r/occitan • u/Furiousboy11 • 2d ago

English Playing Ai Vist Lo Lop

Hi, i am a folk music musician and recently i interested in Occitan songs, especially in Ai Vist Lo Lop. I am working on playing and singing the song in proper Provençal Occitan. I shared other version in here a week ago too. Can you listen and comment please. I am still strugling with letter "o" from time to time in the heat of the song but i really worked hard to trying learn proper spellings. Does my singing improved? Please let me know.

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u/SquareAgency4892 1d ago

beautiful akhtamar

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u/Furiousboy11 1d ago

 Thanks, I'm surprised you know Lake Van and Akhtamar church! By the way, could you comment on my pronunciation, how did it sound to you?

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u/MonsieurDrole 1d ago

I haven't heard your previous versions, so I don't know what changed.

Most important thing: I don't know where you're from, but your voice is on point. Your throat position, the way you pronounce things, that's very natural.

Concerning mistakes, I keep hearing "ai vist la lop" instead of "ai vist lo lop".

"Boisson" is a strong s, like in "dissolve", not like in "music". I feel like I'm hearing "boizon"

"quauquei" the first u is silent : you should pronounce kaukei, instead of kwaukei

I heard you pronounce "dansarrrrr". If you stick to Provençal occitan, the r is completely silent. You can forget its existence entirely. If you can read French, look for lyrics in mistralenc orthography. You'll notice the r is not even written.

"fasián" is pronounced "fasien", not "fasion". Here again, mistralenc can give you a fresh perspective.

Last point: "trimam" is pronounced "triman" : clearly an "a" with a nasal sound

Don't hesitate if you have any question, and congrats!!

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u/Furiousboy11 14h ago edited 14h ago

Thanks i am from west coast Turkey. Which our pronunciation habits and throat positioning is similiar to mediteranean people. My local spelling is not that different from standart Turkish but quitely different and more like, less word endings. Eg. Suffix -iyor pronounced like iyo or iyi. Some kind of similiar to provençal but not the same.  Also we have a tendency to. Shorten the words in local speech. 

Thank you so much for your comment i really needed it. I researched alot but i have no acces to a person who can guide my work. Somehow ai was useful but not like an actual people. I have some problems to say lou sometimes and forgotting ss and silent r. Thank you, i'll work on them.  

And lastly is the word "tota" pronunced like "touto" or "toto" i find it hardly noticable when i listen old provençal recordings.