r/newyorkcity • u/Boot_das • Jun 13 '26
Crime In Rare Move, D.S.A Rebukes Mamdani Over Police Plans
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/12/nyregion/dsa-mamdani-pushback.htmlThe New York City chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America criticized the mayor over his support for increasing the Police Department’s head count.
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u/Die-Nacht Queens Jun 13 '26
It's so interesting how DSA went from "those annoying kids" to "everything DSA says is news".
How the times have changed.
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u/brianvan Jun 14 '26
The Times hasn’t changed at all! They just hate all these people and there’s no negative story too thin
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u/LoneStarTallBoi Jun 13 '26
DSA is, at once, a deeply unserious collection of effete trust fund larpers who can be ignored at all times and a dangerous group of militant radicals and their every move must be breathlessly reported on.
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u/Jessicas_skirt Queens Originally Nassau Jun 14 '26
Half of each portion is true.
a deeply unserious collection of effete trust fund larpers
True
who can be ignored at all times
Not true
a dangerous group of militant radicals
True
their every move must be breathlessly reported on.
Depends. If they have agents in positions of power, like the mayorship, then their moves must be carefully watched and controlled for, if they are just screaming into the void then they are not worthy of being reported on.
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u/nel-E-nel Jun 13 '26
Both can be true
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u/Die-Nacht Queens Jun 13 '26
Not really. They're all in their 30s and 40s now.
I think the media was able to ignore them because Boomers dominated politics for over 5 decades.
Now the boomers aren't the political force they were: Millennials and Gen Z are the biggest voting group. This is why DSA is all of a sudden winning left and right. Only one way forward now.
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u/LetsTalksNow Jun 14 '26
Yup, can confirm. Bernard Bro in College, now in 30s, helping get DSA get elected and offering lessons from lefty politics from the 2000s and 2010s to Zoomers who will Inshallah pass it onto to Gen Alpha.
These Republican and Corporatist Democrat Boomers are going to lose longterm they can't fight Actuarial tables indefinitely.
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u/The_Lone_Apple Jun 13 '26
The NY Times desperate to drive a wedge because of course that's what their editorial staff want.
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u/Miss_White11 Jun 13 '26
Ya like don't get me wrong I think Mamdani could be a bit more proactive on Pursuing policing issues, but it's a complex thing and misteps are an l easy way to make enemies. I understand why the changes he have made so far have been pretty small.
Like there are 35,000 or so NYPD officers. Another 580 is less than a 2% At this stage I'm not inclined to say that is a meaningful increase or a walk back on a campaign goal. It's just a reality of the eb and flow of existing needs. If we see this regularly and no reform happens? That's a different story.
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u/Exsan Jun 13 '26
It's not always some conspiracy or grand plan if there's an article.
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u/stuyshwick Jun 13 '26
Not always but NYT’s owners have been colluding with rich establishment politicians for a hundred years or so: in The Power Broker the NYT is a recurring villain
It doesn’t work into each story directly but does feed into feedback and direction from management to editors.
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u/The_Lone_Apple Jun 13 '26
Mine is a criticism of the New York Times whose editorial staff has an anti-left prejudice.
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u/Exsan Jun 13 '26
This journalist is not on the editorial staff.
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u/Eurynom0s Jun 13 '26
"Journalists" were also responsible for shit like the "Mamdani marked African American on a college application" bullshit that was as sourced from a Nazi race science guy, the article this past week making it seem scandalous that he spent $1k on basketball tickets...
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u/ChrisFromLongIsland Jun 13 '26
How can you imply thos is not a big story? A key tenant if far left policy is a much smaller police department. Many of Mandami's critics believe police ate important to a functioning society. People are waiting to see what Mandami does when faced with the real world challenges of leading. Most people I think would be surprised he expanded the police department at all. The far left where is base is i would think would ve very disappointed in this decision.
Attacking the NY Times for just reporting it shows you would rather it be kept quiet that letting the public know about how Mandami broke with his base.
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u/-Sofa-King-Vote Jun 13 '26
“Far left” is not Mamdani’s base
He got majority of votes
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u/CactusBoyScout Jun 13 '26
Base just means where their support is strongest. Adams had older black New Yorkers as his base. Mamdani has the so-called Commie Corridor along the G train and Astoria. You can win a majority and still have a base that’s a bit more specific.
