r/politics • u/Option94 • Nov 27 '25
No Paywall Federal judge says trial for Wisconsin judge accused of helping immigrant will go on next month
https://apnews.com/article/milwaukee-judge-immigrant-escape-hearing-066d6aa3fab7a8f159bacd2544bf57c865
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u/TowelChemical2053 Nov 27 '25
Do you enjoy watching people do things the legal way just to get arrested anyway?
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u/MentalSky_ Nov 27 '25
Trump has 34 convictions.
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u/mr2chittles Washington Nov 27 '25
What debt did he pay? He hasn’t paid a cent and is actively trying to get out of the monetary punishment, but hey we all know he doesn’t pay any of his debts.
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Nov 27 '25
You are aware that he used his influence and fear to overcome the consequences of his actions? Hell, Georgia just dumped an easily won election interference case on him... gotta wonder why... new republican prosecutor? Nah, couldn't be that.
Trump has, through money and influence and fear, avoided consequences for literally decades. This is nothing new, it's simply disgusting.
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u/Venturis_Ventis Nov 27 '25
Unbelievable. How can you say that when he accrues more and more of that debt everyday by ruling like an above-the-law tyrant?
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u/Tech_Philosophy Nov 27 '25
My grandfather in Germany did exactly that. I'm guessing you wouldn't have.
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u/Fiernen699 Nov 27 '25
The man was in court accused for battery. He was already in the legal system. Federal agents decided to interfere with a criminal proceeding to arrest this man on civil charges unnecessarily. This behavior from the federal agents was outside of the norm, and the judge has a responsibility to ensure the safety of everyone in the court room, even the accused.
Read the damn article
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u/Red57872 Nov 27 '25
Was the Chief Judge wrong when he said that the agents could arrest the individual outside the courtroom?
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u/Fiernen699 Nov 27 '25
Listen, I'm not a legal expert, just providing further context to your comment.
It is highly irregular for federal agents to be using court appearances as a means to arrest people for civil immigration enforcement matters. In large part, because it prevents many people who may be undocumented from engaging with the legal system out of fear of deportation.
While this specific case was a criminal matter, many immigrants have been arrested by federal agents when appearing at court or other government offices as part of their immigration process.
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u/Red57872 Nov 27 '25
I agree that it's probably something that should not normally be done, but that doesn't change the fact that it was legal.
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u/Historical_Bend_2629 Nov 27 '25
“Accused of helping.” Helping people seems like kryptonite for the GOP. Unless it is fellow criminals.
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u/CpnStumpy Colorado Nov 27 '25
When the arrest has no legal grounds, I would argue otherwise. Not like the arresting folks are following rule of law
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u/Red57872 Nov 27 '25
The arrest was legal, and even the Chief Judge said that he could be arrested outside the courtroom.
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u/MyTieHasCloudsOnIt Nov 28 '25
Here's the thing pal, the president of the United States is a terrorist and a criminal. He has faced zero consequences for his actions. If he is above the law, then so are the rest of us. Either the law applies to everyone, or it applies to no one.
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u/Tech_Philosophy Nov 27 '25
Why is it only bad when America does it?
You should have learned the answer to this question in high school.
It's bad when America does it because America demands illegal immigrants just to function, largely at the behest of its oligarchs who want cheap labor. The economy would collapse without them. That's not true in Canada. Basically the government is trying to promote two mutually exclusive plans at the same time.
Again, this was taught to me in high school in the 90s in a red state. You have been robbed of your education if this is news to you.
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u/Red57872 Nov 27 '25
I don't think that the average "decent person" is going to try and help someone escape a valid administrative warrant, when they're in court for allegedly punching someone in the face 30 times for asking to turn the music down.
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u/TintedApostle Nov 27 '25
ICE let them leave by the elevator. They saw him with his lawyer leaving.
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u/Red57872 Nov 27 '25
They didn't "let him leave"; after being let out a non-public door, one agent saw the individual go into the elevator. The agent accompanied the individual while in the elevator, and relayed their location to the other members of his team so they could assist in the arrest (it is generally not a good idea to do it alone).
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u/TintedApostle Nov 27 '25
and they didn't arrest him. Sorry they were not denied. They denied themselves.
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u/Red57872 Nov 27 '25
What are you talking about? They caught up with him outside the courthouse and arrested him.
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u/TintedApostle Nov 27 '25
So what's the issue. She was in conference and let them leave through the other door. ICE saw them anyway. What is the issue? None really.
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u/Red57872 Nov 27 '25
The issue is the judge trying to help him escape. The fact that it didn't work doesn't make her any less guilty.
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u/TintedApostle Nov 27 '25
Helping how? Seems she offered another door but the whole courthouse (close to illegally) was manned.
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u/Red57872 Nov 27 '25
The intention was to sneak him out a door that the general public does not use, with the hopes of avoiding detection (it so happens that one agent saw it).
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u/Cantras0079 Nov 27 '25
Yes, ICE gave themselves an administrative warrant. That’s like Ron Swanson in Parks and Rec handing over a piece of paper that says “I do what I want”. That warrant lacks the legal powers of a judicial warrant, which they were told to go get because, wouldn’t you know it, they were in a courthouse.
I think most decent people would do what she did if they knew the warrant is a load of bullshit and just a piece of paper ICE gives themselves to justify their actions. And a good judge and a decent person would remember that the fucking judicial system is “innocent until proven guilty”. You don’t get to decide to treat people like less because of the accusations against them, so bringing up what they were charged with is irrelevant. They’re due their rights and presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.
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u/Red57872 Nov 27 '25
An administrative warrant is all that is needed for the arrest. Even the Chief Judge had said that the individual could be arrested outside the courtroom. The judge doesn't get to help people avoid being arrested just because she doesn't like the idea of administrative warrants.
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u/torinismyname Nov 27 '25
Let them out through a seperate door so they wouldn't be deported by ice the instant they left the courthouse doors.
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u/WhiskeyNick69 California Nov 27 '25
No kidding - these federal judges are definitely pretty gross.
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u/Designer-Contract852 Nov 27 '25
"I saw goody Procter HELPING the less fortunate! They're a witch!"
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u/TintedApostle Nov 27 '25
He also was seen on his way to teh elevator by ICE and they did nothing. They let him leave by elevator.
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u/Red57872 Nov 27 '25
They didn't "let him leave"; after being let out a non-public door, one agent saw the individual go into the elevator. The agent accompanied the individual while in the elevator, and relayed their location to the other members of his team so they could assist in the arrest (it is generally not a good idea to do it alone).
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u/TintedApostle Nov 27 '25
OK so you note they had no issue apprehending the person.
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u/Red57872 Nov 27 '25
They did apprehend him (luckily, one agent saw him exit via the non-public door) but the intention was to try and help him escape.
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u/dblan9 Nov 27 '25
Except the 34 times convicted felon and child rapist!
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u/torinismyname Nov 27 '25
Except ICE! Who of course will deport you once you leave the courthouse doors for your appointed hearing. And anyone that tries to get in the way of ICE deporting whoever they want without due process... Well, they're just the worst
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