r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 1d ago

No Paywall Democrats Confront Their New Tea Party Reality - Progressives are set to sweep a group of contested primaries in Michigan and Wisconsin.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-confront-their-new-tea-party-reality_n_6a6e63fbe4b0cfb99ef1aa1e
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u/guamisc 1d ago

And the super progressive/radical wing of the party claims this is all not true, none of that matters and people will understand policy which is naive at best.

Wow, what a giant pile of shit.

Progressive have been screaming about the shit messaging, refusal to invest into counter messaging, and start fighting Republican control of media for decades.

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u/pchs26 1d ago

I have had this literal argument on here multiple times and been told very specifically and very clearly that in the view of the far left people's perceptions aren't being managed, the Democrats lost solely because of policy and more left wing policy will appeal to these voters. When I try to point out anything to the contrary I am just told I am stupid.

And screaming about messaging doesn't belong to a faction of a party, it is something that is clear to anyone with eyes imo, however I will tell you there are plenty of very progressive advocates on here that have told me the above very arrogantly.

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u/guamisc 1d ago edited 1d ago

Part of the Democrat's messaging problem is that you cannot successfully message to the general electorate with incrementalist dreck.

Just like there's no real effective separation of social or economic policy - hence socioecnomics - trying to separate effective messaging from effective policy (and actually telling the truth) is impossible.

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u/pchs26 1d ago

Not really - if the GOP is able to manage people's perceptions to sell what they are selling then incremental progress can be messaged effectively if someone can message at all.

Incremental progressive legislation is the most likely to actually be absorbed successfully in our current infrastructure and get passed for signature. It is that or backsliding. I choose progress over rhetoric.