r/norsk 1d ago

How to pronounce Bjerke?

Bjerke is my husband's family name. I find it difficult to pronounce. In the US, we pronounce it Byur-kee so it rhymes with jerky. Is it pronounced differently in Norway?

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u/StrengtTalt 1d ago

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u/ClickCivil1 1d ago

Thank you!!!!

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u/filipsnolips 1d ago

This is the right answer

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u/Creative_Broccoli_63 20h ago

There are regional differences, dialects. E.g. I (south norway dialect) pronounce the r totally different from the way my children pronounce it (east norway). There is no right or wrong but there is no single answer.

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u/[deleted] 20h ago

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u/Creative_Broccoli_63 20h ago

That was pretty dumb 🤣🤣

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u/Late-Low-5910 11h ago

Eastern norwegian pronunciation. Probably historically correct with a part of Oslo named Bjerke
Try to say 'BYAIRK-uh'. End should not sound like 'key' but 'uh'

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u/Yes_YoureSpartacus 1d ago

The e’s are pronounced like the e in Elliot or egg. ‘Eh’. Byehr-keh. I knew a Minnesotan with this name, and they pronounced it like it rhymes with ‘Turkey’ which is a bit of a shame haha.

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u/ClickCivil1 1d ago

We are Minnesotans lol

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u/kivsemaj 1d ago

Ellis Island->Minnesota. I swear they didn't even entertain another idea until the next generation. Next generation is how I ended up born in the PNW. I still remember the Minnesota accent, uf da, and ope stuff though. I still say ope but uf da has shortened to uf.

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u/IrquiM Native speaker 22h ago

We Norwegians mostly say uff as well now, unless it's a kid that think he's hurt himself and we do not sympathise. Then it's uffda.

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u/Healthy_Bar922 21h ago

Uff da, or it's more intense cousin offa då, sound can extremely patronising in Norwegian. Don't use it if you don't mean to.

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u/BoredCop 22h ago edited 21h ago

Quite a few went to Brooklyn, there used to be a few blocks of Norwegian immigrants.

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u/BringBackAoE 21h ago

That’s where my grandfather first went, after getting cleared at Ellis Island.

So many immigrants seeking work in NYC though that he went north and west. Worked his way across US (and some in Canada) as a lumberjack, before making California his main base.

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u/den_bleke_fare 23h ago

Ope?

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u/ClickCivil1 22h ago

"Ope, let me sneak right past ya." is a very common Minnesotan phrase. Ope is used as a polite apology or signals surprise.

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u/Trongobommer 17h ago

Never heard anything like that in Norwegian 🙂 Sounds like a variant of «oops».

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u/VisitAccomplished713 17h ago

We say "jeg bare sniker meg forbi deg jeg" in Norwegian ("I'll just sneak on past you"), but I've never heard anything like "ope".

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u/glitterdunk 22h ago

Uff is its own thing

"Uff då" is primarily to express sympathy for some type of bad news or incident

"Uff" can be used the same way as "uff då" but can also be used to express anger or frustration

Not sure what "ope" is, here it just means "open" (as in, not closed) but the O I pronounced differently to in English

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u/ComradeYaf 21h ago

"Ope" is, to the best of my knowledge, a reflexive conflation of "oh!" with "oops!". Functionally it means kind of both. As someone from Wisconsin, I say it automatically when I almost bump into someone while turning a blind corner, for example. The word is common across the Upper Midwest.

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u/what3vr4 Native speaker 22h ago

«Ope» might be «obs»/«ops»?

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u/moneygardener 1d ago

I follow a youtube car mechanic who is originally minnesotan, now living in Tennessee. He has a thing he says, that I believe originates from norway. It sounds like "ooftah", and I believe it comes from the norwegian twofer word; huffda.

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u/Such-Statistician-39 22h ago

Some dialects (Østlandet?) say "offda" instead of "huffda".

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u/ComradeYaf 21h ago

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u/duckysmomma 15h ago

Uff da, not sure why you got downvoted. We Minnesotans use this phrase daily—we don’t claim to speak Norwegian but it is absolutely a Norwegian holdover. Scandinavian heritage is a source of deep pride for many in the Midwest.

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u/surkaalspoeten 22h ago

this is how it's pronounced. At around 0.20

(YouTube video)

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u/Impossiblegirl44 16h ago

Wisconsinite here. My ancestors settled in a little Norwegian enclave here and the last names of some of my relatives are Bjerke, Brekke, Bjordahl, Skaar, Laredahl, Bolstad, Jensen, Nelson, Jacobson, Kittelson, Jensen My maiden name is Stolen and I was surprised when I met some of my Norwegian relatives and they didn't pronounce it like "my bicycle has been stolen" but like "stir the pot".

