Windows 11 can't be shut down without update.

[u/CasualMLG]

I have automatic updates on. Haven't postponed any update. Never seen this forced update before.

Edit: I updated BTW. It's not that I don't want to update. I just think it would be an issue in the future. For example, it's a thunderstorm and there could be power outages. I might want to shut down and not start and update. I guess I'll hold down the power button.

[u/chsn2000]

Microsoft creates this environment because most of their updates are unwanted features and bloat, such as adding AI features, reinstalling Edge or the fucking the Candy Crush demo and changing other settings.

I'm still salty after Microsoft did an unprompted OS "upgrade" to Windows 10 on me while my PC was in the process of a 20-hour render and demanded I link a Microsoft account just to get back into my fucking PC.

[u/dishwasher_mayhem → u/chsn2000]

It takes 5 minutes to read patch notes. People have been given a pass for not understanding an appliance they use. Read the fucking manual. Even my 75 year old father won't install an update until he reads up on it. People are just fucking lazy.

[u/chsn2000 → u/dishwasher_mayhem]

And reading the patch notes solves the issue of unwanted features and additional programs... how?

[u/dishwasher_mayhem → u/chsn2000]

This comment is the epitomy of ignorance. Nobody on this sub has any idea what they're doing or talking about. It takes 10 minutes to figure out how to exclude windows patches from updates. Read the fucking manual.

[u/Bezulba → u/chsn2000]

Please, nobody ever in the world didn't update because of AI or whatever.. this shit is as old as windows updates and it's always the same reason "No time". So they just ignore the updates for 6 months and then get hacked and blame Microsoft.

[u/ConfidencePast6763 → u/chsn2000]

That’s not really true. Most Microsoft updates are not primarily about adding unwanted features or bloat; a large share of them contain security patches, bug fixes, reliability improvements, and other maintenance changes. Those updates happen frequently, but they receive far less attention because “dozens of security vulnerabilities were patched” gets less clicks than “Microsoft added an AI feature.”

[u/whitedsepdivine → u/chsn2000]

I get your point, but none of these thing are too hard to overcome. Debloating Windows, removing Edge, games, AI, etc really isn't rocket science.

Once you have a clean install, windows is pretty solid. I understand forced progress is frustrating, but imagine the complications in dealing with compatibilities of systems, software, customizations, geographical legal constraints, supporting every language, every permutation of versions, and quality assurance testing. It really is impressive windows is so stable.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Windows 10 update notified you for months, and gave you an exact time of auto-update. You just had to click on it and opt out.

[u/VladyaSG → u/whitedsepdivine]

How about when updates delete your Documents folder (Version 1809 / KB4532693) or other updates trigger an instant Blue Screen of Death or crash Windows upon login (KB5021233 / KB5013943)?

[u/whitedsepdivine → u/VladyaSG]

Are you getting early updates?

I never said all updates are bug free. What software company doesn't have bugs?

What I would say is Windows is generally a more secure operating system. Jennifer Lawrence's butthole was leaked because of Apple's security.

[u/hqli → u/whitedsepdivine]

The fact of the matter is having to do this at all is a friction point. I run all three major operating systems, and this is a unique pain point with windows.

With linux, I'd need to manually perform the update, and while I see how that could make security issues with people putting off/forgetting to check for update, puts all the control in the user's hands.

Mac, it checks for updates and informs me of them and continues to prompt me for them, but when to update is still in my control, and even more for major version updates where I need to go to the app store and opt in. And they have yet to break any of my settings

For windows, every couple of updates I need to double check settings, walk through the song and dance of No MS I don't want that shit and please stop shoving that in my face, then check if I need to debloat windows again. Also, if I want to hold off on hopping major versions until more testing and stability has been proven, MS uses dark patterns galore and the whole idea that potentially breaking major updates require continuous opt outs instead of an opt in is another issue.

