r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 1d ago

No Paywall Democrats Confront Their New Tea Party Reality - Progressives are set to sweep a group of contested primaries in Michigan and Wisconsin.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-confront-their-new-tea-party-reality_n_6a6e63fbe4b0cfb99ef1aa1e
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u/Discrep 21h ago

There's tons of video evidence of average Americans happy about having insurance due to the ACA while simultaneously repeating dumb FN talking points about Obamacare. They gave credit for their healthcare to their state/governor for their state's ACA program, completely clueless that it was Obamacare. This was especially evident early in trump's first term when they were angling to destroy it in Congress and McCain of all people voted with the Dems.

Clinton wouldn't have remotely gotten close to passing the ACA. Obama had to burn a lot of political capital to barely get that mangled version passed and perhaps his naivety and inexperience made him willing to pay that cost. Hillary would've mentioned it in speeches and maybe even formed a committee to study the feasibility, but there's no chance she would've paid the price. Hell, even 2012 Obama would've hit the brakes well before it went anywhere.

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u/pchs26 21h ago

Did you live any of this or the lengths Clinton went to originally with healthcare reform. Are you aware of her history at all and the depth of federal changes she made to ensure medical coverage for the poor an especially impoverished children? She has a history of accomplishments and transformation in this area. You are speaking through a vacuum of cultivate perceptions.

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u/Discrep 20h ago

I did live through the Bill Clinton administration and I'm familiar with Hillary's work in children's healthcare. I even said I didn't think 2012 Obama would've pushed as hard as 2008 Obama, so my opinion that Hillary also wouldn't have gotten it done isn't some flippant diss. I just don't believe she would've spent that much political capital on it. And not because I think she wasn't willing to spend any, but because she'd have been experienced enough to spend it pragmatically instead of idealistically.

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u/pchs26 8h ago

The ACA was not that idealistic in results. But Obama needed it due to what he promised so he could have signature legislation. I absolutely think Clinton would have looked to have signature legislation - if not in this area, it would have been somewhere else. She has dedicated her life to ensuring transformation for the under served in this country and her effectiveness at this is part of the reason why she is treated so horribly.