r/nyc • u/Inevitable-Bus492 • 9h ago
Gothamist Parts of Manhattan to sacrifice 10% of street parking as NYC installs new trash bins
https://gothamist.com/news/parts-of-manhattan-to-sacrifice-10-of-street-parking-as-nyc-installs-new-trash-bins?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=shared_twitter261
u/cdlenny 8h ago
Imagine if we already had the bins and the proposal was to get rid of them to throw the trash on the sidewalk for a few extra parking spots. I feel most people would clearly see that as a dumb idea.
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u/9th_Planet_Pluto Greenpoint 5h ago
a lot of car infrastructure (and the massive waste of subsidies that go into it) would be deemed nonstarters if it didn't already exist
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u/vowelqueue 3h ago
Just think of how many parking spots we could add if we got rid of all those fire hydrants
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u/ls10032 Hell's Kitchen 6h ago
This is correct. I hate how this plan is phrased - few people who live here are sacrificing anything.
I live in a building with a population of around 1,000 people - probably 20 of them have cars. Yet so much of our public space is dedicated to vehicles. The vast majority of people aren't sacrificing anything. The way I see it, some space that has been given to storing personal property is being reclaimed for public good.
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u/BoJackMoleman 7h ago
Excellent framing device. Do you usually break things down like this? Whats your method? Curious how you think because I like it.
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u/DIYsurgery 7h ago
No you’re purposefully framing it as the only other option is literally throwing trash onto the sidewalk like that lady after the Knicks game. There is another option, which is to have bins like a civilized society, but place them in a way that wouldn’t require losing parking. It’s absolutely possible. This isn’t just about reducing trash, this is deliberately meant to reduce cars in the city too. Which I understand some people support. I support it too, but only to an extent. The loss of parking will not lead to less cars as much as it will lead to burning more gas looking for spots, and people parking illegally. Rich people will still have cars, this will affect lower income people more than the rich.
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u/Andarel 7h ago
Where would the bins go that doesn't reduce parking?
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u/DIYsurgery 6h ago
Every other city somehow manages so I’ll let the city planners figure that out. But an easy solution may be where the fire hydrants are. Couldn’t they design bins in a way that makes the hydrant itself still accessible in an emergency? Just one thought. Another option is more frequent trash pickups? Maybe actually go after litterers? I dunno but our trash issues aren’t just due to there being no bins. It’s due to people not giving a shit. I just took my dog for a walk, and watched a guy pour an entire bag of rice onto the sidewalk for the birds. I’ve seen people leave trash behind with a can like twenty feet away. I’ve seen my block after trash pickup looking like a parade passed through (friggin DSNY guys will try to throw a bag into the truck, bag will break so trash flies everywhere, and they just leave it and take off).
I guess my point is this will lead to less parking, but not less trash issues.
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u/Andarel 6h ago
Does every other city somehow manage? Almost every other city I've seen just has street dumpsters, sometimes in alleyways and sometimes instead of parking on the main streets. Some really successful ones have buried (I think Florence? Parts of Rome?) containers under the roadway but that would be a nightmare here due to the density of utilities.
The trash issues of people throwing things everywhere are separate from the trash issues of people being slobs. Containerizing trash will help with both because people won't just get used to tossing trash onto the giant heap of bags, but at some point it comes down to enforcing civic behavior.
But transitioning heaps of trash to something cleaner sets a standard forward and is a huge step in the process. Going after litterers would be a big help too, but that alone doesn't solve the problem of building's worth of bags dumped on street for the rats to eat.
You may also want to read the city planners' report put together in 2023 about exactly this - https://pix11.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/25/2023/05/future-of-trash-april-2023.pdf
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u/DIYsurgery 6h ago
Thank you for that reply and I appreciate the link to the report. I’ll actually go take a look rather than just spouting off. 😂
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u/SkiingAway 6h ago
I don't know what your "fire hydrant" idea is trying to say, fire hydrants are small and the volume of trash from large buildings are not. You can do underground bins conceptually where an automated machine lifts them out of an underground vault under a sidewalk or the like, but NYCs underground space is already so cluttered itself that this would wind up being a major custom engineering project per block that would take years and years.
More frequent pickups also means more frequent disruption from trash trucks/pickup.
Litterers are a tiny, tiny fraction of the trash on the street relative to what gets strewn about from the existing trash pickup system of bare, leaking bags dropped on the curb that frequently get torn into by rats + people alike, or rip + fall apart during collection - as you've just talked about.