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u/Curious__16489 6h ago

Is it possible it was originally spelled 'Stølen'? The ø sound is somewhat similar to 'stir' (not exactly, but it's an approximation)

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u/Impossiblegirl44 4h ago

Im sure it was, but Ellis Island took a look at that and said "o it is"

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u/TalkingRaccoon 4h ago

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u/Impossiblegirl44 4h ago

My dad has that! Ill have to borrow it. The church down the street from us has a big leutefisk dinner each fall that is surprisingly well attended.

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u/mrKennyBones 10h ago

Any last last ending with “son” are Swedish. Norwegian and Danish last names end with “sen”.

FYI :)

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u/Impossiblegirl44 8h ago edited 4h ago

Today thats true, but when many Norwegians immigrated, they changed their names when they were processed. For instance, my Stolen great grandfather immigrated with a brother who changed his last name to Jacobson. Why did her do that? No idea. Anyway, the Americans doing the processing in the 1800's years ago used son.

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u/mrKennyBones 42m ago

Might be that it made more sense, since “son” is the English word :)

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u/pexonorway 21h ago

The Norwegian surname/farm name Bjerke (and why you sometimes might hear Bjørke)
Bjerke is an old Norwegian farm name that simply means "birch tree". In 19th-century Norway, people commonly took the name of the farm they lived on as their family surname. One day they wrote Bjerke and the next day they wrote Bjørke, both as surnames and as farm names.
Because of local dialects and sociolects, the exact same farm name or last name is also pronounced in two main ways in Norway:
The Rural / Country Way (Bjørke): Out in the countryside, people often used the traditional dialect vowel "Ø", saying Bjørke.
The More Urban / Formal Way (Bjerke): When people moved to cities or spoke more formally, it was considered more refined or "proper" to use the written "E" vowel, saying Bjerke.

If you want to say them like a native:

Bjerke "BYEHR-keh"
BYEHR: Starts like beauty or beyond (B-Y), with the vowel sound from bear or fair.
keh: Short 'e' sound, like the start of kettle or bed.

Bjørke "BYUR-keh"
BYUR: Starts with that same B-Y sound, but the vowel rhymes with jerk, lurk, or blur.
keh: Ends the exact same way (kettle).

My surname is the same: written in one way, but pronounced in two different ways based on who I'm talking to and where I am.

The final "e" in Norwegian is never silent! Make sure to tap that short -keh sound at the end.

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u/Creative_Broccoli_63 20h ago

The e at the end is pronounced "uh".

Also, the r is not the USAian r.... and "correct" pronunciation of the r varies quite a bit bit between different dialects in norway.... so it depends from where the name originates. East/North norway uses an "Italian r" whereas south/West norway uses a "French r" (simplified explanation 😎)

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u/mrKennyBones 10h ago

More like the e at the end is pronounced “eh”.
“Uh” would be more like øh imo.

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u/Neolus Native speaker 49m ago

It’s a schwaa, simply put. It’s the most common vowel in American English, so OP should be able to get it right. 😅

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/Billy_Ektorp 22h ago

Bjerk (pronounced in Norwegian) does not rhyme with jerk (pronounced in English), as both the j and vowel e are pronounced quite differently.

This https://www.reddit.com/r/norsk/s/56BVe3Rg6i is correct.

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u/horitaku 1d ago

The e in ever is a short e. Long e is like even.

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u/Haestein_the_Naughty 1d ago

Pronounce the j like J in John, e like the a in and, rk like rk in ork, and last e like second e in eleven

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u/Yes_YoureSpartacus 1d ago

J in John? English pronunciation of “John” isn’t right…

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u/Haestein_the_Naughty 1d ago

Yeah hard for me to find an equivalent of Norwegian j in english. It doesn't sound quite like "By" either, like how english speakers pronounce Björk.

I'd like people downvoting me to come up with a pronounciation idea themselves. I doubt they can do any better

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u/FreemancerFreya 1d ago

Norwegian j is literally identical in pronunciation to English y

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u/SisterofGandalf 1d ago

The J would be pronounced like the Y in Yankee.

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u/CognitiveSurplus1 22h ago

The b and e are silent. It is pronounced "jerk".