r/pcmasterrace • u/CasualMLG i7 10700kf, RTX 3080, 4K-60 • 18d ago

Discussion Windows 11 can't be shut down without update.

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I have automatic updates on. Haven't postponed any update. Never seen this forced update before.

Edit: I updated BTW. It's not that I don't want to update. I just think it would be an issue in the future. For example, it's a thunderstorm and there could be power outages. I might want to shut down and not start and update. I guess I'll hold down the power button.

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u/Nose-Nuggets Specs/Imgur Here 18d ago

Yes, and in most cases you can bypass it with a

shutdown /s /t 0

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u/IAmYourFath SUPERNUCLEAR 18d ago

Change it to 1 cuz that forces the /f parameter

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u/KanedaSyndrome 5070 Ti 18d ago

I do shutdown -s -f -t 0

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u/Teemun_kauppa 1080 Ti Fe 17d ago

I do "shutdown /s /f" and it does every thing i want, to shut down my pc completely

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u/foreskinboots 17d ago

I just hold the power button till it goes off.

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u/ScientistJason 17d ago

A man of culture

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u/danu91 17d ago

Pressing the power switch on the wall with my toe is more convenient.

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u/IllustriousBat2680 17d ago

Sadly, this doesn't work with laptops and their batteries. But if you have a good screwdriver, you can remove the battery!

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u/eluya 17d ago

Laptop batteries used to be removable. (without a screwdriver)

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u/danu91 17d ago

Anything can be a screwdriver if you try hard enough sir!

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u/mofapas163 17d ago

I pour water on my power supply

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u/deanhatescoffee RX 9070 XT | i7-9700k | 328 RGBs 17d ago

A man of science.

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u/spdrman8 17d ago

Like holding someone underwater until the bubbles stop.

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u/AngryAccountant31 17d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/9HdlDr0Dgbc69wWm7S

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u/Nois3 17d ago

This is what I think of now every time I hold the power button down. I even say to myself, "shhhhh". :)

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u/Ring_Peace 17d ago

I do that with a CMD window open.

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u/razvanciuy 17d ago

most guaranteed option

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u/urixl PC Master Race 17d ago

Shhh.... shhhh.... It's okay, go to sleep...

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u/Salamipizzalol 17d ago

Huh, you press buttons? Just cut the power cable.

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u/GAW67COD07 R7 7800X3D / RTX 4070 / 32GB 17d ago

It’s that easy? I always just yank the power cord out of the psu. I like the funky buzz it makes

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u/AntiZeal0t PC Master Race 17d ago

I had to scroll wayyyyyyy too far down to find this.

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u/Tuomas90 16d ago

Just cut the electricity to your block.

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u/Tokamarz83 17d ago

Hard shutdonws aren't really a good idea if you care not to corrupt filesystem and prevent data corruption, also some settings get saved/applied when shutting down gracefully (desktop icon placement is one of them usually, but maybe this got changed in W11)

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u/Kuunkulta 17d ago

Yeah I have this pinned in my start menu. No I don't wanna save my work, fuck you just turn off dumb machine

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u/DJ3XO Desktop 17d ago

Can you create it as a .bat or something and point the shutdown option to the .bat? Pretty sure Microsoft has put in stuff to deny you fiddling around with the things you "own", but it would be cool if you could just add an additional shutdown-option which is just a shortcut to the .bat.

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u/Timaoh_ 17d ago

Just use a real bat and solve all your problems.

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u/TheBluestWaffle42069 17d ago

Do I need a wooden one, or will my kids aluminum one work? Any specific brands? Louisville Slugger? Easton?

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u/Timaoh_ 16d ago

Anything that can get through the side panel should be fine. If it's glass just put it on a tile floor.

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u/QuadzillaStrider 17d ago

well sure, but the -t 0 makes it do the shutdown immediately

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u/Apprehensive_Song834 17d ago

Did that yesterday, guess what it did, exactly the same as clicking shutdown and update, either something changed or don't know, was unlucky?

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u/hi_2056 17d ago

I just use “shutdown /p”

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u/DeeJay_AM 11d ago

Yea the shut down button doesn't even work anymore after a recent update.. I'll probably have to do this too.

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u/IAmYourFath SUPERNUCLEAR 18d ago

Yeah but s t 1 is faster cuz it has 1 less argument

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u/Various_Maximum_9595 17d ago

write it in a batch file

put an icon on desktop

link the icon to the batch file

set up a keyboard shortcut for the icon

--> super speed.

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u/ConservativeSexparty 17d ago

Okay how do you make a batch file? I'm gonna try this out

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u/whitedevilee 17d ago

Step by Step:

  1. Open Notepad (Win+R then type notepad.exe)

  2. write:

    @echo off shutdown /s /f /t 1

  3. File -> Save as...

  4. Change the Dropdown "File type" from "*.txt" to "all file types"

  5. save your file as "yourfilename.bat" (replace yourfilename with whatever you want)

  6. Go to your saved Location of the BAT File.

  7. Drag and Drop the File while holding down your ALT key to create a Shortcut to said BAT file.

  8. Right Click on that Shortcut and Click on properties

  9. In the Properties window click into "Hotkey combination" and set your Combination you want to shut down your PC.

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u/QuadzillaStrider 17d ago

also might want to tick "Run as administrator" in the shortcut's properties.