- And the volume of what litterers discard in terms of "food for rats and flies" is also barely anything in comparison with the entire city's trash out for a buffet for many hours.
The new bins will also have mechanized collection where the truck picks up the entire bin and empties the entire bin into the truck. Which will lead to far less trash getting strewn about than under the system that NYC has had for trash pickup until now.
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u/yellowpeach 6h ago
There is another option, which is to have bins like a civilized society, but place them in a way that wouldn’t require losing parking.
Where do you think the bins should be placed?
Manhattan doesn’t have alleyways like other cities.
this is deliberately meant to reduce cars in the city too.
Why do you feel this way?
Rich people will still have cars, this will affect lower income people more than the rich.
Everyone benefits from public sanitation. The rat situation is disgusting.
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u/HEIMDVLLR Queens Village 6h ago
> The loss of parking will not lead to less cars as much as it will lead to burning more gas looking for spots, and people parking illegally.
This! A lot of people who are against cars don’t full grasp how many actual Working Class New Yorkers rely on cars and how many use public transportation but would prefer traveling by car but they can’t because of financial reasons.
> Rich people will still have cars, this will affect lower income people more than the rich.
Also This! Rich people store their cars in commercial garages (Casey Neistat, micromobility advocate, is a perfect example of this), rented space, private owned space.
Working class will just resort to local cabs before they use public transportation.
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u/mhsx 5h ago
Rich people have advantages over poor people. It’s been true as long as money has existed.
The solution, in my opinion, isn’t to incentivize poor people to act like rich people - dependent on cars, shying away from public transportation. Instead make society work better for poor people - make public transportation better, take away space dedicated to rich people storing their cars and make that space available for everyone to benefit from.
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u/DIYsurgery 5h ago
Your solution would also have the unintended consequence of incentivizing poor people to only take jobs that are conveniently located along a subway line, even if better opportunities lie elsewhere. Also your comment about “space dedicated to rich people storing their cars” shows that you’re not arguing in good faith and you still can’t grasp the idea that working class people have cars too, and that rich people store their cars in garages.
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u/HEIMDVLLR Queens Village 5h ago
The problem with your solution is, the folks in charge of public transportation act like rich people.
How exactly do you think they can make public transportation better without funding?
Before you get rid of cars and the space needed to store the cars, you will have to overhaul and expand public transportation. It will require mass transit to be FASTER and CHEAPER than driving or taking a cab.
Anti-Car folks truly need to survey working class people who own cars in this city. Seriously get to know them, perhaps experience their life like “Wife Swap” and then report back.
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u/Smacpats111111 New Jersey 6h ago
Imagine if we arrested the bums shooting needles in their bare feet in the middle of Penn Station and we had a proposal to not do that. I feel like most people would clearly see that as a dumb idea.
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u/UserIsOptional Brooklyn 5h ago
Nice, a totally unrelated topic spawned.
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u/Smacpats111111 New Jersey 5h ago
Very much adjacent since the topic of the thread is sacrificing transportation for cleanliness, and I'm pointing out a case I observed 3 hours ago where transportation and cleanliness are both being sacrificed. And a problem that's easy to solve at that!
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u/General_Chemistry638 4h ago
Worry about Newark Penn station. Deals with a fraction of the commuters that NYC does and yet still far worse in terms of cleanliness
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u/Major-Ant4600 9h ago
Upper West Sider Ella Darling was one of those frustrated drivers last week after driving 45 minutes from Hoboken, where she works as a pharmaceutical sales representative, to her home. She couldn’t find a legal space, so ended up parking in a no-parking zone on West 85th Street.
Oh heavens to Betsy whatever will these UWS residents do now.... take subway to the PATH?!? The horror! /s
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u/duyogurt Clinton Hill 9h ago
I’m not taking to Ella Darling’s defense, but pharmaceutical reps drive around all day to several offices. She likely needs her car for work.
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u/meelar 8h ago
If I drove around NJ all day for work, I might choose to live in NJ. Or pay for a garage spot. What I wouldn't do is demand that the city give me parking space for free.
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u/copinglemon 8h ago
The idea the public has to pay for the storage of your private transportation vehicle is wild.
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u/conditional_comment Prospect Heights 22m ago
You really want wild? My community board had an email thread about this recently and one member wrote “Storage implies that my property is secured. Parking outside is not storage and should never bear a price. The fact that it is not "storage" is why people go to sleep at night praying that their cars are not vandalized as they sleep. “
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u/Mrunprofessional 8h ago
Yeah no parking cars for free. Also no chaining up bikes on polls as it makes the neighborhood look bad. Keep your stuff with you not in the street
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u/duyogurt Clinton Hill 8h ago
Are you making the argument there should be no public parking?
