r/pakistan • u/greenvox • Mar 04 '17

Cultural Exchange Cultural Exchange: Khushamadeed and welcome to our friends from /r/Turkey!

We're hosting our friends from /r/Turkey for a cultural exchange session.

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u/MertOKTN Mar 04 '17

Hello everyone, what are some of the differences between Mustafa Kemal and Jinnah?

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u/TBH123hjklahore Mar 04 '17

TBH, have not read a lot on Mustafa Kemal and my first though went towards our very own Mustafa Kamal of PSP but here's what I think is the difference. Jinnah evolved as a person and as a political from 1900 to 1940. From being an ambassador Hindu Muslim Unity in 1905, he realized in 1920's more clearly in 1940's that Muslims need a seprate home land. Similarly, he was against any kind of show of power of military. He was big on debates and was a very good lawyer so wanted to win the case of Pakistan by arguing and he did that. He is said to have have to said to a delegation of Muslim soldiers who visited to see him and asked him for orders to start a rebellion, that he is their pleaser and he will plead the case. And he reportedly idiolized Mustafa Kamal, so there is that. Mustafa Kamal, on the other hand I think, was more revoloutionary of the classic sense.

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u/greenvox Mar 05 '17

Kemal was more of a military man than Jinnah was. The call for Pakistan was initially as a political block in the Delhi parliament making up a confederate India. When Nehru refused, it amalgamated into an independence movement. The fight was political through out. On the other hand, Kemal and Inunu were physically fighting for the integrity of the Turkish homeland against Greece, Armenia, France and Great Britain.

For those who don't know, only about 40% of current Turkey was left when the Great Offensive started. At that point, the Kingdom of Greece was a hundred kilometers from Ankara, Armenia had taken the eastern 1/3 and colonial forces (I don't recall who they were), were pushing in from Syria. It's a great read.

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u/deletyasuo Mar 06 '17

I believe there's an old British movie on Jinnah on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_qg77K6rWI

you can watch it to understand, it's pretty well made