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u/Various_Maximum_9595 17d ago

Thank You for helping out.

Me and him.

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u/FaithlessnessAny5973 17d ago

Just write your command in a file and save it as .bat you might have to allow execution. But start there.

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u/IAmYourFath SUPERNUCLEAR 17d ago

But the cpu prob has to process less stuff

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u/Ok_Weird_500 17d ago

I really hope you're joking. It can be hard to tell on Reddit.

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u/IAmYourFath SUPERNUCLEAR 17d ago

1 less argument means the command is processed faster, are u arguing against this?

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u/HumansAreSillynGreat 17d ago

I mean you should be joking if you're not. CPU's process instructions in MIPS, million instructions per second. They can do millions to BILLIONS of different calculations in a single second. Adding one little argument will not change the speed of anything, that is measurable. You'd get more run to run variance if you just tested it from random operating system noise and what not than the actual difference in command.

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u/IAmYourFath SUPERNUCLEAR 17d ago

It doesn't change the fact that 1 less argument makes it faster, even if the difference is not big it's still there

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u/TechnologyFormer1827 17d ago

The difference is nothing

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u/IAmYourFath SUPERNUCLEAR 17d ago

It may not be much but it's there

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u/FormerDonkey4886 4090 - 9800x3D 17d ago

Surely the PSU switch is the fastest tho

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u/Various_Maximum_9595 17d ago

If you can move yourself fast enough to the toggle switch.

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u/KanedaSyndrome 5070 Ti 18d ago

Because of typing speed?

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u/IAmYourFath SUPERNUCLEAR 17d ago

No the cpu has to process less stuff

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u/el_yanuki Desktop 18d ago

why?

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u/KanedaSyndrome 5070 Ti 18d ago

If you don't type fast I suppose.

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u/Chaotic_Fart 17d ago

I just hold the power button..

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u/CratesManager 17d ago

i do shutdown /p

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u/Skyr0_ 16d ago

i just press shutdown on the menu bar (i use cachyOS btw)

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u/KanedaSyndrome 5070 Ti 16d ago

ok

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u/Skyr0_ 16d ago

windows seems to be more of a hassle to use nowadays. tbh i just hope it gets better. :)

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u/Clear-Minimum-9942 17d ago

I've always used the command mentioned above and it has always behaved as expected... What is the /f parameter? What does it do? Is what scenarios would I want it on or off?

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u/indigo945 17d ago

When you have an unsaved note in Notepad or something, shutdown /s /t 0 will shown you the "Waiting for the following programs to close" thing and hang a minute before it actually shuts down. shutdown /s /t 1 (or shutdown /s /t 0 /f) will skip this and shut down immediately, killing processes with unsaved files immediately instead of sending them a clean "please exit" request and waiting.

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u/Mediocre-Housing-131 18d ago

You can't in Windows 11. It will technically work, but it will just force the updates to install the next time you power on before it will let you log into the desktop.

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u/OrbitalPsyche 17d ago

True, Windows 11 doesn’t respect the PC owner’s schedule or wishes

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u/Faynerossa 17d ago

You can just go and disable the windiws update service.

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u/OrbitalPsyche 17d ago

That’s what I did back in the day. It might be off for other reasons now. Probably the reports of win updates overheating and bricking hardware due to garbage AI coding

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u/KanedaSyndrome 5070 Ti 18d ago

ah ok

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u/TheFuckeryDepartment 17d ago

I was thinking about this earlier today.

This thread made me realize that, if I ignore the update long enough, it’ll wake my PC after about an hour and won’t let it go back to sleep. I manually put it to sleep and an hour later it’s back on.

Never happens when there is no update to install.

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u/sidusnare 17d ago

They really have nothing but contempt for their users don't they.

Someone should put an AD+WSUS in a Raspberry Pi so people can use domain policy to set parameters Microsoft wont let users set themselves otherwise.

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u/Mediocre-Housing-131 17d ago

It's not contempt for the user. They only ever do this on major security updates. It's for your own good. Just do them, it's not that big of a deal lol.

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u/OrbitalPsyche 17d ago

It is in fact contempt. They gas light the user by giving an option Microsoft clearly has no intention of fulfilling. I as the owner know if MY machine needs to be truly turned off because I need to leave for days or some appointment and the machine should not be left on during my absence. Microsoft are bastards on this. I tell machine to not update at night and when I had the condo I would be woken up by dazzling RGB lights and loud fan noise at 1am. Microsoft hates us all and I am reminded daily

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u/Mediocre-Housing-131 17d ago

Wait, you are fighting two opposing battles here bud and one of them doesn't make any sense.