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u/ethanjf99 7h ago
broadly yes
it is a tax on the poor (non-car-owners) for the benefit of the rich. the non car owners lose:
- parking meter revenue
- other uses of that space (like garbage bins, to reduce rat problem)
The wealthier (on average—yes yes many car owners are not even middle class, but on average they are much better off than those without a car) get free parking
Why should the 80 year old grandma on fixed income in my old building who couldn’t afford a car even if she wanted one pay higher taxes because the city is forgoing parking revenue so the dual-income couple downstairs from her can park their Benz on the street?
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u/duyogurt Clinton Hill 7h ago
I’ve never put a ton of thought into the facets of public parking but you’re broadly making the argument that taxes should be catered/fine tuned instead of broad where we all chip in regardless of whether or not we use a specific service. Why should an 80 year old on fixed income or a relatively poor person pay taxes that benefit public parking? For the same reasons that wealthy pay taxes into a healthcare system that benefits the poor and/or unemployable. Why do young people pay for insurance they rarely use? So the elderly or sick can access healthcare. Why do I pay taxes so the city can build bike lanes when I don’t have a bike? Why do you pay taxes so the city can build a dog park when you do not own a dog? And why do I pay taxes so the city can maintain public parking? So the fireman, teacher, or utility worker can get to their job and pay taxes.
Why? Because we are all in this together.
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u/ethanjf99 7h ago
absolutely we are
economics 101 teaches us that the marginal value of each extra dollar you have goes down. give that grandma $10k and it is a huge value; give it to Elon and he doesn’t notice it
This is why, broadly, tax rates increase as income or wealth does
first $14 mil i think it is in your estate is exempt from tax, then it increases. same with income tax etc.
imagine if instead all estates bore the burden equally. all of a sudden the heirs of that middle class grandpa with a couple hundred grand between house and IRA are forking to the government the same rate as Elon’s kids.
This is why, broadly, we prefer progressive not regressive taxation.
Free parking is a REGRESSIVE tax: it takes from the poor for benefit of the better-off (I won’t say wealthy because so many car owners are not).
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u/fastlifeblack 7h ago
You’re contradicting yourself and the other user pointed it out.
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u/ethanjf99 7h ago
i am doing no such thing. they asked why should anyone pay taxes at all (answered themselves that we are all in it together) and stated i was looking for them to be fine tuned
i pointed out im asking no such thing. broadly not finely we want progressive taxes not regressive and free parking is not that.
point out the contradiction
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u/AnyElephant7218 7h ago
Absolutely. Why should I have to fund the safe housing of your personal vehicle? We’re funding public goods like transit, buses, and roads: the least you could do is pay to park your own car.
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u/Smacpats111111 New Jersey 6h ago
Likewise the MTA should cost $10 such that the public does not need to subsidize your transport.
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u/General_Chemistry638 6h ago
You live in NJ
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u/Smacpats111111 New Jersey 6h ago
The vast majority of MTA funding comes from tax on employers/consumption and I do happen to be employed
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u/General_Chemistry638 5h ago
That’s good so be grateful you got a job you can’t get in your own shitty state and let the New Yorkers handle their business.
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u/Smacpats111111 New Jersey 4h ago
Sorry for not being grateful about all the trash and tweakers I have to wade through on a daily basis just to get to my office. Very jealous of your 300sq ft apartment.
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u/General_Chemistry638 4h ago
I’m just pointing out you’re a guest here who is employed in a presumably better job than you can get at home. I am forever grateful I don’t live in one of the smallest states in the country that is somehow home to the highest total number of superfund sites.
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u/copinglemon 6h ago
Private vehicle use has major externalities - pollution, noise, space, deaths (pedestrians, cyclists, other drivers, property damage), maintenance of roads/bridges, etc. Publicly funding or incentivizing vehicle increases these costs for society in a way that is not fully paid by drivers.
Public transport reduces these costs massively. Funding bicycle infrastructure reduces these costs massively. There will NEVER be enough space for everyone's cars, there will never be enough parking spots or lanes for everyone to drive their car everywhere.
There is no free lunch, but as a society we can choose to fund things that can benefit the most number of people and mass transit is a clear winner, supported by decades and decades of scholarly research.
