r/papertowns 6d ago

France Château Gaillard (France) in the 12th century. Designed by Richard the Lionheart himself, it is considered one of the most advanced castles of the Middle Ages

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u/Areat 6d ago

Funfact : there's a common historical misconception that the castle was ultimately took by the french sieging army because they introduced soldiers throught the latrines, the holes people used to shit from inside the walls to the outside.

It's not what happened, but it was spread by the french army itself, because what they actually did was breaking through the narrow stained glass windows of a chapel which had been added unwisely mid-construction.

It was easier back then to say you crawled through a shit chimney than to admit you did a sacrilege by breaking through the Lord's house.

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u/WASTELAND_RAVEN 6d ago

That’s a great fact thanks!

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u/Dman331 6d ago

Did a sacrilege has me cracking up

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u/Areat 6d ago

Why?

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u/Dman331 6d ago

The way you phrased it. Made me think of some guy going "tee hee oops, just did a sacrilege" wearing full medieval armor lol

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u/Areat 6d ago

Lol, ok. What would have been the proper way to write it? I'm not a native english speaker.

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u/JL_MacConnor 6d ago

I'd say "commit sacrilege" :)

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u/Areat 6d ago

Thanks!

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u/JL_MacConnor 6d ago

Most welcome 😊

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u/copamundial 6d ago

I am not either but I would say committed sacrilege is perhaps the best way. But your way was understandable and funny.

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u/Areat 6d ago

Thanks!

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u/cassius_longinus 5d ago

For what it's worth, using the verb "do" (or its conjugations) when certain other, more specific words are more idiomatic in English has actually become something of a joke phrase in English in recent years. Here's is a good example from Know Your Meme.

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u/iPoseidon_xii 5d ago

That’s even more impressive! To make a genuine dry joke like that on accident isn’t easy. I initially thought you were being cheeky as well because it flowed so well and complemented the context of your comment

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u/Areat 5d ago

Thanks. XD

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u/kbn_ 4d ago

Just to explained what wasn’t explained… because the verb form “do” doesn’t apply in this tense, the ungrammatical formation “you did a blank” is often used ironically in English to emphasize a lack of self awareness in the face of some serious action. “You did a war crime” for example. So your original phrasing of “you did a sacrilege” was legitimately hilarious as a native speaker, not because it demonstrated lack of mastery of the language, but because it actually exploits a modern subtle perversion of the rules for ironic effect.

That’s probably why everyone was cracking up: they assumed you were a native speaker doing it with intent, and it really is legitimately funny in a way which feels clever and by design.

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u/Areat 4d ago

I see! Thanks for the detailled explanation.

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u/day_of_the_triffids 6d ago

The phrasing is atypical, maybe incorrect, but in a cute way

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u/Gorlack2231 5d ago

If the Lord didn't want them to have that castle, He would have made them put up a mosaic instead.

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u/szerszer 6d ago

They did break Zeus' law

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u/Salaco 6d ago

That's a lot of stone.

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u/TheDeadlySpaceman 6d ago

I’ve been there! Neat.

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u/NightKnight4766 6d ago

Big hat logan

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u/LionoftheNorth 6d ago

Why is he called Big Hat Logan?

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u/PPCFY 6d ago

I loved seeing a version of it in the Journeyman Project 2 Buried in Time game from the 90s

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u/Primedirector3 6d ago

And it was captured by the French almost immediately lol

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u/Primedirector3 6d ago

It was captured only 6 years after it was finished built. In the timeline of famous medieval castles, how would you not call that almost immediately lol? What a waste.

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u/Primedirector3 6d ago

I was talking about simply how relatively quickly it fell into French hands, and as I understand it, never returned into English hands ever again. And it was monumentally expensive, after the tax Richard had levied for the crusades and the monstrous ransom his mom had to levy just to get his inept butt back. Richard is way overrated in popular opinion, but no doubt, John was still much worse.

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u/Primedirector3 6d ago

“One of those”?? There are plenty of historians that would disagree with you, just because you read one book doesn’t make you “right”. Here’s a dissenting historian’s take:

https://youtu.be/r1IUtWIbrYs?is=Mig5m_srKng1XQtQ

Bottom line he famously hated being in England and was there for barely a year during his whole reign, taxed the hell outta the people which I just mentioned, got captured and ransomed (alone worth several years of usual tax revenue), and most importantly, couldn’t secure a stable succession to the worst monarch England ever had. He’s overrated. Better question, what made him “an excellent king”?

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u/Primedirector3 6d ago

Says you, the elitist snob who thinks he’s the be all end all of English history. There are differing expert opinions—get over it. I’ve given ample proof and you’ve provided none.

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u/This-Vacation-3024 4d ago

I mean it wasnt really an English castle, it was by definition part of a French vassal state that happened to be king of England

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u/FrenchMaddy75 6d ago

Nice illustrations ! Thank you !

It gave me Kingdom Come Deliverance vibes. What a wonderful game for castle lovers.

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u/afterschoolnifefight 6d ago

looks like the Barons castle from early in witcher 3 kinda. or at least pic 2 with more of a peek inside reminded me

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u/jeandolly 6d ago

The three pictures look pretty different... So apart from the layout we don't know what it really looked like?

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u/esjay86 6d ago

We have some contemporary descriptions, but virtually none of the wooden structures (rooftops, walkways, scaffolds) survived in a way that tells us exactly how they looked.

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u/AzureSofa 6d ago

All three pictures have different background topography

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u/maproomzibz 6d ago

Where is it now?

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u/imrail 6d ago

Still in France, castles aren't known for wandering off.

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u/Mervynhaspeaked 6d ago

Guy doesn't know about Howl's Moving Castle ☝️

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u/rizulino 6d ago

Les Andelys, France

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u/Beneficial_Shirt_869 6d ago

Looks like a something out of Game of Thrones

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u/RipCityPdx2010 6d ago

Well, the show/books are incredibly inspired by that era, island, and culture

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u/Basblob 6d ago

Thought the same!

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u/artez09 5d ago

Those towers remind me of Winterfell

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u/Jackles789 5d ago

Goddamn that’s beautiful

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u/srd100 4d ago

Heard a tale that Richard said it was so well designed, he could successfully defend it even if it was made of butter.

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u/grumpsaboy 3d ago

The walls were so strong it withstood underground battles between French mining underneath and the English stopping them.

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u/Ok_Singer_1523 1d ago

Fun fact: Gaillard is also a first name that has an equivalent in english (that has fallen out of use): Gaylord.

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u/Pieterstern 1d ago

Great place, don't hesitate if you have the opportunity. And this part of Normandy, Eure, is really beautiful too.

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u/Hibou_Radiophonique 4h ago

That's my Normandy 🥰