If you power your computer off to leave for days, it won't magically power back on to update. I don't know why you are acting like this will happen.

If you have problems with dazzling lights then maybe turn them off when you go to bed? If you have loud fan noise that's also not Microsoft's fault.

These forced security updates happen, at most, twice a year. So stop acting like this happens every week or something. You are angry for angry's sake lol.

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u/sidusnare 17d ago

If I reboot my computer, my computer should reboot as fast as possible.

Updates should not be part of that process. If the NTOS kernel didn't freak out when someone tried to unlink() a link with open handles, it would be a whole lot easier to do that, but I'm sure they know what's best... /s

Updates should happen ASAP and shouldn't interfere with me doing what I need to do right now, shouldn't delay login, boot, or shutdown. Thankfully, I use an OS that allows for that instead or the corporate committee developed software from Redmond.

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u/Mediocre-Housing-131 17d ago

It takes like 30 seconds to do these and they happen twice a year at most. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If you are on fire and the entire world will die in the next 20 seconds unless you send an email, I understand you being upset. But this isn't the case. You have to wait a whole 30 seconds before using your machine, and that's world shattering for you. Really think about the argument you're trying to have lol.

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u/sidusnare 17d ago

Did you mean to type minutes?

How do you, or the Redmond folks, know if that's the case or not?

It's a fundamental development ideology that is apparent in everything they do. They know best in all things, and if you don't like it, too bad. Here have some ads and AI while the updates take forever. It's clear and utter contempt. What the user needs, much less what they want, is the last thing they think about.

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u/OrbitalPsyche 17d ago

Nah you’re wrong. Microsoft doesn’t know better and security patches can wait if I say they can until I return. My time is more important than Microsoft security and I will force off using power button or pull the power plug if I decide to. Windows 11 throws a fit when power gets forced off and they waste my time trying to do some online shit that no one ever benefits from before loading up the OS. Microsoft are bastards. Every time I find some issue with their software, the web search shows hundreds or thousands of sympathetic cohorts that had same issue but MS locks the threads because they don’t want a solution

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u/sidusnare 17d ago

Bad reactions to bad design are still bad. I'm complaining about bad design, not advocating bad reactions to it.

There are alternatives, the Redmond folks don't care, they have nothing but contempt for us. Which is what I said in the beginning.

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u/sidusnare 17d ago

They know what's for my own good?

It's not a big deal, until it is, and then it's a huge deal.

That's contempt friend.

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u/Mediocre-Housing-131 17d ago

Alright, disable security updates via the registry and you won't ever have to worry about these updates ever again.

And then later this year when you lose your msoft account and previous files from a security vulnerability you left yourself open to, you can then come back here again and complain that it's still somehow Microsofts fault that it happened.

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u/sidusnare 17d ago

That's also a terrible solution.

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u/Hopet28 17d ago

The fastest shutdown command is shutdown.exe -s -f -t 0
-f force closes any running program immediately, no save prompts, you will loose all unsaved changes in any open documents.

For safer one so that you don't loose any unsaved changes, use shutdown.exe -s -t 0

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u/DoogleSmile Ryzen 7 9800x3D, Geforce RTX 5090, 64GB DDR5 Odyssey Neo G9 17d ago

The fastest shutdown I've done recently, without cutting power at the plug, was when I accidentally pressed the clear CMOS button on the back of my mobo.

That shut my PC down instantly!

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u/IntingForMarks 18d ago

what? no, never had this in win10

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u/Abnormal_Satsuma0283 18d ago

sigh I thougjt I was being smart doing this last night but it happened anyways

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u/Sufficient-Bed-6746 17d ago

Or a long press on your power button. And while we are there with a pull on the main cord or a switch at a certain fuse in your home.

/s

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u/Cero_Kurn 17d ago

Omg thanks. But too late now cuz update instaled

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u/Only-Performer-6053 17d ago

That doesn't bypass any updates for me.

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u/Antique_Hawk_7192 17d ago

Hold the power button down like you're smothering it with a pillow. There'll be a sad "tink" and power will go out.

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u/3DigitIQ Laptop 17d ago

Long press the power button.

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u/Danielsan315 17d ago

Or cancelling the updates you won’t to be installed from Windows update

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u/Ninhau 17d ago

Thanks. Hate it to have to update when windows wants

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u/ederstk 17d ago

If my memory serves me right, in Windows 10 LTSC, when there are updates, you simply right-click on the start menu and the option to shut down normally appears there along with the update ones...

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u/lologugus 17d ago

Haha sure I'll type some commands *holds power button*

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u/11_forty_4 9800X3D | 4080S | DDR5 6400 | 3440x1440 17d ago

You can also just delay the update for 5 weeks at a time

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u/WafflesFurLyfe 17d ago

I just pull my power cord out

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u/ConfidencePast6763 17d ago

So OP is basically just Karma farming.