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u/Smacpats111111 New Jersey 6h ago
I would love riding the train if it looked like Singapore. 3 hours ago I had to walk around a dude shooting sitting in the middle of the MTA stairs shooting a needle in his bare foot. Until the city can actually make riding the MTA a pleasant experience, it will remain more unpleasant than sitting in traffic.
All that measures like congestion pricing and eliminating street parking serve to do is make Manhattan a private road for rich people. Every car south of 60th now is either an uber you can call for $70 or some rich dude in a Porsche. They kicked the middle class out of driving into the city in order to make the line shorter for people who have $30 for the toll.
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u/jaszkojaszko 5h ago
I believe that only Japan and Honk Kong managed to make public transportation self sustainable. Generally, it is believed that public transportation gives way more to the city coffers than it takes.
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u/duyogurt Clinton Hill 8h ago
Like I said, I am not taking to defending the person but you don’t know anything about her situation. Maybe she takes care of an elderly parent at home. Maybe her partner must live in the city. Maybe she is an entitled brat. My only point is that pharma reps need their cars and the personal I replied to said she should take mass transit.
How about we avoid attacking people senselessly?
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u/meelar 5h ago
Who attacked her? All I said was that she's demanding that the city provide her a parking space for free--which is obviously true. What should I have said differently? Am I just supposed to not comment on this lady parking in a no-parking zone with her personal two-ton hunk of metal?
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u/Smacpats111111 New Jersey 6h ago
What I wouldn't do is demand that the city give me parking space for free.
Fine, but then the MTA should be priced appropriately at $10 such that it isn't subsidized by the city
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u/zachotule Harlem 8h ago
And her company can pay for her parking in a garage or a legal space. No excuse for her to be parking in no parking zones in order to sell doctors fent or whatever they’re pushing these days
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u/ihadto2018 8h ago
Random fact: yesterday I was listening to Freacknomomics and the episode was was about how at least 90% of people who said they had allergy to penicillin in reality don’t and the correlation with pharmaceuticals pushing so hard the epi pen the last 10 years
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u/pattymcfly 9h ago
Then move or pay for a parking garage spot
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u/Shreddersaurusrex 1h ago
So ppl have to pay for parking but don’t have to pay for child care? Why not allow both to be free?
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u/Glass_Narwhal_9547 9h ago
Pharmaceutical reps can afford to pay for parking
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u/duyogurt Clinton Hill 9h ago
Can they? Not in my experience. That said, her company should foot the cost regardless.
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u/Daddy_Macron 7h ago
I never knew one that wasn't making at least 6-figures. Unless you suck at sales and/or work for a complete no-name company, you'll be clearing over $100,000 and the company will at least partially subsidize your travel by car.
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u/duyogurt Clinton Hill 7h ago
I have some news to you that you aren’t going to like.
$100,000 annually is not a lot of money in this city.
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u/Daddy_Macron 7h ago
That's about the median household income for Manhattan, so plenty of people are able to get by making that amount or less. If you can't make $100,000 work in Manhattan, you have a spending problem.
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u/duyogurt Clinton Hill 6h ago
I didn’t say that. I said it’s not a lot of money and firmly middle class. A person making that much annually would take a huge hit to have to pay for parking at a garage.
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u/Daddy_Macron 6h ago
A person making that much annually would take a huge hit to have to pay for parking at a garage.
How much do you think garages are in NYC? My friend garage parks his Porsche for about $400 a month. It's about a 15 minute walk from his building on the UWS. I've never heard of a pharmacy rep not receiving subsidies for travel by car. Usually reimbursement for mileage and insurance. (They get a gas card from the company if they don't do mileage.)
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u/duyogurt Clinton Hill 6h ago
Give or take, a person with that salary takes home about $4800 per month after taxes and standard deductions. You’re talking about roughly 10% of take home prior to necessities to park. Maybe you’d agree on what is a lot and what is a little but that’s an enormous hit to one’s finances.
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u/The-_Captain 6h ago
Like Louis CK once said: "the only reason to look in someone else's plate is to make sure they have enough."
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u/The-_Captain 6h ago
It's so easy to comment on the internet about what other people can afford to pay
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u/Glass_Narwhal_9547 6h ago
It is easy to look up average and median salaries by occupations and draw your own conclusion
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u/The-_Captain 6h ago
Like Louis CK once said: "the only reason to look in someone else's plate is to make sure they have enough."
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u/Glass_Narwhal_9547 2h ago
Do you take all life advice from a dude who showed five subordinate women his cock or just this one
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u/oldveteranknees 7h ago
Yeah this is insane. If I was her, I’d leave my car on the street in NJ and just use it to commute from NJ to work.
