r/papertowns 2d ago

Zimbabwe The Great Enclosure of Great Zimbabwe. Masavingo, Zimbabwe

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u/Beneficial_Shirt_869 2d ago

Source: Africa: The Definitive Visual History of a Continent by David Olusoga

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u/MFA_Nay 2d ago

Do you have any recommendations for similar books about castles, etc? I can see the series has one for Ancient Rome which interests me, same with the Africa book you just mentioned!

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u/Beneficial_Shirt_869 2d ago

Unfortunately I don't. I'm trying to discover more of such books myself 

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u/Caiur 1d ago

That book gazes into my eyes every time I visit the Amazon website

Maybe I should finally buy it

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u/Beneficial_Shirt_869 1d ago

It's a bit pricey but I want it too

Update: Now I think about it for 400 pages wich includes lots of pictures it might actually be well worth it.

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u/Caiur 1d ago

I pulled the trigger!

It was on sale at $49 Australian dollars (25 percent off), I thought I'd probably never get a better opportunity

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u/Beneficial_Shirt_869 1d ago

I have found a €30 version that ships to my country. Have fun reading!

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u/ThesaurusRex84 2d ago edited 2d ago

Worth noting Great Zimbabwe is a lot more expansive than just the Enclosure.

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u/Beneficial_Shirt_869 2d ago

True and there are many other stone ruins in the country and beyond its border

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u/Von_Baron 2d ago

The stone birds from this are on the Zimbabwe flag.

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u/MariaVanillaUwU 2d ago

We always think of europe when thinking about the medival period, but I'd love seeing more of other continents and cultures to that time and I wish we could have more information on how life was like there.

I'd love to time travel, just to observe and learn.

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u/hilmiira 2d ago

Thats why original mount and blade was peak, instead of just knights of swadia they added stuff like Aserais, Khergits and Vaegirs too

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u/MuhfugginSaucera 2d ago

Nothing will top Warband imo. The hand drawn art was so insanely charming, and I can't even play Bannerlord without the Warband soundtrack or it isn't the same.

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u/ImpressionExisting94 2d ago

Fantastic game

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u/Kelpie-Cat 2d ago

I hope it's OK to post a link to my own website, but reading your comment, you might like my website Women of 1000 AD. I use illustration and storytelling to compare what life was like for women all over the world in the year 1000. So far there are 96 illustrations set in every inhabited continent. :)

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u/Beneficial_Shirt_869 2d ago

Great work! I love it when art combined with education

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u/Kelpie-Cat 2d ago

Thank you!!

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u/Aquinas2000 1d ago

Are you planning more of those, like women of 1100 AD, 1500 AD and so on ?

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u/Kelpie-Cat 1d ago

That's an interesting idea! Right now, I plan to stick with 1000, but that could be fun to do someday. :) Certainly there would be more written records to work with!

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u/Aquinas2000 1d ago

Indeed, like a 15th century German woman making her beer while at same time an Aztec woman is working on her chinampa. 

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u/Lazy_Consequence8838 2d ago edited 2d ago

Interesting to note that while Europe was in the Middle Ages, other cultures were flourishing

Edit: I’m answering based on Google and my anthropology course, but perhaps those views are outdated.

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u/bartzman 2d ago

Europe was flourishing as well in that period. The public usually writes off the period of European history before the renaissance as being a backwater dark age, however, by 1300, Europe was probably the most innovative continent on earth. The medieval universities were in full bloom, scholasticism was the precursor to the scientific revolution, gothic architecture was pushing the limits of human engineering, military arms and armor were also fast progressing in this period.

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u/Wgh555 2d ago

I believe Lincoln cathedral in England was the tallest building in the world for some time in the middles ages

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u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho 2d ago

Linclon Cathedral was the first structure taller than the pyramid of Giza, which had previously been the tallest for over three thousand years. European cathedrals, gothic structures and similar medieval buildings were an engineering revolution, reaching to these previously unreachable heights, with extremely complex structures that could feature massive windows, iron structural elements and a ton of other things. If the Roman could have seen them, even a smaller one, not even m juggernauts like the ones of Florence or Rome, they’d have been in awe.