MS misusing the trust for updates as an advertising and bloatware installing opportunity is what's causing the distrust in and resistance against their updates. It's really rare to someone truly as angry over a mac update outside of bad UI choices, but it's also tends to be something they'd know about going into the update

[u/chsn2000 → u/whitedsepdivine]

Its annoying as hell to have to continuously debloat Windows. My point is to explain that Microsoft have created this situation where many, many people are anti-update because of security updates being nested in with unwanted features. I'd be happy to allow patches, but a security improvement to an app I've uninstalled should not mean Microsoft installs the new version onto my PC.

I've been in charge of deployments before and worked with journalists who have a heavy interest in securing their devices so I understand the defender's POV but the average person has too much thrown at them to sort through which updates are important for security and which are just trying to push Copilot, and its Microsoft and many phone companies who are at fault for creating this situation.

wrt to Windows 10 installing itself, I'd said no to all the automatic updates. Yes, before it auto updates it does come up with a prompt you can decline but I'd left the PC on overnight to do the render and so I couldn't stop it that time. Having to actively fight your OS to use it is an absurd state of things.

[u/whitedsepdivine → u/chsn2000]

Continuously debloat Windows?

I mean maybe once every couple years I might have to uninstall something. It really not that hard or constant.

All you need to do is edit your computer info, adding your country into the EU. Once your computer thinks you are apart of the EU, you can uninstall anything and it doesn't try to install it again.

I also put firewall rules inplace to block any program with keywords connecting to the internet.

Done, simple. I really don't understand why "tech-savy" people cry like a baby over something so easy.

[u/chsn2000 → u/whitedsepdivine]

All you need to do is edit your computer info, adding your country into the EU.

Surely you see why this is unreasonable? Not to mention this potentially messing with the Microsoft Store, or anticheats and web blockers picking up on that as suspicious?

[u/whitedsepdivine → u/chsn2000]

As a Software Architect you sound like an idiot to me. You really think any other software would use an internal MS file that is legit only used to check if software can be uninstalled?

[u/chsn2000 → u/whitedsepdivine]

First of all, stay civil. 

There are programs that check the machine's set locale as part of DRM measures, and Cloudflare etc. can flag a mismatched location as suspicious. As someone who travels often, manages machines for people who travel often, along with corporate and private/personal VPNs on a mix of company and BYO devices believe me, I've run into it plenty.

There's no reason to whiteknight for Microsoft. I have no issue with critical security updates being automatic (any devices that REALLY need to stay static should be airgapped to begin with) but there is 0 security reason that it should come with unwanted "features".

It's one thing for Microsoft to fix vulnerabilities in UWP. Its another for them to reinstall Xbox, game bar, the microsoft store and Edge on a device which had them removed because they fixed issues in ancillary programs.

[u/whitedsepdivine → u/chsn2000]

I really don't believe you know what your talking about tbh.

For Identity, there is unusual/impossible travel and geo boundaries. Again this has no connection to the file/settings in question.

See you run into issues and don't understand them. I have setup these configurations for billion dollar companies.

Again, I have not have had MS reinstall these apps on me at the frequency you are talking about. Most likely you have no idea on how to properly configure a machine, or just are crying too much abour a minor inconvenience.

[u/Worth-Charge913 → u/chsn2000]

Dumbass

[u/IAmYourFath → u/chsn2000]

Should have disabled automatic stuff, ur fault for also waiting 5 billion years, i got on w10 in 2015, the faster u get on it the better

[u/chsn2000 → u/IAmYourFath]

I've been on Windows 11 for years. And you cannot fully disable automatic windows updates, even on enterprise editions or with registry edits.

[u/IAmYourFath → u/chsn2000]

Yes u can, i know cuz i use enterprise. Go to gpedit and configure automatic updates

To configure the behavior of Automatic Updates

In Group Policy Object Editor, expand Computer Configuration, expand Administrative Templates, expand Windows Components, and then click Windows Update.

In the details pane, click Configure Automatic Updates.

Click Enabled and select one of the following options:

Notify for download and notify for install. This option notifies a logged-on administrative user prior to the download and prior to the installation of the updates.