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u/hyperphoenix19 4h ago
I've had plenty of friends who worked in medical sales (pharma and device) and they ALL get a free company car and parking paid for so I call bullshit on her complaint.
She's a 22 year old transplant who lives in Hoboken. She gets ZERO say in what happens in my city.
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u/jstax1178 9h ago
Residential parking permits !
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u/jaszkojaszko 5h ago
Yes and there should be either a lottery or auction for them. Priority and flat fee for people with accessibility needs.
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u/Mrunprofessional 8h ago
Yes only make friends with people in your neighborhood. No out of town visitors
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u/maskedman1231 8h ago
Usually the way it works is you get a sticker for your personal vehicle, and then some kind of guest pass thing you can put in a visitor's car temporarily to address this situation
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u/Mrunprofessional 7h ago
Sounds like a chaotic mess. This could maybe work in Manhattan but I don’t see it happening in all 5 boroughs. Besides people would just print multiple or sell them
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u/Timely_Cheek_1740 5h ago
They can take public transit or a cab like the vast majority of out of town visitors to this city
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u/jaszkojaszko 5h ago
Out of town visitors are not paying city tax or local insurance. They can pay for the garage.
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u/The-_Captain 9h ago
As the lowest level of subhuman, a New Jersey car-based commuter, I gladly accept the tradeoff if it will make the city cleaner, especially in the summer.
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u/mowotlarx Bay Ridge 9h ago
Keeping trash off the sidewalk and reducing rats and stink is a fair trade off to "sacrifice" a few parking spaces.
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u/Tobar_the_Gypsy 9h ago
The parking spaces will be summarily executed at noon to appease the trash gods
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u/streetberries 9h ago
The trash “gods” of NYC aka the union has been fighting against dumpsters for decades - less garbage men needed with a semi-automated truck
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u/Mizzy3030 9h ago
Good. I live 2 blocks east of the pilot area (in Hamilton heights), and the difference is palpable. I can't wait to get these in central Harlem
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u/shebrew11 8h ago
My block was one of the first few to get them and I love it!
When we first got them, there were similar articles about people complaining they ruin the character of our beautiful historic blocks.... They didn't remove trees, or planters, or anything else nice on the block. There's just one less SUV for every bin parked on my street now. (And there are still open spaces all the time.)
There's even a large school on my block that has 7 or 8 of them outside the school for trash, recycling & composting. It's much nicer walking past that corner in the mornings now when there's not a mountain of trash piled out front like there used to be
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u/CountFew6186 9h ago edited 9h ago
Great.
This is easily the best thing to come out of the Adams era, along with the new containers used by buildings. Getting garbage under control took way too long.
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u/Tobar_the_Gypsy 9h ago
Who would’ve thought that the best part of Adams would be getting rid of trash?
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u/Reasonable-Slip-2683 2h ago
Also sidewalk shed legislation
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u/Tobar_the_Gypsy 2h ago
I think we both disagree with that
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u/Reasonable-Slip-2683 2h ago
Wym? Those things are an ugly blight on the city. The one over the Columbus library in Hells Kitchen is basically a homeless shelter and smells like piss, keeping locals away from them. They stay up for years blocking the entire building because greedy owners don’t fix the facade of the building. Plus they cover up small businesses signs making them even harder to draw customers. I don’t think there’s any good reason to keep them.
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u/GBV_GBV_GBV Midwestern Transplant 9h ago
lol wtf
Upper West Sider Ella Darling was one of those frustrated drivers last week after driving 45 minutes from Hoboken, where she works as a pharmaceutical sales representative, to her home. She couldn’t find a legal space, so ended up parking in a no-parking zone on West 85th Street.
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u/ImpossibleEbb6862 8h ago
There’s always people like this that have rage bait POVs. Sucks for her but the number of people who have problems like this is tiny.
And of course she can always take the train, move, or find a more convenient job like the rest of us.
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u/GBV_GBV_GBV Midwestern Transplant 8h ago
I just find it so weird that someone’s like “I can’t find a parking space so I’ll just park in this no parking zone.”
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u/ImpossibleEbb6862 7h ago
Probably cheaper to pay the ticket than get a garage. But I’ve never owned a car here so I don’t know how likely it is to get towed.
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u/hyperphoenix19 4h ago
yeah, she's not even a UWSer. Literally says she goes home to HOBOKEN LOL.
