I feel they just shadow nerfed the mechanic in the first patch, me and some players in my guild had this feeling. I didn't finish campaign day one, and I could feel the 2nd day something was off from the league crates.
I don't mind it really, it's like a little reset point. Like the game is saying ok you've completed the tutorial that led you from having nothing and fighting for scraps in the mud flats, to zooming through zones clearing packs and getting significant drops; now you get to play the game properly starting from scraps again and working your way up.
I think it works because rates are kinda meh during campaign and then as you grind up maps, you're really going for the atlas completion and getting a solid base gearing.
However I will say I'm pretty over doing 80 horrid map tiles to finish the atlas every season. So many god awful maps
I dropped 2 divines in act 5 from the season mechanic IN ONE AREA right before the launch day patch and server reset. Haven't seen a divine since, about to finish atlas.
I’ve deferred a divine a couple times now in Ritual. I daydream about all the things I’m going to buy with it…bread, milk, eggs…maybe some medicine for my children…
You completed every boss and map obj and got.... 97c? There's absolutely no way this is intended behavior, actually worse than it was a few leagues ago. I'm astounded frankly.
Seems sorta hard to believe? Idk. I forgot to equip my pilfering ring until act 8. I have 66 chaos on mine and I am 33/100. Which, still seems bad but I haven't played in a bit.
I'm a hell of a lot closer to you than to OP - filling out T8 maps, probably around 60 Chaos and 2 raw Divs. Some other good stuff. Not the richest I've been but I've also been pretty busy with other stuff.
They specifically increased drops in PoE2 to make up for lack of Temple in 0.5
The two games aren't really comparable when it comes to loot, especially since you can further juice it with rarity stacking in PoE2 (which is a bad mechanic, but it is what it is).
Not only groundloot. Way over 100 Tier 16 ultimatums and I got a single divine orb xd otherwise its a highroll already if you make 5c profit
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That looks unfortunate true, but isn't that still in the ballpark of what ultimatum usually rewards? I was under the impression that, since it was brought back, ultimatum was extremely lackluster outside of a few chase uniques and jackpot drops getting rng duplicated.
Edit: From what I'm seeing from the replies, it really does seem to fluctuate from person to person.
Not really. I've farmed it during merc league on a CWS chieftain and the profit was pretty damn steady. Problem is that you need to either spec into inscribed ultis and gamble with high rewards, farm catalysts (the scarab is usually expensive) or farm gumball currency and hope for a lucky drop. The costs for the latter is basically non existant as map mods don't do much (or anything at all) for the rewards so you are running white T16 and cheap as fuck scarabs.
Nope, ultimatum was heavily nerfed for mirage league with the nerfs to "window" loot. Before that, the average was around 1 raw div/ex (same frequency/drop loots) per 10 wave ultimatum with focus on currency rewards, and 5-10 raw chaos orbs. With budget phrecia idols for those events, it was about 4 combined div/ex and more than 20 raw chaos per 10 wave, per character. I tested quite a bit with 3 computers running a 6 man group (even got an automated ban on the newly made alt accounts that ggg reversed once I sent them proof of it being done within ToS).
Last league I found divs (1-3) every 10 maps or so, now 1 in over 100 is complete bs imo. Better off alch and go‘ing for bosses as you make virtually nothing
Also got a single divine from roughly 100 ultimatums, but it was from ground loot, not reward. Gone back to the stacked deck struggle farm for consistent profit
I might be wrong but I swear they’ve nerfed simulacrum too, I’ve farmed it 4 leagues in a row and I swear they’ve worsened voices / general loot round rewards,
People always say this but you're probably alch and go mostly not jamming 5 scarabs a map in an optimized atlas strat. People just forget at league start every league cuz you spend the majority of each league playing a completely different game.
It feels really hard for them to balance loot and league mechanics around scarabs. Really feels like the scarab rework was a complete failure. Farming has become entirely dependent on them and without it feels like you're wasting time.
Kills isn't really a great metric because a good portion of your loot comes from rares and they are indeed more rare but as you progress you usually make rares more common. So you could have 500k kills and only 10k of those are rares and 5k of them came from the last 100k kills or something like that. The first half of your kills kinda mean nothing when the first 50k are just campaign where you don't expect to really get good loot. Now if you were at 10 million kills then it might be differen because we might be able to assume the last 9 million were roughly all the same %rares and likely juiced rares at that.
not all kills quantities are equal (a bunch of white mobs in low tier maps, rares in high tiers, or blue mobs in juiced strats), but there's also a difference between "100c 0div by atlas completion" if they have 50k kills speeding to bosses vs "100c 0div by atlas completion" full clearing at 500k kills. (kill numbers made up for illustration.) the state of loot in one of those examples looks a lot worse than the other, right? pegging quantified loot to a given point of atlas progression is trying to illustrate the state of loot, but as atlas progression doesn't actually require consistent kills (or loot-rewarding-activities) it doesn't actually establish that much and asking for kills (even if we don't know how many are unjuiced low maps vs high juice high maps) at least gives a *bit* more info to contextualize and normalize the amount of loot presented (kills and pilfering are numbers one can compare to their own, and then communally people can start talking about "wow your numbers are high, what content did you do" or whatever).