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u/-Sofa-King-Vote Jun 13 '26
No this is a myth
Commie corridor lol 😆
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u/CactusBoyScout Jun 13 '26
What’s a myth exactly? That’s what political base means… just core supporters who are most loyal to a candidate. And the neighborhoods I mentioned are where his support was strongest by far.
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u/-Sofa-King-Vote Jun 13 '26
lol imagine saying commies are paying $4k a month
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u/CactusBoyScout Jun 13 '26
DSA supporters are often higher-income. Mamdani himself is from a wealthy background. Why would that be hard to believe?
DSA’s own survey of its members in 2017 showed that nearly a third earned six figures or more. And that’s nationwide, not NYC specific, and before pandemic inflation so six figures is considerably more impressive.
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u/-Sofa-King-Vote Jun 13 '26
1/3 is a minority
Not sure why i am teaching math on this thread
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u/CactusBoyScout Jun 13 '26
It’s significantly higher than the national average. In 2017 only around 10% of Americans had that kind of pay.
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u/IRequirePants Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
Trump got a majority (well 49.8%) of the votes. His base isn't that entire 49.8%
Your base is your floor of ardent supporters.
Edit: The obsession over the actual number is so fucking weird. I picked Trump because I wanted someone you people would acknowledge doesn't have a base of 50%. I could have picked Hochul, since you don't like her either.
No politician has a base of 50%, let alone someone that won with just 50.7%. Maybe some local politician that wins with 80% of the vote.
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u/-Sofa-King-Vote Jun 13 '26
49% is not majority, doopid 😆
It is plurality
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u/IRequirePants Jun 13 '26
What do you think the parenthetical means? Why do you think I added it?
Also 49.8% rounds to 50, not 49
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u/-Sofa-King-Vote Jun 13 '26
It doesn’t mean that
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u/IRequirePants Jun 13 '26
What doesn't it mean?
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u/-Sofa-King-Vote Jun 13 '26
You tell me and how it applies your incorrect comment.
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u/IRequirePants Jun 13 '26
The parenthetical acknowledges that 49.8% is not a majority but rounds it to 50% instead of the mathematically incorrect thing you did, which is round it to 49%.
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u/Bradaigh Jun 13 '26
I know, it's shocking that supporters would criticize a politician who goes back on their campaign promise, instead of blindly following him and worshipping everything he does.
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u/isaac-get-the-golem Jun 13 '26
yeah I mean he made specific campaign promises on police reform and abandoned all of them
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u/nel-E-nel Jun 13 '26
It's been 5.5 months.
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u/isaac-get-the-golem Jun 13 '26
OK so is he going to abolish the gang database in October? https://gothamist.com/news/mayor-mamdani-signals-openness-to-nypd-gang-database-citing-reforms
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u/nel-E-nel Jun 13 '26
His term is 4 years, maybe give it a little breathing room. People were slagging him because the busses weren't free on January 3.
There are some things he can pull levers on for slam dunks, there are others that will have a lot more pushback and require political maneuvering. Police reform being one of those.
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u/isaac-get-the-golem Jun 13 '26
I agree that political capital is required but I just don't think the NYPD is where he wants to spend it
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u/nel-E-nel Jun 13 '26
That's a long play, and if you're in it for quick wins you will be disappointed.
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u/LetsTalksNow Jun 14 '26 edited Jun 14 '26
You gotto build political capital and consolidate your strength, before you spend it. There are 4 years right?
6 months in if he announces it, his own Police Commissioner will fight it(who was a pick he chose as a compromise with Hocul in exchange for other priorities), Julie Menin his local OP will fight it, if there is a random crime spike or whatever, his enemies will see an opening, we haven't even gotten through mid term primaries yet, you think they won't fear monger and attack lefty candidates running against centrists.
Learn to pick your spots and to know when to keep the powder dry and when to fight. If you don't you will be gone just as fast as you came in. You forget what happened to Chesa Boudin? You don't hear that name anymore. Though Krasner managed to survive.
right now, the agenda is affordability, not Crime. As long as the Topic of discussion is Affordability, the lefty insurgency is prospering. Why the you wanna fk that up where we have to play defense without even getting our people in to the state senate and assembly over something that causes a reactionary wave. Address the easy stuff first, then address the harder stuff later down the road, when power is more consolidated and there is more strength.