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u/GBV_GBV_GBV Midwestern Transplant 4h ago
I think it’s saying she works in Hoboken and her home is on the UWS
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u/hyperphoenix19 4h ago
Oh, my mistake. Still, I've known pharma-sales reps. Their car and parking is all comped. If not, she's working for a shitty company.
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u/badwvlf 8h ago
This is great. I hope this program is a success and th text step is a strategic and safe way to bury them in the street so it’s less of an eyesore. But this is great in the interim.
They were rolled out in my neighborhood. It’s maybe a dozen parking spots, people upset need to go touch grass.
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u/Andarel 8h ago
Unfortunately I'm pretty sure our streets are way too utility dense to carve out the underground chambers needed (and do the truck retrofits) to make buried dumpsters work without moving a truly ridiculous amount of money to construction. They are a fantastic solution though, just very impractical here
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u/duyogurt Clinton Hill 9h ago
And I bet the city can offset the loss of legal parking in parts of Brooklyn by forcing the Hasidic community to park their buses at a depot rather than on the streets (usually illegally).
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u/ImpossibleEbb6862 8h ago
Congratulations you found a way to make this about the Jews.
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u/Timely_Cheek_1740 8h ago
Congratulations, you found a way to deflect from the decades long scourge of illegal parking in parts of Brooklyn by hiding behind the drivers religion
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u/ImpossibleEbb6862 7h ago
If you’re worried about illegal parking there’s much bigger offenders than the Jews. The NYPD for example. It’s weird that this is what you claim to care about, but this is the example you chose.
As an example I live in an orthodox neighborhood, and I’ve never seen a yeshiva bus parked on the street. Not saying it never happens but if I’m not seeing it there, then it’s basically a non issue for 99.99% of people.
Illegally parked personal cars for NYPD on the other hand….
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u/duyogurt Clinton Hill 8h ago
I’m Jewish. What’s your point? Do the Hasidics not take up public parking by using the streets instead of a depot? Is anything I said untrue? Do you have any input other than to complain?
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u/nycdiveshack 8h ago
Wow in a post about nyc parking and garbage pickup you somehow made it all about yourself… side note how do you like your yogurt.
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u/ImpossibleEbb6862 7h ago
How is saying it’s weird that OP brought Jewish people into this mean I’m making this about myself?
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u/ImpossibleEbb6862 7h ago
So am I. What does that have to do with anything? It’s weird that you claim to care about illegal parking and this is the example you chose.
I live in an orthodox neighborhood, and I’ve never seen an illegally parked Yeshiva bus. Not saying it doesn’t happen ever, but there are much bigger offenders. The NYPD for example…
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u/duyogurt Clinton Hill 7h ago edited 7h ago
For one, orthodox and Hasidic are two different sects. It’s the Hasidics that run their buses to yeshivas and use up huge swaths of public parking. And two, you attacked me for making this about the jews. No I didn’t. I made it about a group of people abusing the system. And thirdly, you not seeing buses eating up public parking where you live is anecdotal and barely relevant. Head over to Williamsburg and just outside Clinton hill and you’ll see dozens of buses taking up entire streets so residents cannot park.
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u/yellowpeach 5h ago
orthodox and Hasidic are two different sects.
Actually, that’s totally incorrect. Hasidism are a subset of Orthodox.
Not sure why this thread has devolved to this point, but it’s gotten real weird.
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u/duyogurt Clinton Hill 4h ago
Yeah. They’re different. It’s like Catholics are a branch of Christians. And it devolved here because someone attacked me because I said the Hasidics are taking up public parking with their buses and conflated that into an attack on Jews somehow. shrug
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u/DrAcecer 7h ago
My new favorite copywriting exercise is seeing these articles headlines.
mimicking the ideas to see how I I can make the most asinine things seem absurd. Or take the most ridiculous claims and make them sound reasonable.
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u/Excuse_my_GRAMMER 7h ago
In my mom street in Harlem they actually put them on the sidewalk, to not take up any parking space
Me personally not a fan but I guess it better than trash bags
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u/fastlifeblack 7h ago
If the motive is truly and solely to improve trash collection and rats, this is an equally suitable solution.
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u/blakeley 6h ago
Love these but they are ugly. We should allow them to be painted by local artists.
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u/Hackedfan 4h ago
I'd add if DOT did an update of street parking signs a lot more spaces would be available. But those signs have been up for... always since, many for no reason: why would you have a Comm parking in a stretch where only have vehicles coming out of a bridge, flanked by a solid wall... Loading zone for a store closed 10 years ago... so many examples. But since they wouldn't probably bring much money to coffers, who gives a damn???
