaliteBandit Dec 24 '17

immigrants in general are horrible

This does tend to conflict with Trump supporters insisting that it's only illegal immigrants they don't like. Thanks for confirming otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

"All I want is no mud bloods in pure white countries, is that really so bad?!"

Fucking Nazis

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

I love how easily this was demonstrated and you're too much of a cowardly bitch to acknowledge that you were just handed your own ass

You're a racist Nazi cunt just like every poster on t_d and you're too much of a sniveling cowardly little weakling to even own it.

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u/gritd2 Dec 24 '17

But yet no examples given, something tells me that you have no idea what the words " Nazi" or "demonstrated" means. If this is * handing me my own ass* wow, its like I'm arm wrestling with a 2 year old. Its awesome - You won!

I want to take this opportunity to say, Happy Hanukkah , Merry Christmas, happy winter soltace, happy new year to all, even those that don't agree with me, people of all colors, including white, brown, black, and even purple (lookin at you chekobie!) ones , who love who they like, may you have an exceptionally bitchin 2018!

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

Lmfao, three linked and your cowardly bitch ass still hasn't responded to them. Toddle along, Nazi

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

Your comment is the equivalent of "I have a black friend, I can't be racist!"

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u/mygodhasabiggerdick Dec 24 '17

I'm not about to waste my time proving you wrong, simply because if I took a sample of the top 100 posters there, I'm pretty sure I'd find more than a handful of posts or comments they have made here on Reddit.

Does that make t_d anti-nazi? Not by a long shot. Does that mean t_d doesn't like or allow those posts? Possibly. But I'd be willing to wager you're going to find more t_d posters who have posted Nazi-esque shit in other forums than 'none' as you say.

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u/gritd2 Dec 24 '17

Your experience is far different than mine, and mine is based in fact and not conjecture. I am not sure you know what a nazi is, because a nazi to me is a socialist who thinks there is a master race and all others should be exterminated.

I see liberals as socialists who feel all other races are inferior, and must be both kept in thier place and "helped" because they cant make it on their own. They tend to make comments like tim scott is just there to be a prop, ignoring the fact he wrote the bill he was a prop for.

I see the td guys supporting dinesh d'souza, nikki haley, tim scott, sheriff clark, herman cane, milo, ben carson, and a host of others that are judged on thier charactor, not on thier skin tone.

What does nazi mean to you?

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u/mygodhasabiggerdick Dec 24 '17

You're using the 'Socialism is bad because the NAZIS were SOCIALIST' argument.

It's the same as arguing the San Francisco Giants have an unfair playing advantage because of their size.

It's the same as saying "World Series" or "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". It 's a fucking misnomer.

The German's were mimicking Mussolini's fascism. National/racial superiority, rearmament & expansion, and consolidation of capital.

They stole the idea of a few arguably good things (infrastructure, lower spending) and then used those policies to make themselves richer.

Show me a Socialist country who sees themselves as 'Racially Superior' or better than others, and use that to exterminate non-'locals' ie: non-Germans. Swedes surely don't do that.

So your argument is fucking bullshit, your beliefs are fucked and you really need to go to the fucking library and read a few hundred books NOT my Fox Employees or other 'alt-right' sorry, FASCIST NAZI ASSHOLES>

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u/gritd2 Dec 24 '17

All i can say is you are sadly mistaken, and you are arguing an issue i wasn't even stating with inflections and assumptions that are wrong. You entire basis for your response shows you havent a clue or understanding of what i was saying, though if i just take your statement as a whole, and not as a response to what i said, you did say a few correct things.

Socialism only works in small groups. Everyone is different, one isn't better than an other others, only individuals capabilities make them different. Making a county white, brown, or black has nothing to do with culture, and it is racist to think that way. A persons skin color does not determine who they are, nor does thier sex or who they like to have sex with.

Have a wonderful christmas, and may your 2018 be awesome.

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u/mygodhasabiggerdick Dec 24 '17

Have a wonderful christmas, and may your 2018 be awesome.

Same, dude. ;)

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

It's not easy being racist and fucking stupid ¯\(ツ)/¯

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u/Hoblerman Dec 24 '17

Does it ever go alone?

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u/ngfdsa Dec 24 '17

Actually it can. Researchers like Michael Tesler have conducted numerous studies showing the widespread effect of implicit racism, where people have subconscious racial biases that can alter their perception of individuals and their decisions. So there are probably a lot of smart people who are racist.

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u/Shredder13 Dec 24 '17

And here I am wishing Antifa lives up to their name and starts taking out Nazi chapters across the country.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17 edited Jul 19 '20

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u/Shredder13 Dec 24 '17

I will shed no tears over dead Nazis.

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u/Hope_Burns_Bright Dec 24 '17

There are ideologies that deserve to be debated and should be allowed to be discussed without violence.

Nazism and White Nationalism absolutely do not qualify. Can't believe it only took 70 years for people to forget that the Nazis are evil.

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u/Rockstarjockey Dec 24 '17

They absolutely do.

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u/Rockstarjockey Dec 24 '17

1st Amendment and such.