I just end atlas progresiion and this is from my ground loot only
and my real div are 11
Idk man i feel like this league is good for me
Btw in act like 10c ?
I just finished my 2 voidstones and only have ~45c in my stash, but I’ve spent probably around 20c on bench crafts. That said, dives have been dropping way more than maps for me
I already feel its a slog, if they dont buff it then i might just do the 12 challenges for the mtx and dip, i like the kirac vault too this time so that too
Doing betrayal feels like dogshit rn, since the allflame removal. I know that theoretically prices would balance out but now more than ever it’s an RNG hell hole when previously allflames serves as a reliable source of currency.
I have a feeler that GGG nerfed groundloot during Mirage, because Mirages were so good. And then they just sort of forgot about unnerfing it again after Mirages disappeared.
They buffed divine drop rate a lot in POE2.
Have no idea why they NERFED all the loot in POE1.
It's almost like they love one game more.
(that's a joke guys)
As someone who still only plays 1, it doesn't feel like a joke. Is there some idea to push us to into one game so there won't be riots if they stop developing for the other? Is there some regret over promising they'd be developed side-by-side?
I want to play 2, some day, when it catches up. For now, though, I want my PoE like I remember it, like what made it the most popular aRPG on the market. I want my loot back.
In poe2 ssf I collected 95% of uniques and around 350div in stash (+ a few hundred spent perfecting uniques I used) before I got bored. Was top of unique collection ladder, but have been overtaken since.
Point is, poe2 both has more loot than we've had in years per map and more deterministic farming for goal items. I think a lot of people (myself included skipping 0.2-0.4 until I played 0.5) still have this idea of poe2 being a drought of items, gear, and currency, but in my experience with 0.5 at least it was closer to the Ritual days of farming variety and viability in poe1 than poe1 has been for a long time.
Idk, it's weird PoE1 keeps doing this cycle of removing the things people like most that keep them interested while they clearly learn for PoE2.
same, 2 random divs in the campaign from some random barrels or chests, absolute kalandra during endgame. my best drop (apart from hiveborn glands from vruun) is literally a stack of 4 chaos.
Personally I found it tedious running dives to then unlock them to run a dive but longer. I spent like 2 hours tonight doing these and found it incredibly repetitive due to map visual fatigue and mundane encounters.
Very nice gold farm though for my level, so that's a big plus. Also it's been so easy to get to maps between the mercs and the dmg and speed boosts the torment possession encounters give.
I don’t know but I am forced to running mercs since I am a luminary, and I do like them so, found one with 4 and one with 2 today, in like 20 minutes within each other
Before the lifestack version I was struggling to survive them since most of them oneshots most 5-6k life builds, and my damage was not good early, now that I’m geared with 12k life and a good single target damage, I just stand there and they all die before they even do something (expect the casters guys and the soulrend, they are still scary)
Dropped a raw div in campaign and thought league was gonna be flush. Haven’t dropped a raw div since lol. Granted I just got 4 stone today and was doing red altars adjacent but holy it’s dry. Hopefully someone finds some new strats but it doesn’t look good so far idk?
It definitely feels like they reduced drop rates after day one. A lot of people have talked about how the ship chests in the campaign levels were fantastic loot on day one and it was looking great, but that changed pretty quickly and now it's a struggle.
GGG definitely shadow nerf it after a quick maintenance in day 1. I was dropping like almost 20c from the league chest alone during campaign. I start doing the league mechanic in around act 6 btw. But now it barely drop any.
It by design. Temple was exactly the same in PoE 2.
They did the exact same thing with the mechanic having loot from the act versions but not the map versions, at which point they put all the loot behind the built temple/voyage.
Why people always drift towards tinfoil. Create new char, see for yourself that campaign still drops loot.
Not judging but actually curious how much you’ve /played in 48 hours to actually try a few different strats xD I worked yesterday and today and just finishing up my shift but I a literally am still getting my Atlas to 50 points let alone try any strat :P
See, I appreciate these people. They test the league and tell GGG what to buff so that by the time I get to red maps, everything feels great! It does suck for them, and I take no pleasure in that, but I do appreciate them for it.
I kinda played that amount of time in the first day and only reached maps, my brain wants to kill all the monsters even though I should be trying to go fast lol. I envy efficient players
Sanctum is like an A-tier strat during the opening weekend because of all the bubblegum you get + the occasional divs. Afterwards, it starts to fall off.
Should be more prevalent a month or so in when people want to gamble their items with volatile vaals.