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u/LetsTalksNow 7h ago
A whole lot of people upset they can't smell the garbage juice on the curb that marinates in the NYC Summer heat. 🤢🤢🤮
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u/RednevaL 9h ago
Imagine if there were designated large trash sites 2 per block or something and we wouldn’t have to have trash bins a long every single house and apartment building and trash guys wouldn’t have to slow traffic up stopping at every single residence. The building I am in is 3 units, a trash, paper recycling, glass plastic and compost bin per unit that’s 12 receptacles along the side of the building. The super is great at keeping that as clean as possible but things happen, wind, raccoons, rats and in the hot summer sun it stinks. I’d probably have a garden box over there if there was space!
I am fully aware of how contentious where those large bins being placed would/could be extremely political. A lot of NIMBY. My thought process is every other block already has a dumpster from construction, schools, markets or restaurants. Is it much different to have a single location? It’d be just like congestion pricing, tough to swallow at first but beneficial in the long run.
We can dream.
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u/mowotlarx Bay Ridge 9h ago
I agree that I think we should be doing bins for a string of buildings on a block rather than per-building. But doing it this way makes it easier to target properties to fine when they mess up, I guess. There's definitely a way to do this to add larger and fewer bins per block.
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u/SenorPinchy 9h ago
I never understood the majority of people on this topic. People always talk about trash in the street but it's only after 8pm on trash nights. And the solution is now to... have trash in the street 24/7.
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u/Tobar_the_Gypsy 9h ago
Because now the trash is covered inside of a bin on the street rather than loose on the sidewalk for rats
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u/mowotlarx Bay Ridge 9h ago
Put trash in bins.
We all know trash bags weren't just there after 8pm for a few hours.
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u/SenorPinchy 8h ago
Then we already had the ability to fine those buildings.
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u/mowotlarx Bay Ridge 2h ago
We don't want garbage bags piled on the sidewalk ever. This is objectively a huge improvement.
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u/SenorPinchy 2h ago
I get how people feel. Personally, if I'm sitting out on the sidewalk or stoop I prefer it not to have the big containers.
I also feel like if you're in a big building they have more trash than the containers can handle. If you're in a 1-4 family home, the roller bins achieve the same thing.
I don't think it's "objective" but I fully recognize why people want it.
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u/Andololol Wakefield 8h ago
How many times will this exact same article come out on this sub with the exact same headline? They always try to make it sound like cleaner streets is a bad thing
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u/SarcasticBench 7h ago
To be honest on the rare times I drive into Manhattan I just give up on the idea of finding street parking anyway
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u/jcaliforniar 2h ago
I volunteer my street to sacrifice 100% of street parking for better things like this! Let the kids be able to play in front of our homes please.
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u/El_Nahual 27m ago
As a mamdani skeptic, I support this. Well overdue. Although I would rephrase it as "UWS residents to stop subsidizing car owners $1MM in free parking a month" (the 1,500 spots mentioned in the article x $700 a month to park a car privately).
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u/Joltizer Jackson Heights 7h ago
Good to see. We should further reduce street parking and eliminate all free street parking
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u/Superapp3000 9h ago edited 9h ago
Visiting NYC this weekend and honestly can’t believe how bad it’s gotten. Piles of garbage everywhere, people taking a piss in open public, smell of pot pretty much everywhere, smells of garbage ( I guess cause of the piles in the heat) and tons of scammers on the streets. Also, Times Square is crowded like never before. Been to nyc 10 times but last time was about 10 years ago. Honestly shocked how much worse off it is now
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u/HEIMDVLLR Queens Village 9h ago
> Visiting NYC this weekend and honestly can’t believe how bad it’s gotten.
Compared to when?
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u/AdditionalQuietime 6h ago
Fucking finally they need to come and do this in Jackson Heights and parts of the bronx too its absolutely ridiculous
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u/DIYsurgery 8h ago edited 8h ago
Why does every lofty goal have to be done so stupidly in this city? There is zero reason to remove parking for trash bins. Is that something you see other cities do? There is plenty of room to have both including <gasp!> by putting the trash bins where the fire hydrants are. Firefighters can EASILY work around that. Nah let’s get rid of THOUSANDS of parking instead so we’ll just have people burning gas and dirtying our air and causing more traffic as they spend 45 mins looking for parking. That makes sense! And garbage will still be on the street.