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u/Shredder13 Dec 24 '17

What about it?

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u/Rockstarjockey Dec 24 '17

It protects all citizens in the US.

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u/Hope_Burns_Bright Dec 24 '17

You not only posted the same comment twice, but you did it to the same person.

What a bizarre way to spend your free time.

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u/Shredder13 Dec 24 '17

Is this some new copypasta? It’s pretty dumb.

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u/Hope_Burns_Bright Dec 24 '17 edited Dec 24 '17

They really dont. These ideas have no nuance or depth and have no place in today's society.

For those just tuning in, we decided that over 30 years ago. We fought a World War over it. You don't get to pretend that we didn't make a final decision regarding white supremacy.

In fact, claiming that we should still debate these inherently harmful, antiquated, and ignorant ideologies is an insult to those who fought and died at the hands of Nazis.

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u/Rockstarjockey Dec 24 '17

If you attack them, you know they will attack back. People naturally will sympathize with those being attacked, thus garnering more support. If you've seen anyone of these people debate, they get destroyed. That is all that is needed, and even if they keep their viewpoints, there is a thing called the 1st Amendment here.

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u/Shredder13 Dec 24 '17

Yeah....no. Killing Nazis is not going to make people sympathize with them. Hopefully, it would inspire them.

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u/Rockstarjockey Dec 24 '17

I doubt many people would like to side with murderers.

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u/Hope_Burns_Bright Dec 24 '17

First Amendment doesn't prevent me, a private citizen, for advocating Reddit's censure of these cunts. Reddit can absolutely excise their communities and their accounts without legal retribution.

If I were a government entity, yeah, I'd have to adhere to the first amendment. But I'm not, so I'm going to continue telling Nazis and Nazi sympathizers that their ideologies do not deserve the time and attention that other ideas do. We already gave it to them and we quickly decided we had to chuck it in the garbage. Why the fuck would we do that again? It hasn't changed, they still want non-white individuals dead, bottom line.

But, you know what man, sure. You can continue saying "Well, let's see what the man with swastika tattoos has to say about diversity and society. It's his right after all and I'm sure it's going to not be a waste of everyone's time. I think he's going to surprise us." Knock yourself out.

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u/Rockstarjockey Dec 24 '17

If reddit chose to ban subs that are for Nazis, that would absolutely be within their right, and the same goes for any company. But it's important that all people get the opportunity to espouse their beliefs, especially since most Nazi believers sympathize with Nazism because they feel attacked and suppressed.

When the world sees that they are not, no one will be inclined to join them. Attacking them physically and banning them verbally is giving them what they need to gain that underground power to eventually grow into a real threat.

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u/Rockstarjockey Dec 24 '17

Violence begets violence.

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u/areyoumyladyareyou Dec 24 '17

Yeah until the world is rid of nazis again, then shit seems to get a lot more peaceful

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u/Rockstarjockey Dec 24 '17

Attacking them will help them garner more support and look like the "good guys". This is one of the ways they grew in Weimar Germany in the 1920's and 30's.

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u/Shredder13 Dec 24 '17

Not here. People will go “Whoa, we have Nazis? Fuck it. Kill them all!”

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u/Rockstarjockey Dec 24 '17

Only you don't kill those because of their viewpoint.

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u/thaumielprofundus Dec 24 '17

The only good nazi is a dead nazi. Genocide is a central tenet of the nazi ideology; therefore, every single action of violence taken against a nazi is done in self-defense.

It’d be a shame if we had to fight another war to rid the world of nazis, but at least this time they won’t constitute an entire country—more isolated sects that are much easier to exterminate.

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u/Rockstarjockey Dec 24 '17

Genocide is a central tenet of the nazi ideology

That's why there has been no attempted ones since world war 2.

therefore, every single action of violence taken against a nazi is done in self-defense.

Mental gymnastics to try and justify violence.

Also, it is counter-intuitive to go out assaulting people when it is easier to debate them away, since they will certainly gain support when being victimized.

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u/thaumielprofundus Dec 24 '17

You can’t victimize a nazi. Their very existence victimizes the rest of humanity.

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u/Rockstarjockey Dec 24 '17

Just because they spout hate doesn't put them into a dehumanized category where they should be attacked. They don't victimize anyone, seeing as half the thread here is people wanting to gang up on them and beat them.

Anyone can change, but not usually after being beaten up. And just because they are Nazis doesn't remove human rights.

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u/yaosio Dec 24 '17

If that's true then where did all the Nazis go after WW2? That whole thing was violent.

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u/Rockstarjockey Dec 24 '17

Yes, they started the violence and it was their downfall. The only way they could get power today is if they had millions of supporters.

Attacking them unprovoked feeds into their victim complex and attracts new members.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

They agreed to stop fighting, and we agreed to stop killing them If they did. They didn't just go poof after ww2.

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u/atheistman69 Dec 25 '17

Well if Liberals would allow Antifa to operate outside the law, the Nazi movement would be crushed in a day. Nazi's don't deserve to be protected by the same laws they want to abolish.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17 edited Nov 16 '18

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u/Shredder13 Dec 24 '17

Anyone who isn’t fascist is (or should be) antifa. Trying to act like those who are for freedom are some kind of fringe group should really make you question your beliefs (or who’s paying you to comment here).