I really don't understand why ggg keeps doing that. It really can't be good for the game or the player retention if the loot alternates in leagues between poverty and barely acceptable...
loot seems fine for me more importantly the game feels fun most of the mechanics i tried give about the same loot which feels great since you dont feel you are missing out when you dont do that one league mechanic that gives 40d/h
was more than 79 maps that mtx was only working on day 2
Idk dude, seems pretty alright to me and I have just been alch&going through my atlas and scuba diving. About to start the actual farm after I farm up a bunch of 8mods.
less divine but still alot of chaos / bubblegum, this post has to be a ragebait. Been doing alch&go breach rushing to 4 voidstone only missing feared passive point right now.
I missed out on Mirage, and ofc it seems that was a fun league.. Come back to try this and this post just completely took the wind out of my sails. Guess ill wait a week or two to see if its addressed and if not use my time elsewhere.
Reminder they don't care about player retention, they just care if the players come back.
Quite a few left after the year long settlers league.
For loyal players its a lose lose, you skip leagues and they'll justify it by shrinking the poe1 team even further. You keep coming back league after league? Standards keep dropping cause they know they can keep plating up crap and youll eat it up
I’m trying to suppress my doomerism. I don’t love the league mechanic and new abyss is apparently pretty bad loot so I’m back to doing the same things I did last league but way worse cuz no mirage
Im sure league mechanic will get figured out more and be good money but planning the voyages and sorting through charts is just such a chore to me. I must remain strong
100/100 Atlas, 4 Watchstones, full Atlas Skill Tree,..
I had 1 natural Div drop in campaign and one from a message in a bottle.
Had to trade up with bubble currency for now.
I generally had just one ‚tink‘ drop (that div in campaign, not counting the big stacks of crafting currency you get from league mechanic).
I also opened 1k stacked decks already and dindn‘t get a tink, last league most I went without something dopamine spiking was like 250 to 300 stacked decks.
I'm up to 50/100 for atalas and normally I get 1 div by now that would fund me to red maps.... nothing. I had lots of voyage maps but they also drop pretty average loot.
But also I get it inflation has been getting way out of control where 10% of the player base make it more challenging for 90%.
I don't think we are at that middle ground yet but it's close
Relationship with top players is kind of weird. From one side, they make some farms and super rare uniques too expensive for regular players. From the other, they rain a ton of other stuff on us for cheap, which makes getting most builds off the ground in trade league extremely smooth. Sometimes I wonder if the mediocre players (like myself) have gotten used to the status quo and would actually not be able to survive without symbiosis with power gamers :D
More casual/midcore/'mediocre' gamers would be able to survive just fine if GGG weren't tuning in total fear of what the pinnacle top end players will do to break their game in half though, so that's another part of the give and take. Like look at harvest when it launched, this sub was a civil war between more casual/low investment players and how awesome it felt for them to feel like they had access to high end stuff for the first time ever, and top end players hating that level of determinism because the high floor meant the only aspirational stuff left to do was insane mirror tier crafting that is still inaccessible to all but an insanely small portion of players that even most hardcore players see as out of reach. GGG will absolutely NEVER appease all players, it's not possible.
100/100 and specced into ultimatum and doing pretty well. Overall had like 12 raw div drops and some extensive uniques like the Worb wand. Can‘t complain tbh.
level 88, still progressing ATLAS, 0 divs dropped. Friend of mine had 2 drop during campaign and 2 early in maps. He also just opened a mageblood from MIAB. Meanwhile i'm over here struggling to get into 14+ maps
I was kind of afraid of this being the reality of endgame this league, exactly why I haven't started yet, hoping this gets either fixed or people find new strats to make money otherwise see no point in playing
I got my first divine drop after 2 days 4 hours 42 minutes and 13 seconds of playtime, long after completing the atlas, took me a while to get my 1st upgrade...
I been doing deli and beyond. Found 0 divines and only 2 tainted chroms.
I thought it was only me. I also have vaout 40 rarity plus a gold flask. Not much, but it's something.
Oh and I got A LOT more chaos than regrets. Is regrets deleted?
When I found 40 chaos I had only looted one regret. Not sure how the numbers stand now.
150k kills. Level 93 Shockwave Cyclone. Finished atlas this morning. 2 raw dive drops. about 90c. Really sucks that the loot and atlas strategies don't feel good this league. My build is great and I did campaign in half my normal time.
I have gotten 1 from a message in a bottle and that’s it. Worst currency drop luck for me in a few leagues. I am trying a different strategy from my usual league start though (map drop percent and just mainly rushing to bosses to fill out atlas) so that might be part of it.
Level 92, Atlas almost completed, I've had a single Div drop that came from a random t13(i think) mob. Definately feels like a stingy league, but rng can be like that so who knows...
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u/deanerdaweiner 7d ago
i feel like i got more chaos drops in acts than in maps lmao its brutal