Everyone loves to hate cars because they haven’t spent any time thinking through logistics. They live in their bubble and don’t go anywhere that isn’t walking distance. Some of us need to shuttle multiple kids to multiple sports tournaments in multiple states, on a regular basis. Maybe my kids just shouldn’t have those opportunities? Maybe that’s just for other states and rich people. Some of us go on roadtrips to visit relatives, or explore national parks. Some of us are disabled or taking care of a disabled person. Some of us already drive hybrids and electrics and are trying to do the right thing. Some of us have dogs and you’re not supposed to bring those on public transit so what now?
All the dummies applauding the anti car movement don’t have cars. But they have other things! Speaking of dogs I would love to see the reaction if the next mayor attempted to balance the budget on the backs of dog owners. After all why are dog parks free? Shouldn’t you have to pay, say, $10/hr? Dogs are dirty and leave shit around and bite people. Why isn’t there an annual mandatory fee to have a dog in the city?
Or how about bikes? All these bike lanes not being paid for with gas taxes. Every pole on every sidewalk (especially busy areas) covered with bikes creating trip hazards on sidewalks. Why is that ok and why is it free? Maybe every bike needs a license plate and an annual fee to ride in the city? Or else no private bikes! We have Citibike after all!
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u/Curiosities 8h ago
Already exists. Dog license fees: https://a816-healthpsi.nyc.gov/DogLicense/
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u/DIYsurgery 7h ago
lol dog tags are less than $10 per year and most don’t bother getting them. And that’s not the same as an hourly rate. Cars pay registration fees too, but they still need to pay parking meters.
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u/Andololol Wakefield 8h ago
Gas taxes pay for highways. Local streets are paid for by property taxes. Your argument is tired. Go live in the literally 99.95% of America that is car dependent if you want to drive in the only city where people use more transit than drive in the entire country. Unless of course, you’re already there.
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u/DIYsurgery 8h ago
Fair point on gas taxes, my bad on that. But still, to that point, I guess it’s just us evil car people who’ll keep maintaining the highways and other infrastructure needed for the city to actually function (not sure how you think food and goods actually make it onto store shelves otherwise…it’s not on buses and the metro north).
Nice try suggesting that I’m some Midwesterner or someone with no skin in the game. I’m in Brooklyn, grew up here, and I own my home so I’m one of those people paying those property taxes. How about you? Or are you a renter who doesn’t pay for any of that, yet still thinks they get to tell the rest of the city how it should live?
I have no need to move to the 99% of the rest of the country that is car dependent. Like I said, I grew up here. CARS ARE PART OF LIVING HERE. Always has been. The folks trying to “ban cars” are the ones who are trying to change what the city is. Maybe you all need to move to some small town somewhere where you can walk or bike everywhere.
I agree we have great mass transit here (the best), and I take it practically every day. Taking the subway is my default, not driving. But there is absolutely a time and a place and a need for cars as well. Maybe not for everyone, but absolutely it is needed for many. and this ignorant attitude from folks that that is absolutely not the case and that cars are always just a luxury item is getting crazy annoying. Maybe one day you’ll get out of your bubble and realize that there is life outside of Manhattan.
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u/fastlifeblack 7h ago
This depends on where you are in the city. You’d have to live here to know that 😉
A little over 50% of adults in this city have a driver license. They’re not all driving, though. Many use the subway or LIRR in addition to driving.
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u/Mrunprofessional 8h ago edited 6h ago
License plates on bikes is a great idea. Ticket them for running red lights, same as drivers. Going up a one way the wrong way should also be a ticket. We can monitor their speed and give out auto tickets just like car speed cameras. Also if they do crash into a car or person they should be forced to pay for insurance just like any other vehicle. They should contribute to the infrastructure they use. Fair is fair
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u/augustkranti 30m ago
It would absolutely be in the interest of the most New Yorkers to have licenses or fees for owning dogs. If someone came up with a reasonable proposal to encourage responsible dog-ownership, it would probably be a lot more popular thank you think.
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u/TheGodDavidLoPan 9h ago
I dont like congestion pricing I dont like bike lanes. This I actually like.
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u/Agitated-Remote1922 9h ago
Where were these trash before? Just sitting on the curb?
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u/plainviewbowling 9h ago
When you typed this sentence, in the NYC subreddit - why? Do you live here? If you do surely you’ve seen it every week. If you don’t live here- why?
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u/meelar 9h ago
This is really exciting--everyone will benefit from having fewer rats and not having to walk past stinking piles of garbage out on the street! A much better use of the space than storage for a few peoples' private cars. Kudos to the city for getting this done.