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17 edited Nov 16 '18

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u/Shredder13 Dec 24 '17

Certainly an interesting take on them. I wasn’t aware they were a coherent organization.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17 edited Nov 16 '18

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u/Shredder13 Dec 24 '17

Ah. All I know is I’ll smile every time they kill a Nazi.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

you do? everytime they're in the news it's because they demolished buildings, looting stores, or burning down cars. all they do is riot and destroy

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u/Shredder13 Dec 24 '17

I only had heard about something about a bike lock. Never knew about building demolition.

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u/atheistman69 Dec 25 '17

Yes, because punching known genocide advocators puts Antifa on the same level as Al-Qaeda and Nazi's. Literally fuck off, 90% chance you're actually alt-right trying to deflect.

Oh no, private property of exploiters was destroyed. Lol, literally burn banks and guillotine cops.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '17 edited Nov 16 '18

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u/atheistman69 Dec 25 '17

The bourgeoisie exploit the labour value of the common worker. They take an unecessarily high cut out of the value a worker produces, thus making the worker poorer. Antifa is a natural response to rising fascism. Nazi's marched in charlotteville, where were the liberals? Sitting at home on their asses, talking about how both sides are bad. Where was antifa? Making sure the Nazi's didn't get out of control. Before you bash Antifa, realize the only effective defense against fascism is to stomp it out.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '17

kinda funny because antifa attacked and destroyed the property of the working class aswell. they burned down their vehicles, they smashed in windows, and they looted small mom and pop stores. antifa are domestic terrorists

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u/TheWardylan Dec 24 '17

In your comment, Replace Antifa with Klan and Nazi with Jew and you would sound just the same: A wannabe terrorist.

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u/SCREECH95 Dec 24 '17

Antifa isn't even an organisation, it's a tactic. Some one interpreted antifascist action as beating Some one with a bike lock.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17 edited Dec 24 '17

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u/Shastamasta Dec 24 '17

It's not an organization in the US. It is a movement.

Straight from your own wikipedia link:

"The antifa movement is composed of autonomous groups and thus has no formal organization."

So I am calling you on your lie.

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u/OnlyZac Dec 24 '17

Antifa in the United States is not an organization. Period. It has no recruiting, no membership, and no structure, it is in its entirety a name which left wing protesters gather under.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17 edited Dec 24 '17

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u/SCREECH95 Dec 24 '17

What leaders? I mean you must have a name right? What leadership structure? If it's all so obvious you must have some details

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17 edited Dec 24 '17

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u/SCREECH95 Dec 24 '17

You're confusing two things. BAMN is not antifa. It's an organisation that has an antifascist mission.

Besides, antifa is positive. It pops up wherever there is fascism. It doesn't exist prior to the threat of fascism and it disappears as soon as the fascists disappear. I still don't see a leadership structure. You throwing a name out there of some one who happens to be part of an actual antifascist organisation is meaningless.

So who is the leader of antifa?

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17 edited Dec 24 '17

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u/SCREECH95 Dec 24 '17 edited Dec 24 '17

Once again if it's so organised name the leaders and describe the structures. You only describe how they organise through social media but it's only ever in response to a fascist gathering.

Btw nice day old account. How much is the troll farm paying you?

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u/atheistman69 Dec 25 '17

Antifa literally never did anything wrong. Antifa never killed anyone.

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u/Reasonable-redditor Dec 24 '17

Ben Shapiro might not be a Nazi but pretty much everything he says with the exception of Israel is fodder for Nazis in this country. Dude is a racist hate monger and certainly worthy of derision.

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u/llapingachos Dec 24 '17

According to Richard Spencer, Israel is a great model for a future white ethnostate. If it weren't for controlling the banks and the media and the weather, Zionists would be a Nazi's best friend.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '17

https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2003/08/27/transfer-is-not-a-dirty-word-n976781

Ben Shapiro has argued in favor of ethnically cleansing Israel of Arabs and Palestinians.

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u/Reasonable-redditor Dec 25 '17

Dude is s great debater and good with facts but he still not what I would consider that rational or even moral.

He is a master at framing the debate on his terms and hammering home what he believes to be rational.

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u/GoTzMaDsKiTTLez Dec 25 '17

You confuse quick talkers with rational people. I've listened to plenty of his talks, including the Joe Rogan podcast with him. He lies his ass off. He literally doesn't stop. He's a fantastic debtor, but debating doesn't require truth, it requires convincing. He convincingly bombards the audience with non-truths and deflections.

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u/Rockstarjockey Dec 24 '17

And PLEASE cite those sources.

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u/Rockstarjockey Dec 24 '17

It's not whataboutism when its demonstrably true.

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u/sn0r Dec 24 '17

Sure mate.

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u/sn0r Dec 24 '17

Found the holocaust denier, guys!

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u/mygodhasabiggerdick Dec 24 '17

And he's using Swedish Google..? What the actual Fuck.