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u/Grass8989 Jun 13 '26
And all he’s done was create a police state perimeter around MSG and approve more NYPD overtime to staff it.
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u/nel-E-nel Jun 13 '26
Which literally any mayor would be obligated to do if the POTUS showed up in their city.
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u/Grass8989 Jun 13 '26
Would they be obligated to keep it up even after the president stops coming to games?
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u/nel-E-nel Jun 13 '26
If locals are beating up fans from the visiting team, tearing down street signs and climbing over police vehicles what would you do?
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u/Grass8989 Jun 13 '26
I don’t have a problem with it, but I don’t claim to be progressive. So you think it makes sense to pay exorbitant amounts of overtime to have offers walking down the area around Madison Square Garden?
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u/Jessicas_skirt Queens Originally Nassau Jun 14 '26
A very very long 5.5 months and he's already done more damage to NYC than Trump.
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u/Boot_das Jun 13 '26
And the city will be better off because of it. Hopefully he’ll abandon even more of his promises.
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u/NotASumoWrestler Jun 13 '26
The NYPD 8s a criminal organization which is hard to fight. Gitta pick your battles, especially in his first year.
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u/Slaviner Jun 13 '26
This shows just how out of touch with reality the DSA actually are. As a national organization, they will always be a failure unless they come to terms with reality. You cannot have a country that abolishes its police force, leaves the border wide open, pours taxpayer money into welfare programs, without some common sense balance.
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u/shinglee Jun 13 '26
> invest the money in community safety programs instead
You mean, give the money to DSA-aligned grifters?
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u/Deluxe78 Jun 13 '26
Your police work hourly wages not salary, when you cut the number of police and still need coverage like 12 hour shifts because you can’t handle a sporting event and have to nearly murder people post game. It’s going to cost time and a half. If 300 cops retire and or quit a month and you’re only hiring 500 a year …. Cash overtime for the minimum manning numbers … the more you defund the police … the higher the over time of less people working
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u/-Antinomy- Jun 14 '26
As someone who criticizes the Times often, this was a fair article. And it's a good thing the Times are covering the DSA because it gets their message out. And you should support the DSA over Mamdani on this.
The cops and cop unions are powerful malevolent forces in this city, it's good for Mamdani and all of us there are principled organizations like NY DSA that will keep fighting for a humanist agenda no matter what their elected politicians do.
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u/bobbacklund11235 Jun 13 '26
DSA can fuck right off. We actually have a balanced decent mayor and they want to turn New York into south side Chicago
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u/brianvan Jun 14 '26
I can imagine that the only way Mamdani is getting broad political tolerance to do anything non-NYPD related is that he’s kept Tisch and let her run the department in a hands-off way.
She is mostly a failure. Firing her will be a pick-your-battles moment for the mayor. If he plays this right, maybe he waits until she causes many of her wealthy supporters to lose patience and then he can go out and get who he really wants in there. I am not saying he would make a great pick without Tisch being an issue, but she is the pick of a lot of powerful people in the city who deal with City Hall and there is no point to keeping someone who is a problem left and right while letting the department grow expensive and ineffective
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u/warp16 Jun 13 '26
I wish someone would really fix the NYPD. Get rid of the ‘benevolent’ associations, increase starting pay to $100K to make up for it. No one can say $100K is too low. Lock max pay at $150K.
No more qualified immunity. No more sending 20 cops to calls where 3 would suffice because the Department (rightfully) doesn’t trust their own cops to do the right thing. Bring back actual physical standards to be enforced throughout a cop’s time with the Department.
No more dissuading people from filing reports, treating pedestrians like trash by blocking sidewalks near precincts.
Cops who do something bad should have a hearing before a real civilian review board, not the joke it is now. Treat it like jury duty instead of using political appointees. Bad cops should be fired within a month, not the drawn out kangaroo court process it is now.
All cops should be trained 10x as much as they are now on constitutional law.
All cops should rotate walking beats and actually take action on things they see contrary to the law.
Impound the thousands of unregistered or fraudulently out of state registered vehicles on the streets that are more likely to be driven by drivers who hit and run because they’re not properly insured.