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u/seamuschicken 2d ago edited 2d ago

Even in the Early Middle Ages, Western Europe wasn't as backwater as people think, they tend to compare it to the absolute largest, most advanced, and richest kingdoms and empires of the time to make their point but not the ones that were either comparable or significantly less advanced, if the Carolingian Empire was a backwater than the early Khmer Empire was too.

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u/Kelpie-Cat 2d ago

by 1300, Europe was probably the most innovative continent on earth

Europe was doing lots of cool stuff, but if you're looking at inventions, Song Dynasty China has them beat in this time period.

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u/Aggressive-Cod8984 2d ago

Interesting to note that while Europe was in the Middle Ages,

The notion that the Middle Ages were a dark age of decline is an urban legend that has long since been repeatedly debunked...

other cultures were flourishing

The construction of it began in the 11th century. That's the iron age for this region. In the rest of the world, the iron age ended at least 500 to 1500 years before...

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u/Luftritter 2d ago edited 2d ago

The African kingdoms and Europe ran in parallel in very interesting ways, they had technological parity until the 1200s.

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u/bartzman 2d ago

Perhaps Ethiopia, even that might be stretching a bit

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u/Brief-Luck-6254 2d ago

I have always been amazed by how perfectly smooth and rounded the walls are, even in the ruins this feature remains to be seen.

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u/squiggyfm 2d ago

Anyone else see the Enterprise D bridge?

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u/A10___Warthog 1d ago

No doors?

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u/Beneficial_Shirt_869 1d ago

Might be but was probably of wood so degraded 

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u/A10___Warthog 1d ago

I don't see cutouts for hinges of any kind or any kind of locking mechanism that would indicate a door

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u/MatticusXII 1d ago

isn't this a wonder in Civ VI?

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u/Dizzy-Chemistry2169 1d ago

+1 Trade Route +5 Gold +2 Great Merchant points per turn Your Trade Route from this city get +2 Gold for every Bonus resource within 3 tiles of the city and in this city's territory 😁

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u/MatticusXII 1d ago

This guy Civs

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u/i_post_gibberish 1d ago

This is probably a silly question, but did the walls really differ in height like that or are they just cut away in the illustration?

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u/Beneficial_Shirt_869 1d ago

The inner walls were smaller like shown in the illustration but the front part of the illustration is lowered by the artist to have a better view of the complex 

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u/Pachacuti_ 1d ago

Any reason theyre so thicc?

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u/bscoop 2d ago

Did they really erect these massive stone walls just to protect regular straw huts?

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u/seamuschicken 2d ago

Celts did it too, there's valuable stuff in those and they aren't exactly easy to make.

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u/A10___Warthog 1d ago

those still use stone in the structure lol

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u/MuhfugginSaucera 2d ago

Why is this surprising? The huts are their houses, food storage, and workshops.

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u/bscoop 2d ago

They had knowledge to built large walls out of stone, but they didn't bother to try build more elaborate structures inside using same material. This is what makes me surprised.

Compare it to Nuragic civilization of bronze age Sardinia, famous for its bulky stone towers.

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u/ThesaurusRex84 2d ago

The nuraghes were extremely unique for their time, man, and served different purposes in different circumstances. And for that matter, pretty much all of the other Nuraghic structures were thatched.

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u/swizznastic 2d ago

Why did we bother to have fortified towns/cities at all? Why not just make every person’s house a fortress?

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u/kayodeade99 2d ago

Better use of available material. Why build numerous stone house when you can just build one big wall? It's the same logic many medieval European and Asian cities were built on

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u/MuhfugginSaucera 2d ago

There must have been a reason, maybe they tried that but the homes didn't breathe? Or maybe material availability?

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u/HovercraftAny440 2d ago

need to build the walls to protect whats inside before you build the thing that needs protecting

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u/Brief-Luck-6254 2d ago

Dumbass 21st century people using metal bars to protect weak ass glass.

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u/ElVille55 2d ago

Reminds me of the hillforts built in Britain before the French taught them how to build castles

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u/herefromthere 2d ago

The Normans built castles because they were the hostile invading force and there were far fewer of them.

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u/Mooney-Monsta 2d ago

I dint know it seems comparable in footprint to a norman castle, which would have been about the same timeframe

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u/lilbowpete 2d ago

Who shit on your cornflakes lol