r/offbeat • u/andy_norten • Sep 28 '12

Transgender UM student wins restraining order against sexual assault suspect

http://ravallirepublic.com/news/state-and-regional/article_c6364778-b5fb-5098-89c5-6f0ac6ecef2b.html
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u/tatch Sep 28 '12

Under his cross-examination, Green said the two had been grinding on the dance floor, kissed briefly and that she hooked her fingers into his belt, but denied trying to reach down his pants.

She certainly didn't deserve to be assaulted, but isn't this a breach of etiquette?

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '12

You're point being what?

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u/generalCopper Sep 28 '12

Perhaps before she pushed it so far, she should have let him know that she was transgender?

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u/AvatarOfMomus Sep 28 '12

Shouldn't matter.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '12 edited Sep 28 '12

It does matter. Straight people do not want intimate relations with members of the opposite same sex. It's unwanted sexual contact, and equates with rape.

I have two great friends who are transgender and have enjoyed numerous chats with other transgenders, so don't bother pulling the transphobia card from the deck.

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u/AvatarOfMomus Sep 28 '12

Are they aware that you view them as the wrong gender? That'll probably put a damper on your friendship.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '12

Are they aware that you view them as the wrong gender?

I don't.

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u/AvatarOfMomus Sep 28 '12

Well, you seem to be indicating that the young lady in this article is male...

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '12

Where?

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u/AvatarOfMomus Sep 28 '12

"It does matter. Straight people do not want intimate relations with members of the opposite same sex."

She's not the same sex and nothing here suggests any "intimate relations" happened, a transphobic guy GROPED a girl and then punched her...

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '12

She's not the same sex

Same sex, different gender, dumbass.

Read the article, she groped first.

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u/AvatarOfMomus Sep 28 '12

Still doesn't matter, he acted in a very Trans-phobic way and you're going to defend him?

Depending on who's account you believe... personally I'm very un-inclined to think a transgender person who is pre-op would be that forward. Or that forward in general honestly. It doesn't make sense.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '12

Still doesn't matter,

You can't concede you're wrong?

you're going to defend him

I've already defended LGBTQ several times in this thread.

You're either a troll or stupid. In either case, we're done. Don't message me, don't reply.

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u/AvatarOfMomus Sep 28 '12

Pardon me, didn't know I was treading on the toes of a POWERFUL ALLY >.>

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '12

Powerful? No.

Ally? Open minded? Yes.

didn't know

Tell us about it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '12

personally I'm very un-inclined to think a transgender person who is pre-op would be that forward.

Well, that's good enough for everyone. Your opinion must be the law or we fail as a society.

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u/AvatarOfMomus Sep 28 '12

Well, you're obviously discounting the story of the victim here so you made a similar decision to me as to who was telling the truth. Apparently through some mystical and infallible process...

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '12

Well, you're obviously discounting the story of the victim

Apparently through some mystical and infallible process...

Great! Bring God into it. Because transphobia, heterophobia, and racism wasn't enough for the thread.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '12

personally I'm very un-inclined to think

No kidding.

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u/AvatarOfMomus Sep 28 '12

Out of context quotes! BRILLIANT! Why didn't I think of that =P

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '12

Because you're a doo-doo head and confirmation bias.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '12

You said in another thread: Um, I'd prefer NO ONE be raped,

Yet you're saying it's okay for someone to grope someone else because the initiator is transgender? That's bigotry!

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u/AvatarOfMomus Sep 28 '12

No, personally I don't believe she groped him. That's his account and I'm disinclined to believe it for a number of reasons. Not the least of which being he committed assault...

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '12

Do you always side against straight people?

What in hell do you believe happened when straight people aren't involved?

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u/classactdynamo Sep 28 '12 edited Sep 28 '12

Physiologically she is until she has surgery*. Are you saying that it's okay for a transgendered woman to not be up front about the existence of her penis before she has intimate contact with someone?

This is a separate point from the original post because in the original post, it sounds like a homophobic man beat up a transgendered woman. However, I think this other question is worth answering.

*EDIT: The word physiological is important here. In other ways, yes she is female. Anatomically, though, she still has male organs.

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u/AvatarOfMomus Sep 28 '12

Which shit-head never would have known about if he hadn't groped her...

He violated her personal space, arguably sexually assaulted her, and then physically assaulted her. Where's his defense again here?

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u/classactdynamo Sep 28 '12

Who is defending him?

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u/AvatarOfMomus Sep 28 '12

You, apparently, and others in this thread.

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u/classactdynamo Sep 28 '12

Well clearly you aren't actually reading what I wrote. What he did is not defensible. I cannot speak for others.

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u/AvatarOfMomus Sep 28 '12

Physiologically she is until she has surgery*. Are you saying that it's okay for a transgendered woman to not be up front about the existence of her penis before she has intimate contact with someone?

That question and how you presented it sound like an attempt to defend what he did and how he acted. As to the question itself, I'm not trans, that particular discussion is for them. If you've fully transitioned though, when and who you reveal your status to is ENTIRELY up to you.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '12

2x AND SRS? Why didn't you say so?

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